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On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
You should be happy Bling won, people will complain anyway. 
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On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement.
LR threads are pretty bad but still not as bad as stream chat which still isn't as bad as Youtube comments which are still not as bad as Facebook. Probably needs 4chan in there too.
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tbh i think tvz is harder then tvp coz of the ghost snipe nerf lol and bling had epic battles where he won, whereas demuslim failed in his micro and kept losing shit for no reason.
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omg the break inbetween is killing me
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On March 19 2012 03:31 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:29 Huragius wrote:On March 19 2012 03:23 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:19 Huragius wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf. EmpireHappy.. used it vs MaNa, Socke, HasuObs and tons of other very good Protoss players. Yes and I saw those games. All they did were turtling, while letting Happy mass expand, sack SCVs/Marines/Marauders and get huge supply of ghosts. None of them went for the timing right before it to kill Happy, which would be pretty much unstoppable with proper gateway resupply. Its because Terran is so in the head of Protoss. If you get out on the map, you risk to lose straight away vs a good Terran. You often see, even in progames Protoss backing out even with an insanely superior army, just because they are afraid. If you slowly add ghosts the style works out, not always, but often. If there would be actually Terrans aiming for lategame without sacrifice of their economy and throwing minerals at Protoss, there would actually be players with experience in late game and entering late-game on even ground. Ofcourse if you did send out 40 drops through the game without dealing damage always losing them or basically just killing a few probes, you will end up being behind and not even the best player will come back from a huge disadvantage, but if you work on building it up just like he builds his forces up, ... try it out.
Mhm, it's a good (if not the best style, maybe mass thors/ghosts could be better) and I always try to use it late game. But most of the time with proper protoss scouting and decision making I get killed before I get the mass ghosts army. Mass ghosts is the only thing I would aim at TvP late game after Thor nerf.
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On March 19 2012 03:35 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement. LR threads are pretty bad but still not as bad as stream chat which still isn't as bad as Youtube comments which are still not as bad as Facebook.
And precisely where does Reddit fit in here?
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On March 19 2012 03:35 0ne wrote:
Balance whine overwhelming. Bring the ban hammer!
I didn't see anybody getting banned for whining in a lr thread in a while
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On March 19 2012 03:35 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement. LR threads are pretty bad but still not as bad as stream chat which still isn't as bad as Youtube comments which are still not as bad as Facebook. Probably needs 4chan in there too.
This is true, of all the bad/out of coutrol things TL LR threads are definitely by far the best lol
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In the spirit of getting back on track: Go go bling vs korean! We believe in you!
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On March 19 2012 03:35 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement. LR threads are pretty bad but still not as bad as stream chat which still isn't as bad as Youtube comments which are still not as bad as Facebook. Probably needs 4chan in there too.
ok you got that point :p
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On March 19 2012 03:35 Kevan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement. LR threads are pretty bad but still not as bad as stream chat which still isn't as bad as Youtube comments which are still not as bad as Facebook. Probably needs 4chan in there too.
My friend, you are forgetting the worst place of them all: bnet forums!
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On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM
protoss is actually pretty bullshit. 25m ago
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On March 19 2012 03:36 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:35 0ne wrote:
Balance whine overwhelming. Bring the ban hammer! I didn't see anybody getting banned for whining in a lr thread in a while
Me either, I expect the mods to be preparing a mass banning to all the whiners :-p
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On March 19 2012 03:35 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:32 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:25 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:24 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Against High Level protoss players, you shouldn't win in lategame unless they make a huge mistake, or get a horrible trade and can't remax instantly with their bank. If you watch how Korean terrans play TvP, their view on the matchup is pretty much end in the early-mid game, If it goes into the late game more than likely you've lost. Find me a Pro replay of a Terran going mass ghost, sure it could be explored.. but it's just not viable unless there are changes to the cost/supply of ghost and their overall attributes. EmpireHappy, go find replays yourself. to name you one. EmpireHappy vs CreatorPrime -> Terminus. Huge macro game. Ghosts fucked Creator badly and you don't want to argue that Creator is bad in PvT, do you? Before ghost nerf that game was played -_-, im pretty sure I know what both Kas and Happy think about TvP since im in team with them. Ghost deal enourmous amounts of damage to light units (zealot) which is what Protoss does remax with usually. They can nullify shields of all units and with the count you got, you can make colossi shields, archon shields all evaporate in a second. Please Beastyqt, you are good enough to know that I'm not just calling bullshit here. Its viable even if its hard to get there. Happy snipes left over zealots, but usually didn't snipe while fighting the main engagement. He still uses that style as well... so-_-
Im not denying 30 ghosts and 16 vikings and some rines would be sick vs protoss army, BUT thats like saying why doesnt protoss make 20 archons, 6 colossus, 10 hts with storm and 15 immortals? Its too expencive and its possible ONLY on maps that you can split map or defend your main base from your 4-5th base like terminus/shakuras, otherwise you will be picked apart 
200/200 Mech with tanks and ghosts is pretty sick too vs toss I wont lie, but try getting there.
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was bitter a big time BW player?
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After Bling vs Heaven I am getting a bit conflicted with whom to root for. I want all of them to win :D .
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On March 19 2012 03:36 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:35 0ne wrote:
Balance whine overwhelming. Bring the ban hammer! I didn't see anybody getting banned for whining in a lr thread in a while
I got banned for whining about mules on Assembly -_-
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Hey Naruto, can you give me that ghost TvP replay? It seems good as an idea, but i wonder how will it fare against a protoss who is agressive.
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On March 19 2012 03:37 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:35 Kevan wrote:On March 19 2012 03:34 PaterPatriae wrote:On March 19 2012 03:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:
This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today. O.O unusually? live threads are a mess every tournement. LR threads are pretty bad but still not as bad as stream chat which still isn't as bad as Youtube comments which are still not as bad as Facebook. Probably needs 4chan in there too. My friend, you are forgetting the worst place of them all: bnet forums!
Yeah, those forums are worse than everything.
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On March 19 2012 03:38 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:35 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:32 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:25 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:24 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:
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Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much.
It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Against High Level protoss players, you shouldn't win in lategame unless they make a huge mistake, or get a horrible trade and can't remax instantly with their bank. If you watch how Korean terrans play TvP, their view on the matchup is pretty much end in the early-mid game, If it goes into the late game more than likely you've lost. Find me a Pro replay of a Terran going mass ghost, sure it could be explored.. but it's just not viable unless there are changes to the cost/supply of ghost and their overall attributes. EmpireHappy, go find replays yourself. to name you one. EmpireHappy vs CreatorPrime -> Terminus. Huge macro game. Ghosts fucked Creator badly and you don't want to argue that Creator is bad in PvT, do you? Before ghost nerf that game was played -_-, im pretty sure I know what both Kas and Happy think about TvP since im in team with them. Ghost deal enourmous amounts of damage to light units (zealot) which is what Protoss does remax with usually. They can nullify shields of all units and with the count you got, you can make colossi shields, archon shields all evaporate in a second. Please Beastyqt, you are good enough to know that I'm not just calling bullshit here. Its viable even if its hard to get there. Happy snipes left over zealots, but usually didn't snipe while fighting the main engagement. He still uses that style as well... so-_- Im not denying 30 ghosts and 16 vikings and some rines would be sick vs protoss army, BUT thats like saying why doesnt protoss make 20 archons, 6 colossus, 10 hts with storm and 15 immortals? Its too expencive and its possible ONLY on maps that you can split map or defend your main base from your 4-5th base like terminus/shakuras, otherwise you will be picked apart 200/200 Mech with tanks and ghosts is pretty sick too vs toss I wont lie, but try getting there.
I am 100% with you that its very hard and not viable any map, yet... what can we do ;-)! Need to get there!
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