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On March 19 2012 03:27 Rassy wrote:
stephano beat polt, then polt loose to violet and z vs z final stephano-violet, violet win.
Not what i am hoping for,(want polt to win) but what i am thinking.
Na, i think it will be polt stephano in wb finals and in overall finals, dno who wins, stephano played better than at assembly.
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On March 19 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard this recently. For EVERY Terran TvP is their worst and for EVERY Protoss PvT is their best. Stop citing crap like that like it matters... All the Terrans that used to be known for good TvP (JJakJi, PumA, Demuslim, etc.) are mediocre at best now in PvT.
DeMusliM has said himself that it is his worst matchup. He's said numerous times on stream that he doesn't understand it quite as well as he does the other two.
I'm really not trying to take anything away from Bling here. He played fantastically. I'm just saying it's really not fair to compare the two players considering they play different races and have different strengths and weaknesses.
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wtf is that stephano happy birthday video ? :D
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Who is playing next? Heavens and Grubby?
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On March 19 2012 03:26 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:24 KalWarkov wrote:On March 19 2012 03:22 Supah wrote:On March 19 2012 03:20 KalWarkov wrote:On March 19 2012 03:18 Dfgj wrote:On March 19 2012 03:18 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that. Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms. Yeah that was really sloppy from Demuslim, no kiting at all :/ true, he wasnt kiting that 1 fight - but he had to watch everything else, viking positiong, ghosts, keep building stuff etc. what does the protoss do? a click, guardian shield, storm. thats the problem about chargelots - they dont require any actions and you cant do mistakes with them - u just let them run into the terran army More like he only kited in one fight. Do you really think that's all Protoss has to do? yes, and i play it on a fairly decent level. its different in PvZ, you ahve to care about runbys, there is possiblty of mutas, you have to forcefield well - but in PvT you basically just a click and storm, thats pretty sad. why even bother typing stuff everyone knows simply isnt true
What did he say that isn't true...? wtf?
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Next level subliminal shit right there
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wtf happend there hahaha?
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This fucking balance whining is insufferable. Hey BlinG beats Demuslim AGAIN, must be Protoss rite?
TL is unusually grumpy today.
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What the hell was that happy birthday video that came up during the trailers? Did anyone else see it?
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On March 19 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard this recently. For EVERY Terran TvP is their worst and for EVERY Protoss PvT is their best. Stop citing crap like that like it matters... All the Terrans that used to be known for good TvP (JJakJi, PumA, Demuslim, etc.) are mediocre at best now in TvP.
Bomber, Polt etc still have higher vP ELO than their total average ELO.
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On March 19 2012 03:21 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:20 sharktopus. wrote:
I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened? it was a weird post match interview where they put the replay on the main screen and told destiny what he could have done better pretty much. not sure if he's serious but that's what happened
I don't think he was trolling. That was some pretty fucked up shit and his right to be mad (which I think he actually is?).
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Can we not turn even this LR thread into a TvP whine thread? I'd rather enjoy games and read people's comments on game play than about balance... take it to the "where did all the terrans go? thread... that place is out of hand
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On March 19 2012 03:21 iNcontroL wrote:
Mods plz check posting history of sventeen and perseverance -- both are player bashing for 2 days straight now. Can you guys plz make tl a bit less hostile. Criticism? Great, calling out my life in every way? Maybe not
Im sorry these trolls are doing this to you....keep up ghe good work! Not everybody can 2-0 a top tier korean! Ur a strong, beautiful, powerful protoss who dont need no trolls!
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On March 19 2012 03:28 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:23 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:19 Huragius wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf. EmpireHappy.. used it vs MaNa, Socke, HasuObs and tons of other very good Protoss players. even vs creator prime and it worked. its true... but i still think the opponents he faced didnt adjust well enough, you have to stop building any templar/archon and just build huge gateway armys with many observers and 3-4 colossus imo vs that style
Gotta love the theorycrafters @ TL. 
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Damnit I had to go to the dentist.....who the hell is Heavens and how did he beat SeleCT and inControl? Legit?
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On March 19 2012 03:30 Deleuze wrote:
What the hell was that happy birthday video that came up during the trailers? Did anyone else see it?
was that stephano? whatched it from the couch
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On March 19 2012 03:29 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:23 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:19 Huragius wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf. EmpireHappy.. used it vs MaNa, Socke, HasuObs and tons of other very good Protoss players. Yes and I saw those games. All they did were turtling, while letting Happy mass expand, sack SCVs/Marines/Marauders and get huge supply of ghosts. None of them went for the timing right before it to kill Happy, which would be pretty much unstoppable with proper gateway resupply.
Its because Terran is so in the head of Protoss. If you get out on the map, you risk to lose straight away vs a good Terran. You often see, even in progames Protoss backing out even with an insanely superior army, just because they are afraid. If you slowly add ghosts the style works out, not always, but often.
If there would be actually Terrans aiming for lategame without sacrifice of their economy and throwing minerals at Protoss, there would actually be players with experience in late game and entering late-game on even ground. Ofcourse if you did send out 40 drops through the game without dealing damage always losing them or basically just killing a few probes, you will end up being behind and not even the best player will come back from a huge disadvantage, but if you work on building it up just like he builds his forces up, ... try it out.
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On March 19 2012 03:30 d00p wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:21 zomgE wrote:On March 19 2012 03:20 sharktopus. wrote:
I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened? it was a weird post match interview where they put the replay on the main screen and told destiny what he could have done better pretty much. not sure if he's serious but that's what happened I don't think he was trolling. That was some pretty fucked up shit and his right to be mad (which I think he actually is?).
Oh so true!!!
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On March 19 2012 03:29 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:27 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's I wish I had a nickel for every time I've heard this recently. For EVERY Terran TvP is their worst and for EVERY Protoss PvT is their best. Stop citing crap like that like it matters... All the Terrans that used to be known for good TvP (JJakJi, PumA, Demuslim, etc.) are mediocre at best now in PvT. DeMusliM has said himself that it is his worst matchup. He's said numerous times on stream that he doesn't understand it quite as well as he does the other two. I'm really not trying to take anything away from Bling here. He played fantastically. I'm just saying it's really not fair to compare the two players considering they play different races and have different strengths and weaknesses.
I understand that, but TvP is the worst matchup for EVERY terran now, it's not relevant to say oh, this guy is not strong in TvP, that's why he lost. EVERY terran is weak in TvP.
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