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On March 19 2012 03:18 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- True 
Hmmm... I don't know if it's so much of balance as terrans lagging behind in the metagame. Terran have been using the same bio style against Protoss for months now. Whereas protoss have incorporated zealot/archon, quick double forge, warp prism, etc. I think the current bio style is just not up to snuff vs your typical protoss death ball.
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Mods plz check posting history of sventeen and perseverance -- both are player bashing for 2 days straight now. Can you guys plz make tl a bit less hostile. Criticism? Great, calling out my life in every way? Maybe not
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Imagine if all the time that people spend whining about the game would be spent practicing. Everyone bonjwa.
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On March 19 2012 03:21 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:20 sharktopus. wrote:
I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened? he is trolling.
Ok, I figured that was the case but wasn't sure. Thanks!
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On March 19 2012 03:20 DISHU wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 0ne wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 DISHU wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt?  Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit. he seems to moan a lot broken mindset really sad big fan of him but his attitude is a let down. Sjow tvp is solid he should looka t him a bit more often. Why would you ever look at Sjow's TvP having Puma on your team? puma's tvp relies more on his mechanics that sjows . so it would be easer for him to see the stuff sjow does as he makes more smart plays compared to puma's mechnics which are harder to copy.
Puma has great army control too. Constantly kiting, great viking control, uses his ghost very well. Thing of beauty.
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This tournament is weird, cause we already know Polt will win it. Stephano 2nd so the big questions are 3rd and 4th I guess. White Ra needs to win something so I hope it's him.
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On March 19 2012 03:20 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:18 Dfgj wrote:On March 19 2012 03:18 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that. Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms. Yeah that was really sloppy from Demuslim, no kiting at all :/ true, he wasnt kiting that 1 fight - but he had to watch everything else, viking positiong, ghosts, keep building stuff etc. what does the protoss do? a click, guardian shield, storm. thats the problem about chargelots - they dont require any actions and you cant do mistakes with them - u just let them run into the terran army
More like he only kited in one fight. Do you really think that's all Protoss has to do?
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On March 19 2012 03:21 Benjamin80 wrote:
Plz stop with the balance crap. Pleanty of good terrans beat protoss players all the time. Bling is just the better player. Just becuase he isnt as popular as Demuslim doesnt mean you have to shit on his achievements!
I don't know that he's proven he is a better player, but he is better in that matchup.
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lets now see how bling fairs against sleeep, who has lost to incontrol before.
compare demuslim TvZ with bling PvZ. u cannot say bling is the better player just because he wins when they meet - blings best mu is PvT, demuslims worst TvP (which is simply because of protoss imbalance in PvT lategame, but lets leave that whine for now)
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On March 19 2012 03:19 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf.
EmpireHappy.. used it vs MaNa, Socke, HasuObs and tons of other very good Protoss players.
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On March 19 2012 03:18 MVTaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP . Which is why Polt beats Stephano EZ and loses to BlinG 2-0. Yeah.
good enough to beat hero
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On March 19 2012 03:22 Kevan wrote:
Imagine if all the time that people spend whining about the game would be spent practicing. Everyone bonjwa.
Write some whining posts doesn't really cut a lot of practice time
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On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able.
Against High Level protoss players, you shouldn't win in lategame unless they make a huge mistake, or get a horrible trade and can't remax instantly with their bank.
If you watch how Korean terrans play TvP, their view on the matchup is pretty much end in the early-mid game, If it goes into the late game more than likely you've lost. Find me a Pro replay of a Terran going mass ghost, sure it could be explored.. but it's just not viable unless there are changes to the cost/supply of ghost and their overall attributes.
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On March 19 2012 03:22 ceaRshaf wrote:
This tournament is weird, cause we already know Polt will win it. Stephano 2nd so the big questions are 3rd and 4th I guess. White Ra needs to win something so I hope it's him.
There's always room for an upset!
That's why I'm watching at least...
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On March 19 2012 03:20 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:18 Dfgj wrote:On March 19 2012 03:18 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that. Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms. Yeah that was really sloppy from Demuslim, no kiting at all :/ true, he wasnt kiting that 1 fight - but he had to watch everything else, viking positiong, ghosts, keep building stuff etc. what does the protoss do? a click, guardian shield, storm. thats the problem about chargelots - they dont require any actions and you cant do mistakes with them - u just let them run into the terran army
If your units have a massive mechanical advantage over melee units, you can't not use it and expect to be on par.
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On March 19 2012 03:21 iNcontroL wrote:
Mods plz check posting history of sventeen and perseverance -- both are player bashing for 2 days straight now. Can you guys plz make tl a bit less hostile. Criticism? Great, calling out my life in every way? Maybe not
you should take it to a PM to make sure mods get the message, it could get burried in this LR thread
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On March 19 2012 03:22 Supah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:20 KalWarkov wrote:On March 19 2012 03:18 Dfgj wrote:On March 19 2012 03:18 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that. Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms. Yeah that was really sloppy from Demuslim, no kiting at all :/ true, he wasnt kiting that 1 fight - but he had to watch everything else, viking positiong, ghosts, keep building stuff etc. what does the protoss do? a click, guardian shield, storm. thats the problem about chargelots - they dont require any actions and you cant do mistakes with them - u just let them run into the terran army More like he only kited in one fight. Do you really think that's all Protoss has to do?
yes, and i play it on a fairly decent level. its different in PvZ, you ahve to care about runbys, there is possiblty of mutas, you have to forcefield well - but in PvT you basically just a click and storm, thats pretty sad.
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On March 19 2012 03:22 ceaRshaf wrote:
This tournament is weird, cause we already know Polt will win it. Stephano 2nd so the big questions are 3rd and 4th I guess. White Ra needs to win something so I hope it's him.
Violet might still win the entire thing.
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Way too much downtime, meh. They need some video summing up earlier matches they can cut to, or even just a crowd shot.
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