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On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able.
send the ghost suggestion to demuslim then and see what he thinks about it?
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On March 19 2012 03:14 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:09 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 ChaosTerran wrote:
Bling had 3k minerals at some point, just terrible macro, yet he still just walks over demuslim who spent all his money and was on more bases. This just seems so wrong. Bling was maxed out a long time before they actually had a big fight that made him spent minerals. Yes he had not enough gateways and his macro slipped a bit, but Protoss warps in waves, so you usually float 1000+ and especially if you were maxed. He didn't play a perfect game, but his macro wasn't as off as you make it sound. He was floating 3k. There is no way you can spend that much in 1 warp in cycle. It was pretty obvious his macro was much poorer than Demuslims. Not that it matters..
Yes you can... you don't need that much more than 20-25 gates for that, which is fairly normal for a maxed 5base Toss.
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i've seen avilo use mass ghost vs protoss as well, it definetly works better than you'd think. I've done it too, it's actually pretty good. just sayin
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On March 19 2012 03:14 DISHU wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt?  Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit. he seems to moan a lot broken mindset really sad big fan of him but his attitude is a let down. Sjow tvp is solid he should looka t him a bit more often.
Why would you ever look at Sjow's TvP having Puma on your team?
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Having fun beating terran, so true, good to see protoss being strong in a XvT matchup for a change :D
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On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's
Dang, I wish I knew that going into the set.
I had more hopes that DeMu could win ><
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On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.-
Polt's best mu is TvP .
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
MKP's best matchup is TvP
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On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.-
True 
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On March 19 2012 03:16 joeschmo wrote:
i've seen avilo use mass ghost vs protoss as well, it definetly works better than you'd think. I've done it too, it's actually pretty good. just sayin
Ghosts were nerfed pretty hard.
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
no it isnt,
maybe 3 months ago it was
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On March 19 2012 03:16 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:09 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 ChaosTerran wrote:
Bling had 3k minerals at some point, just terrible macro, yet he still just walks over demuslim who spent all his money and was on more bases. This just seems so wrong. Bling was maxed out a long time before they actually had a big fight that made him spent minerals. Yes he had not enough gateways and his macro slipped a bit, but Protoss warps in waves, so you usually float 1000+ and especially if you were maxed. He didn't play a perfect game, but his macro wasn't as off as you make it sound. He was floating 3k. There is no way you can spend that much in 1 warp in cycle. It was pretty obvious his macro was much poorer than Demuslims. Not that it matters.. Yes you can... you don't need that much more than 20-25 gates for that, which is fairly normal for a maxed 5base Toss.
Um, do you have a VOD of a game with that many gates? Or better yet, enough VODs to call it "fairly normal"
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On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.-
Puma? JYP?
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On March 19 2012 03:14 DISHU wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt? Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit. he seems to moan a lot broken mindset really sad big fan of him but his attitude is a let down. Sjow tvp is solid he should looka t him a bit more often.
Yeah there are terrans like Sjow and Kas who are really solid in TvP. Its not like foreigner terrans get absolutely demolished in this match-up.
I'm a terran player myself and I think the MU is not hopeless at all. Lategame it gets a bit iffy, but considering how good terran is at the phase you are supposed to take a third and how hard it can be on Korhal, I think Demuslim just made the wrong build here.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that.
Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms.
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
Used to be. Now he just beats everyone :D
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
ah ok sorry game is fine then my bad 
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
Puma's best mu is TvP. Bomber's best mu is TvP . MKP's best mu is TvP
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On March 19 2012 03:16 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 DISHU wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt? Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit. he seems to moan a lot broken mindset really sad big fan of him but his attitude is a let down. Sjow tvp is solid he should looka t him a bit more often. Why would you ever look at Sjow's TvP having Puma on your team?
Or just look at MKP. He makes every protoss look sad.
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EPT
