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On March 19 2012 03:09 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:08 ChaosTerran wrote:
Bling had 3k minerals at some point, just terrible macro, yet he still just walks over demuslim who spent all his money and was on more bases. This just seems so wrong. Bling was maxed out a long time before they actually had a big fight that made him spent minerals. Yes he had not enough gateways and his macro slipped a bit, but Protoss warps in waves, so you usually float 1000+ and especially if you were maxed. He didn't play a perfect game, but his macro wasn't as off as you make it sound.
He was floating 3k. There is no way you can spend that much in 1 warp in cycle. It was pretty obvious his macro was much poorer than Demuslims. Not that it matters..
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demuslim did not tilt in deciding to do that build he does it very often in TvP and it destroys 1 gate FE
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On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops.
I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable.
=.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able.
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On March 19 2012 03:13 ceaRshaf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player he is not, pvt is broken. im a gm toss, its simply broken in lategame Oh jeesh.... stop it.
I don't even know what to tell all the terrans any more, nothing seems to have any effect :/
Cowgirl on stage btw
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On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt?  Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit.
he seems to moan a lot broken mindset really sad big fan of him but his attitude is a let down. Sjow tvp is solid he should looka t him a bit more often.
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nasl video guy is on this!
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On March 19 2012 03:10 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:09 PaterPatriae wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. why no PFs in choke points to mess with the AI of the chargelots? Is it not woth it? Maybe make ravens and put autoturrets in front of your army to protect them from zealots? Just think about it, they are basically forcefields with a gun on them :O
The problem is the cost of ravens, the fact that you need tech labs on barracks cuts into viking and medivac production, plus you have to put auto turrets on empty ground. Meaning that if you shift que auto turrets to make a barrier, the charging zealots (or anything else that is standing where the turret was told to go down) will block them from ever going down in the first place.
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On March 19 2012 03:14 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:09 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 ChaosTerran wrote:
Bling had 3k minerals at some point, just terrible macro, yet he still just walks over demuslim who spent all his money and was on more bases. This just seems so wrong. Bling was maxed out a long time before they actually had a big fight that made him spent minerals. Yes he had not enough gateways and his macro slipped a bit, but Protoss warps in waves, so you usually float 1000+ and especially if you were maxed. He didn't play a perfect game, but his macro wasn't as off as you make it sound. He was floating 3k. There is no way you can spend that much in 1 warp in cycle. It was pretty obvious his macro was much poorer than Demuslims. Not that it matters..
And he was maxed, before the battle. I said he hadn't build enough gateways, but I will stop argueing, its simply QQ.
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On March 19 2012 03:13 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player he is not, pvt is broken. im a gm toss, its simply broken in lategame
Yes he is. And no it is not. You're not a GM Toss.
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On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent?
TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two.
Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's
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On March 19 2012 03:11 TotalBronzenoob wrote:
demuslim had enough ghosts in the end, but it's currently impossible to emp HT's if the protoss isn't complete noob and thus keep them safe in the back of his army.
can't remember any high level TvP in the pasts 3 months, where ghosts could prevent all storms, when the HT's were not out of position or caught off-guard.
good that the snipe ability is useless as well now.
they still need the same amount of snipes to kill a templar
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Anyone know when Stephano is going to play vs Polt?
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Everybody needs a hug once in a while^^
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fucking storms fill my nightmares
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On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt? Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit.
lol poor guy, I offered some words that will hopefully cheer him up a bit
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On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me?
Not expert, waving my epeen anyways:
Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money.
Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize.
Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop.
Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~)
Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage (or EMP the P army much, I think). Some storms land as well and that is that.
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On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's
every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.-
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I'd love to get dragon's autograph
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