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On March 19 2012 03:18 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that. Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms.
Yeah that was really sloppy from Demuslim, no kiting at all :/
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
My worst MU is PvT, with a 20% winrate...
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On March 19 2012 03:16 joeschmo wrote:
i've seen avilo use mass ghost vs protoss as well, it definetly works better than you'd think. I've done it too, it's actually pretty good. just sayin
avilo doesnt play protoss players like bling, thats the difference. vs good protoss players, you have to be twice is good to have a chance in lategame.
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
Which is why Polt beats Stephano EZ and loses to BlinG 2-0. Yeah.
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I should really walk to campus and go see this tournament live. Too bad I have a shit ton of homework to do 
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On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able.
Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf.
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On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage (or EMP the P army much, I think). Some storms land as well and that is that.
yes this is it, blings army was much bigger and demuslim didn't emp.
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On March 19 2012 03:14 ishkabibble wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:11 TotalBronzenoob wrote:
demuslim had enough ghosts in the end, but it's currently impossible to emp HT's if the protoss isn't complete noob and thus keep them safe in the back of his army.
can't remember any high level TvP in the pasts 3 months, where ghosts could prevent all storms, when the HT's were not out of position or caught off-guard.
good that the snipe ability is useless as well now. etra damage to psionic, snipe still has the same range and still 2 shots high templar. That hasn't changed at all, please to balance whine when you're not even right, it makes you sound like an idiot.
wow great extra psionic damage - it was 2 shots for HT before, and after patch.
but 1 zealot now needs 6 snipes instead of 4.
but the big thing about snipe is of course in tvz.
so stop talking bs, you raging offended whine kid.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 19 2012 03:18 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 joeschmo wrote:
i've seen avilo use mass ghost vs protoss as well, it definetly works better than you'd think. I've done it too, it's actually pretty good. just sayin Ghosts were nerfed pretty hard.
yea i know, i'm not saying it's the greatest thing ever but it's pretty good and probably better than you would think, that's all.
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On March 19 2012 03:19 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 Fragile51 wrote:On March 19 2012 03:07 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:05 Toppp wrote:On March 19 2012 03:01 Type|NarutO wrote:
30 3-3 Ghost would have won that fight without much of a problem. Too bad Terrans don't like Ghosts :/. Rofl. You have no idea. Good luck affording 30 3-3 Ghost AND retaining all of them throughout the game buddy, that's way too unrealistic. Retaining your extremely expensive Ghost during trades/engagements is near impossible, they may be sturdy, but for their cost, not so much. It's highly impractical/impossible to go pure mass ghost vs Protoss because of cost, supply, and the fact that they have to have support. I have no clue... okay! Try it first, when I can get to a mass-ghost late game, DemusliM certainly can as well. Wait what? A pro terran trying new stuff and having to defend himself against forumgoers? x_x wtf am i reading I might not be pro but I'm high master and I've tryed all sorts of stuff for late game TvP. I know it's just impractical to mass ghost vs Protoss in the late game. Only way to win against a good protoss lategame is to have to have the perfect mix of units and planetarys splitting the map with Nuke Harass and doom drops. I can send you a replay where a Protoss with nearly unlimited ressources (15000/8000) didn't finish me when he could and couldn't after I got my ghost count up. No amount of colossi nor anything else could save him, everything just emp'ed and cloaked ghosts are durable. =.=! Why don't you just try it, its not EASY but its do-able. Yes it doable, but how often do you get to that point ? Most of the time, a good protoss will see you sacking SCV or doing sacrificial drops, and kill you with his 200/200 deathball with 40 gateways resupply. It only works versus quite stupid Protosses or against people who are not familiar with this style. Its just like mass Thors was before nerf.
Actually attacking a terran that's defending with nukes and planetary's is suicide
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On March 19 2012 03:17 Perseverance wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's Dang, I wish I knew that going into the set. I had more hopes that DeMu could win ><
DeMusliM has said on stream that TvP is really hard for him and that he doesn't get the matchup as much as he does the other two.
That said credit to Bling for playing those two games very well. Played game two almost flawlessly.
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I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened or is he just kidding around?
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On March 19 2012 03:18 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:18 NeonFox wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2012 03:16 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:13 Denzil wrote:
game 1 looked like demuslim played it way better than bling but bling still won
can any tvp experts explain what happened to me? Not expert, waving my epeen anyways: Both players were maxed out, but Bling had a huge bank of money. Demuslim wasn't able to emp the HTs, so his army took substantial damage. Still, he beat down Bling's army, but wasn't able to capitalize. Bling remaxes (due to banked money) and demuslim goes to drop. Drop kills some workers, it's now 70 workers to Demuslim, 50 to Bling - but Bling has banked money, meaning his army is just 20 supply bigger + Demuslim has a bunch of supply in his drops, meaning Bling's army is 30~ supply larger (15 zeals~) Demuslim can't hold the substantially larger follow-up push. He doesn't micro at all, letting the huge zealot count deal maximum damage. Some storms land as well and that is that. Not an expert either but that last fight he just stood there getting surrounded by zealots and eating the storms. Yeah that was really sloppy from Demuslim, no kiting at all :/
true, he wasnt kiting that 1 fight - but he had to watch everything else, viking positiong, ghosts, keep building stuff etc.
what does the protoss do? a click, guardian shield, storm.
thats the problem about chargelots - they dont require any actions and you cant do mistakes with them - u just let them run into the terran army
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On March 19 2012 03:16 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:14 DISHU wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 0ne wrote:On March 19 2012 03:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 0ne wrote:
Demuslim why you tilt so much This isn't a tilt, most likely it's a planned build order. Korhal is shit to take a third in this matchup, and DeMu does this build a LOT on stream, if BlinG wouldn't have sent that stalker along the left side it might have been a straight up win. This isn't tilt?  Benjamin Baker @DeMusliM protoss is actually pretty bullshit. he seems to moan a lot broken mindset really sad big fan of him but his attitude is a let down. Sjow tvp is solid he should looka t him a bit more often. Why would you ever look at Sjow's TvP having Puma on your team?
puma's tvp relies more on his mechanics that sjows . so it would be easer for him to see the stuff sjow does as he makes more smart plays compared to puma's mechnics which are harder to copy.
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I thought terrans were beating protosses more often overall at the pro level...
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On March 19 2012 03:17 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On March 19 2012 03:15 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 Velr wrote:On March 19 2012 03:13 RJGooner wrote:On March 19 2012 03:12 AgentChaos wrote:
bling is now officialy the best uk player I don't really think so. why would you think anything diffrent? TvP is his worst match-up and PvT is Bling's best. If anything it's not very fair to compare the two. Plus I don't think Bling's tournament results are really any better than DeMusliM's every protoss best MU is PvT and every terran worst MU is TvP -.- Polt's best mu is TvP .
His TvT is rly too :<
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On March 19 2012 03:20 sharktopus. wrote:
I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened?
he is trolling.
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On March 19 2012 03:18 Supah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 03:16 HaXXspetten wrote:On March 19 2012 03:14 SupLilSon wrote:On March 19 2012 03:09 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 19 2012 03:08 ChaosTerran wrote:
Bling had 3k minerals at some point, just terrible macro, yet he still just walks over demuslim who spent all his money and was on more bases. This just seems so wrong. Bling was maxed out a long time before they actually had a big fight that made him spent minerals. Yes he had not enough gateways and his macro slipped a bit, but Protoss warps in waves, so you usually float 1000+ and especially if you were maxed. He didn't play a perfect game, but his macro wasn't as off as you make it sound. He was floating 3k. There is no way you can spend that much in 1 warp in cycle. It was pretty obvious his macro was much poorer than Demuslims. Not that it matters.. Yes you can... you don't need that much more than 20-25 gates for that, which is fairly normal for a maxed 5base Toss. Um, do you have a VOD of a game with that many gates? Or better yet, enough VODs to call it "fairly normal"
Well 20-25 meaning if you're going pure gateway units, in BlinG's case here he had 3x robo colossi as well, so that + maybe 16 or so gates would be enough to empty that much in one go, which in case you didn't notice, he had.
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On March 19 2012 03:20 sharktopus. wrote:
I'm just now able to tune in. I saw on twitter that Destiny posted "After RotterdaM's harrassment today after my humiliating loss 0-2 to Grubby, I think I'm done with live events for a while." Can anyone explain what happened?
it was a weird post match interview where they put the replay on the main screen and told destiny what he could have done better pretty much. not sure if he's serious but that's what happened
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Plz stop with the balance crap. Pleanty of good terrans beat protoss players all the time. Bling is just the better player. Just becuase he isnt as popular as Demuslim doesnt mean you have to shit on his achievements!
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