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purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 13 2012 10:45 GMT
#941
Well when its Idra its not really a surprise. Its kinda bad though to play a showmatch, and because you get 0-2 down due to allins, you throw the 2 remaining games like that. Thats not only BM like hell, its very disrespectful to the people who watched and those who set up the showmatch. That was actually alot wors then naniwas probe rush.

Idra seem to really be off atm, but I guess thats what happens when you have Idras attitude and losing as much as he is doing atm. In Idras eyes he probably think he should be winning GSL atm and so of course it will be frustraiting as hell to get crushed instead.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
February 13 2012 10:50 GMT
#942
On February 13 2012 19:45 purpose wrote:
Well when its Idra its not really a surprise. Its kinda bad though to play a showmatch, and because you get 0-2 down due to allins, you throw the 2 remaining games like that. Thats not only BM like hell, its very disrespectful to the people who watched and those who set up the showmatch. That was actually alot wors then naniwas probe rush.

Idra seem to really be off atm, but I guess thats what happens when you have Idras attitude and losing as much as he is doing atm. In Idras eyes he probably think he should be winning GSL atm and so of course it will be frustraiting as hell to get crushed instead.


How is making 15 hellions on 2 base an all in?.. Anyway what a let down, not even trying just happy he got some money for doing nothing I guess. Idra style.
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
February 13 2012 10:50 GMT
#943
lololol, i just watched game 1, and after the bunker rush, the caster says "now the best thing for idra to do is" and at that exact moment, idra leaves the game, leaving the caster speechless. Now that is what i call a showmatch.
On January 03 2011 13:14 IdrA wrote: being high on the ladder doesnt get you any closer to your goal. Avoiding practice to protect your rating is absurd. If you want to be good go play 40 games a day and stop thinking about becoming a pro.
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 13 2012 11:02 GMT
#944
On February 13 2012 19:50 DwD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 19:45 purpose wrote:
Well when its Idra its not really a surprise. Its kinda bad though to play a showmatch, and because you get 0-2 down due to allins, you throw the 2 remaining games like that. Thats not only BM like hell, its very disrespectful to the people who watched and those who set up the showmatch. That was actually alot wors then naniwas probe rush.

Idra seem to really be off atm, but I guess thats what happens when you have Idras attitude and losing as much as he is doing atm. In Idras eyes he probably think he should be winning GSL atm and so of course it will be frustraiting as hell to get crushed instead.


How is making 15 hellions on 2 base an all in?.. Anyway what a let down, not even trying just happy he got some money for doing nothing I guess. Idra style.


I never said it was, but thats what Idra and his fans think. Idra got pissed because alive did not want to macro vs him because according to idra thats they only correct way to show skill in sc2.

Fuck look at Alives split second decision when Idra 6pooled the first time. What a freaking epic and perfect way to handle that 6pool.

though how could it take so long for the casters to react on that 6pool. They did not notice until the lings were being built.
GLLuvz
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway25 Posts
February 13 2012 11:12 GMT
#945
Funny how idra can throw his games and get away with it without it being talked about at all the live "talkshows" yet when Naniwa does it, theres a huge shitstorm. EG = Most fuckd up organisation in esports. Controlls everything and talks shit about everyone but themselves, yet they have players doing the exact same thing Naniwa did.
Gamersleague FTW
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 11:17:52
February 13 2012 11:17 GMT
#946
why does idra even get invited to play in these show matches anymore? how about inviting Ret, Stephano, Dimaga or any other better foreign Zerg who isn't just going to rage quit, I guess it is an easy way to get viewers and attention but it must feel shitty for the other players who are out there to see someone this bad get so much given to him and for him to act like a child time and time again without producing results
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
February 13 2012 11:20 GMT
#947
Why do people even invite Idra to showmatches?
Im better than Stefan
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
February 13 2012 11:27 GMT
#948
On February 13 2012 20:17 mememolly wrote:
why does idra even get invited to play in these show matches anymore? how about inviting Ret, Stephano, Dimaga or any other better foreign Zerg who isn't just going to rage quit, I guess it is an easy way to get viewers and attention but it must feel shitty for the other players who are out there to see someone this bad get so much given to him and for him to act like a child time and time again without producing results


In general, there are way to many who constantly gets invited over and over again, simply because of their fan appeal. But at some point it gets frustrating to see players who either rarely or never achieves anything (not talking about IdrA at all here ofc, he gets results) and yet always gets a new chance.

Honestly, i see the frustration alot are expressing here. There should be a fine line between your living on your fame, and getting rewarded(I.E get invited) where the latter always should always outweight the other.

IdrA's case i alot more complicated, giving the fact that he IS one of the best outside of Korea, but his mentalt state + repeating situations like this, and you gotta wonder if someone else who doesn't get spoon-feed with invites, could achive instead.

TL;DR: players who is showing results or have ALOT(!!!!!) potential should be rewarded with invites, NOT (always) on their star-appeal
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
February 13 2012 11:27 GMT
#949
On February 13 2012 13:43 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 13:41 FXOpen wrote:
This is the problem with getting paid no matter what happens.

this, in a nutshell.


Wrong, the main problem is the player, not that an organiser wants to pay a pro player for their time.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
February 13 2012 11:29 GMT
#950
that was a fucking joke.
just stop inviting players like idra to showmatches, please.

BlondeOna
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia89 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 11:47:48
February 13 2012 11:47 GMT
#951
I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously.

Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber.

Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier.

Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again.

As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules.
'This is a f****** joke, f*** you'
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
February 13 2012 11:50 GMT
#952
On February 13 2012 20:12 GLLuvz wrote:
Funny how idra can throw his games and get away with it without it being talked about at all the live "talkshows" yet when Naniwa does it, theres a huge shitstorm. EG = Most fuckd up organisation in esports. Controlls everything and talks shit about everyone but themselves, yet they have players doing the exact same thing Naniwa did.

sotg talks about his attitude regularly

and didn't he do this sunday night? how many talk shows have run since this happened?

what is wrong with you? oh you already hate EG so you don't need anything real to make you angry at them, I see.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
Vari
Profile Joined September 2010
United States532 Posts
February 13 2012 11:51 GMT
#953
On February 13 2012 20:47 BlondeOna wrote:
I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously.

Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber.

Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier.

Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again.

As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules.

actually I'd think you'd get to the point where you'd hold things a little more often

and where if you couldn't you'd say wow, this guy beat me in the most obvious way ever... how could I lose to that? gg, you clearly bested me.
Stroke Me Lady Fame
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 13 2012 11:57 GMT
#954
On February 13 2012 20:47 BlondeOna wrote:
I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously.

Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber.

Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier.

Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again.

As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules.


But look at that game were Demuslim did a bunker rush on Violoet I think it was. That game was exactly as over as the idra vs Alive game. But violet does not reage quit like idra. He instead took the small chance he had and did a runby with lings and went for a counter and it turned out that demuslim forgot to walloff with a 2nd depot so lings got in to the base and violet won. Shit happens but in idras world he gets so angry and leaves and then people say that it was impossible to win. Bigger things have happend.

And this is the biggest issue for Idra. If that is his mindset, then why the hell do he accept a showmatch? Why oh why does he even go there if he so easy can get pissed and then throw 2 games even though it is a showmatch for 400bucks and people are expecting a good fight? It is just so disrespectful to everybody.

And nobody is scared to face Idras macro, but why would anyone do it when they can just do a standard 2 base push and win the game?

Also Idra right now, is just far from one of the best outside korea. He is still good, but not close to top 5, or even top 10.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
February 13 2012 11:59 GMT
#955
I don't know why anyone would compare this to what Naniwa did in Blizzard Cup. Nani was out of the competition with no theoretical chance to win anything. Idra was still actively in the game for prize money.
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
February 13 2012 12:06 GMT
#956
idra is a disappointment.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 13 2012 12:06 GMT
#957
On February 13 2012 20:47 BlondeOna wrote:
I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously.

Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber.

Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier.

Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again.

As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules.


Idra's "macro" is built up on sacrifaces he makes to achieve superior economic position in mid/late game, where's the logic of playing into his hands, when you can actually win by focusing on lack of idra's defenses/game sense. Its a paradox, people started to believe, that being greedy is superior to punishing greed.
Stork[gm]
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-13 12:11:14
February 13 2012 12:07 GMT
#958
Again and again, total disrespect to all of his fans, team and practically everybody.
Hes lucky he is the only american otherwise i really doubt he would still have so many viewers on his stream.
I really hope sheth will step up his game even more and gets the attention instead of Idra since he is the one that deserves it.
ZjiublingZ
Profile Joined September 2011
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
February 13 2012 12:13 GMT
#959
What Alive is doing is a Skill Check and almost every strong KR does it against a foreigner the first time they play them in a BoX. There is no reason to go into a macro game and risk losing to something funky if your opponent can't defend a 2 rax. It's an amazing approach to a BoX when you feel confident vs. the other player. It gives you confidence, and makes your opponent even more insecure, and if you lose, your opponent at least realizes you are willing to throw in aggression to punish greedy play, so they can't cut to many corners when you go into macro games.

What's also funny is how people are so upset about Idra's 6 pool when Lucky (I'm pretty sure it was Lucky, a KR zerg for sure) did this less than a week ago against MMA, twice in a row too. But, because it worked, nobody was saying Lucky was disrespectful to the viewers, he was just playing to win. It is entirely possible, and likely, Idra realized he was pretty out classed - he knows what a Skill Check is, it has been around since BW. Just like Lucky probably knew he didn't have much of a chance going into a macro game with MMA (no offense to Lucky ofc). People love the idea of Idra getting so mentally frustrated that he just throws away games, and being so angry because he isn't GGing when he has a frustrating loss, and they love bad-mouthing him when these things happen. But ironically those are the people who are buying into the hype of Idra the most. Yes, he gets frustrated and tilts, yes he tends to leave games earlier than most players, but you are fooling yourself if you think he just decided to 6 pool twice in a row, coincidentally after it worked on MMA less than a week ago, just to throw those games away.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
February 13 2012 12:17 GMT
#960
Congratulations Alive!
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
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