EPTIdra seem to really be off atm, but I guess thats what happens when you have Idras attitude and losing as much as he is doing atm. In Idras eyes he probably think he should be winning GSL atm and so of course it will be frustraiting as hell to get crushed instead.
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Idra seem to really be off atm, but I guess thats what happens when you have Idras attitude and losing as much as he is doing atm. In Idras eyes he probably think he should be winning GSL atm and so of course it will be frustraiting as hell to get crushed instead. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:45 purpose wrote: Well when its Idra its not really a surprise. Its kinda bad though to play a showmatch, and because you get 0-2 down due to allins, you throw the 2 remaining games like that. Thats not only BM like hell, its very disrespectful to the people who watched and those who set up the showmatch. That was actually alot wors then naniwas probe rush. Idra seem to really be off atm, but I guess thats what happens when you have Idras attitude and losing as much as he is doing atm. In Idras eyes he probably think he should be winning GSL atm and so of course it will be frustraiting as hell to get crushed instead. How is making 15 hellions on 2 base an all in?.. Anyway what a let down, not even trying just happy he got some money for doing nothing I guess. Idra style. | ||
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Sweden1017 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:50 DwD wrote: How is making 15 hellions on 2 base an all in?.. Anyway what a let down, not even trying just happy he got some money for doing nothing I guess. Idra style. I never said it was, but thats what Idra and his fans think. Idra got pissed because alive did not want to macro vs him because according to idra thats they only correct way to show skill in sc2. Fuck look at Alives split second decision when Idra 6pooled the first time. What a freaking epic and perfect way to handle that 6pool. though how could it take so long for the casters to react on that 6pool. They did not notice until the lings were being built. | ||
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GLLuvz
Norway25 Posts
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mememolly
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Krallman
Sweden713 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:17 mememolly wrote: why does idra even get invited to play in these show matches anymore? how about inviting Ret, Stephano, Dimaga or any other better foreign Zerg who isn't just going to rage quit, I guess it is an easy way to get viewers and attention but it must feel shitty for the other players who are out there to see someone this bad get so much given to him and for him to act like a child time and time again without producing results In general, there are way to many who constantly gets invited over and over again, simply because of their fan appeal. But at some point it gets frustrating to see players who either rarely or never achieves anything (not talking about IdrA at all here ofc, he gets results) and yet always gets a new chance. Honestly, i see the frustration alot are expressing here. There should be a fine line between your living on your fame, and getting rewarded(I.E get invited) where the latter always should always outweight the other. IdrA's case i alot more complicated, giving the fact that he IS one of the best outside of Korea, but his mentalt state + repeating situations like this, and you gotta wonder if someone else who doesn't get spoon-feed with invites, could achive instead. TL;DR: players who is showing results or have ALOT(!!!!!) potential should be rewarded with invites, NOT (always) on their star-appeal | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Wrong, the main problem is the player, not that an organiser wants to pay a pro player for their time. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
just stop inviting players like idra to showmatches, please. | ||
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BlondeOna
Australia89 Posts
Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber. Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier. Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again. As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:12 GLLuvz wrote: Funny how idra can throw his games and get away with it without it being talked about at all the live "talkshows" yet when Naniwa does it, theres a huge shitstorm. EG = Most fuckd up organisation in esports. Controlls everything and talks shit about everyone but themselves, yet they have players doing the exact same thing Naniwa did. sotg talks about his attitude regularly and didn't he do this sunday night? how many talk shows have run since this happened? what is wrong with you? oh you already hate EG so you don't need anything real to make you angry at them, I see. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:47 BlondeOna wrote: I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously. Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber. Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier. Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again. As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules. actually I'd think you'd get to the point where you'd hold things a little more often and where if you couldn't you'd say wow, this guy beat me in the most obvious way ever... how could I lose to that? gg, you clearly bested me. | ||
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Sweden1017 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:47 BlondeOna wrote: I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously. Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber. Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier. Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again. As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules. But look at that game were Demuslim did a bunker rush on Violoet I think it was. That game was exactly as over as the idra vs Alive game. But violet does not reage quit like idra. He instead took the small chance he had and did a runby with lings and went for a counter and it turned out that demuslim forgot to walloff with a 2nd depot so lings got in to the base and violet won. Shit happens but in idras world he gets so angry and leaves and then people say that it was impossible to win. Bigger things have happend. And this is the biggest issue for Idra. If that is his mindset, then why the hell do he accept a showmatch? Why oh why does he even go there if he so easy can get pissed and then throw 2 games even though it is a showmatch for 400bucks and people are expecting a good fight? It is just so disrespectful to everybody. And nobody is scared to face Idras macro, but why would anyone do it when they can just do a standard 2 base push and win the game? Also Idra right now, is just far from one of the best outside korea. He is still good, but not close to top 5, or even top 10. | ||
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theBALLS
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:47 BlondeOna wrote: I just watched the games. You guys are nitpicking. Seriously. Game 1: IdrA was going to lose his hatch, he did everything right up until the marines reached his base, his drone barely missed the barracks on the high ground. I mean, who the hell (Besides Losira) has the ability to come back from losing your hatch in ZvT against a REALLY GOOD (TRo8 GSL) Terran. Sure Losira has come back from that position a few times, but not against someone of aLive's caliber. Game 2: IdrA was unprepared, and tried to defend, the old IdrA would have just left the game, but at least he pulled drones and *tried*. I mean, look at MLG v BoxeR, he can hold that off, he held off something like 30ish hellions on Dual Sight, he needed to have seen it coming earlier. Game 3 & 4: Result of tilt and 'I can't be bothered playing against this guy' and it looks like G3 aLive may have cheesed again. As I stated in his fan club, if you were IdrA, and were constantly cheesed by foreigner and korean terrans alike in tournaments, showmatches and even ladder because they may not want to go up against your macro in ZvT especially, then you would just get to the point where you can't justify it with a gg outside of tournament respect/rules. Idra's "macro" is built up on sacrifaces he makes to achieve superior economic position in mid/late game, where's the logic of playing into his hands, when you can actually win by focusing on lack of idra's defenses/game sense. Its a paradox, people started to believe, that being greedy is superior to punishing greed. | ||
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
Hes lucky he is the only american otherwise i really doubt he would still have so many viewers on his stream. I really hope sheth will step up his game even more and gets the attention instead of Idra since he is the one that deserves it. | ||
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ZjiublingZ
United Arab Emirates439 Posts
What's also funny is how people are so upset about Idra's 6 pool when Lucky (I'm pretty sure it was Lucky, a KR zerg for sure) did this less than a week ago against MMA, twice in a row too. But, because it worked, nobody was saying Lucky was disrespectful to the viewers, he was just playing to win. It is entirely possible, and likely, Idra realized he was pretty out classed - he knows what a Skill Check is, it has been around since BW. Just like Lucky probably knew he didn't have much of a chance going into a macro game with MMA (no offense to Lucky ofc). People love the idea of Idra getting so mentally frustrated that he just throws away games, and being so angry because he isn't GGing when he has a frustrating loss, and they love bad-mouthing him when these things happen. But ironically those are the people who are buying into the hype of Idra the most. Yes, he gets frustrated and tilts, yes he tends to leave games earlier than most players, but you are fooling yourself if you think he just decided to 6 pool twice in a row, coincidentally after it worked on MMA less than a week ago, just to throw those games away. | ||
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