• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:36
CEST 18:36
KST 01:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 BW General Discussion ASL20 General Discussion ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro16 Group C BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2035 users

SHOUTcraft Invitational 4 - "Colin Smith" - Page 9

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 171 Next
Results can be found at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_SHOUTcraft_Invitational/4
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 09 2012 23:07 GMT
#161
On January 10 2012 05:12 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


I agree it's not the player's fault. This is something that should be sorted out within the tournament format. I don't really think Stephano or BratOK are particularly at fault for their incident because the tournament they were playing in put them in a position where they had a better chance at winning the tournament if they lost their games. A player should want to win all their games in an ideal situation, they should be expected to try their best even if there isn't that much to gain(particularly if they are being paid simply for participating) but if they're put in a situation where they could benefit from losing due to the format of the tournament, I don't think it's their fault for throwing.


Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 05:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


The only way to avoid this as far as I know is to run both matches at the same time, something we can't do.

I doubt this will be an issue in our tournament, since players are also playing for tips as well as wins. You don't encourage viewers to tip you if you throw games.


I understand that playing both groups at the same time is not feasible, another alternative, and one to consider in the future may be having a separate small prize for winning your group. In this manner, throwing a game to get an opponent you're more comfortable against, would cost you a potential 50-150 dollars. This would force players to weight their options much more carefully, a confirmed bonus for winning, or a potentially easier opponent that they could still lose to.

The tips should help in this situation regardless, but I don't know if I would personally withhold tipping a player myself if they threw a game so they could have a better chance at the whole tournament, I'd probably be understanding to why they did it.


Of course not everyone will turn against a player that purposefully throw a game to get a better opponent, but I think it's pretty safe to say that that would be the case in general.
qurewka
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland21 Posts
January 09 2012 23:14 GMT
#162
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
January 09 2012 23:28 GMT
#163
On January 10 2012 08:14 qurewka wrote:
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss


Both of them have already been in a SCI before so don't think we'll see them in this one unfortunately
You need to construct additional pylons.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
January 09 2012 23:40 GMT
#164
On January 10 2012 08:28 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 08:14 qurewka wrote:
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss


Both of them have already been in a SCI before so don't think we'll see them in this one unfortunately


White-Ra Appeared in SCi1 & SCi3 so it seems perfectly reasonable for players to make multiple appearances, although I think Nerchio has already done two, on account of attending the first one and receiving a runner-up invite for SCi2, so I doubt we'll see him.

I remember Intricacy mentioning in the thread for SCi3 that an EG member had ‘already confirmed themselves for SCi4’. To me the most likely player this could be would be DeMuslim or Strifecro (I guess Machine is also a possibility). Unfortunately this was a while ago now (August/September last year?) so it’s most likely plans have changed, but as I said earlier I’m still holding out for DeMuslim, pleeeeaaaassssseeee!
curlfry
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia103 Posts
January 09 2012 23:42 GMT
#165
Keeping with the theme of former wc3 players, im am hoping to see stephano, nani and demuslim.

<3 shoutcaft
the French are effectively gypsies with a steady income
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 09 2012 23:43 GMT
#166
So hyped for this tournament, thank you bizzcuit
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
January 09 2012 23:51 GMT
#167
SCI3 was the "viewer's choice" type of thing, that's why White-Ra was there. I don't see him making an appearance. While he's a great player, he rarely performs great in tournaments. Sort of like Destiny.

That being said, this being a "serious" tournament (and not the viewer's choice that 3 was), I wouldn't be against seeing a "struggling player" tossed in for a hope to shine. Like Tyler.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
January 09 2012 23:59 GMT
#168
On January 10 2012 07:49 lavit2099 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 06:53 Yonnua wrote:
Hoping for a Thorzain / Incontrol grudge match. :D


I doubt with the bad blood between the two that TB would invite Incontrol, and if he did (to be the better man as it were) Incontrol would decline.

I'm a fan of both, don't get me wrong, but there seems to be enough issues between the two that they'd, by choice, try to steer clear of each other. Which makes me sad, because I think TB on SotG would be awesome.

incontrol and TB dont have bad blood now from what i understand
Takuna
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany332 Posts
January 10 2012 00:07 GMT
#169
10 AM GMT, isn't that like in the middle of the night in America?

I don't mind as a german viewer, but i think especially as an american player i would not like this at all.
The spirits move me.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 00:13:02
January 10 2012 00:11 GMT
#170
On January 10 2012 08:59 johnnywup wrote:
incontrol and TB dont have bad blood now from what i understand


Not really true. He hasn't apologised for any of the earlier slander and until that happens I won't have anything to do with him.

I don't mind as a german viewer, but i think especially as an american player i would not like this at all.


Needless to say, we will not be scheduling American players to play early, so that won't be a problem.

I remember Intricacy mentioning in the thread for SCi3 that an EG member had ‘already confirmed themselves for SCi4’.


The EG player confirmed for SCI4 was HuK. This was when SCI4 was billed as the KR-server tournament, however that was several months ago and the plans did not come together.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 10 2012 00:18 GMT
#171
Apologize for an opinion? Interesting. GL with these anyways! I tune in each time, they rock an you're doing great
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
January 10 2012 00:21 GMT
#172
On January 10 2012 08:28 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 08:14 qurewka wrote:
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss


Both of them have already been in a SCI before so don't think we'll see them in this one unfortunately


ThorZaIN was in SCI 1.
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
January 10 2012 00:50 GMT
#173
I hope you'll pick stephano
FunnelC4kes
Profile Joined July 2010
Ireland462 Posts
January 10 2012 01:58 GMT
#174
glad to see grubby--his metamorphosis has been quite interesting. Becoming a bit of a contender, he is! And ma-man T-Zain!
Scholar. Shaman. Starcraft Enthusiast.
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
January 10 2012 13:14 GMT
#175
On January 10 2012 09:18 iNcontroL wrote:
Apologize for an opinion? Interesting. GL with these anyways! I tune in each time, they rock an you're doing great

I dont think TB would get mad if you just expressed an opinion =/
Holy check.
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
January 10 2012 14:01 GMT
#176
On January 10 2012 08:51 lavit2099 wrote:
SCI3 was the "viewer's choice" type of thing, that's why White-Ra was there. I don't see him making an appearance. While he's a great player, he rarely performs great in tournaments. Sort of like Destiny.

That being said, this being a "serious" tournament (and not the viewer's choice that 3 was), I wouldn't be against seeing a "struggling player" tossed in for a hope to shine. Like Tyler.


you cant be serious about comparing whitera to destiny...
Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/PinDarKFoRcE
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 10 2012 14:08 GMT
#177
On January 10 2012 23:01 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 08:51 lavit2099 wrote:
SCI3 was the "viewer's choice" type of thing, that's why White-Ra was there. I don't see him making an appearance. While he's a great player, he rarely performs great in tournaments. Sort of like Destiny.

That being said, this being a "serious" tournament (and not the viewer's choice that 3 was), I wouldn't be against seeing a "struggling player" tossed in for a hope to shine. Like Tyler.


you cant be serious about comparing whitera to destiny...


Ermm yeah, quite. White-ra is beating top players all the time, both online and in LANs. He isn't winning major tournaments right now but then again, few people actually are.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Back
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 14:17:36
January 10 2012 14:17 GMT
#178
TB, I will now starve myself until you release another player name. I had a big breakfast but I'm probably going to be a bit peckish in a few hours and do you really want that on your conscience?
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
January 10 2012 14:41 GMT
#179
Another great tournament inc!
Luppa <3
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
January 10 2012 14:45 GMT
#180
if times are ok and u can play on US server in my matches ill participate if possible! :D
Progamer
Prev 1 7 8 9 10 11 171 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 17h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 165
JuggernautJason102
ProTech84
UpATreeSC 48
Codebar 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31027
Bisu 3543
Horang2 2282
EffOrt 1095
ZerO 398
Mini 383
Hyuk 383
Light 357
hero 166
Soulkey 165
[ Show more ]
Soma 128
Rush 115
Snow 91
ggaemo 89
Hyun 64
Mind 49
Aegong 35
Free 29
sorry 27
ToSsGirL 24
Terrorterran 23
JYJ20
Yoon 18
scan(afreeca) 16
IntoTheRainbow 11
Sexy 8
Dota 2
Gorgc7433
qojqva3245
Dendi1266
XcaliburYe205
League of Legends
Trikslyr62
Counter-Strike
ScreaM974
fl0m565
oskar105
markeloff95
Other Games
gofns26579
tarik_tv20509
FrodaN763
Mlord418
Lowko373
RotterdaM251
byalli244
Hui .221
Beastyqt175
ArmadaUGS111
QueenE65
NeuroSwarm34
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 13
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix14
• Michael_bg 7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV434
League of Legends
• Nemesis4607
• TFBlade640
Other Games
• Shiphtur207
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
17h 24m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
18h 24m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 10h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 15h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.