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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 09 2012 23:07 GMT
#161
On January 10 2012 05:12 Mordiford wrote:
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On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


I agree it's not the player's fault. This is something that should be sorted out within the tournament format. I don't really think Stephano or BratOK are particularly at fault for their incident because the tournament they were playing in put them in a position where they had a better chance at winning the tournament if they lost their games. A player should want to win all their games in an ideal situation, they should be expected to try their best even if there isn't that much to gain(particularly if they are being paid simply for participating) but if they're put in a situation where they could benefit from losing due to the format of the tournament, I don't think it's their fault for throwing.


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On January 10 2012 05:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


The only way to avoid this as far as I know is to run both matches at the same time, something we can't do.

I doubt this will be an issue in our tournament, since players are also playing for tips as well as wins. You don't encourage viewers to tip you if you throw games.


I understand that playing both groups at the same time is not feasible, another alternative, and one to consider in the future may be having a separate small prize for winning your group. In this manner, throwing a game to get an opponent you're more comfortable against, would cost you a potential 50-150 dollars. This would force players to weight their options much more carefully, a confirmed bonus for winning, or a potentially easier opponent that they could still lose to.

The tips should help in this situation regardless, but I don't know if I would personally withhold tipping a player myself if they threw a game so they could have a better chance at the whole tournament, I'd probably be understanding to why they did it.


Of course not everyone will turn against a player that purposefully throw a game to get a better opponent, but I think it's pretty safe to say that that would be the case in general.
qurewka
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland21 Posts
January 09 2012 23:14 GMT
#162
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
January 09 2012 23:28 GMT
#163
On January 10 2012 08:14 qurewka wrote:
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss


Both of them have already been in a SCI before so don't think we'll see them in this one unfortunately
You need to construct additional pylons.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
January 09 2012 23:40 GMT
#164
On January 10 2012 08:28 Fluffboll wrote:
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On January 10 2012 08:14 qurewka wrote:
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss


Both of them have already been in a SCI before so don't think we'll see them in this one unfortunately


White-Ra Appeared in SCi1 & SCi3 so it seems perfectly reasonable for players to make multiple appearances, although I think Nerchio has already done two, on account of attending the first one and receiving a runner-up invite for SCi2, so I doubt we'll see him.

I remember Intricacy mentioning in the thread for SCi3 that an EG member had ‘already confirmed themselves for SCi4’. To me the most likely player this could be would be DeMuslim or Strifecro (I guess Machine is also a possibility). Unfortunately this was a while ago now (August/September last year?) so it’s most likely plans have changed, but as I said earlier I’m still holding out for DeMuslim, pleeeeaaaassssseeee!
curlfry
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia103 Posts
January 09 2012 23:42 GMT
#165
Keeping with the theme of former wc3 players, im am hoping to see stephano, nani and demuslim.

<3 shoutcaft
the French are effectively gypsies with a steady income
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
January 09 2012 23:43 GMT
#166
So hyped for this tournament, thank you bizzcuit
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Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
January 09 2012 23:51 GMT
#167
SCI3 was the "viewer's choice" type of thing, that's why White-Ra was there. I don't see him making an appearance. While he's a great player, he rarely performs great in tournaments. Sort of like Destiny.

That being said, this being a "serious" tournament (and not the viewer's choice that 3 was), I wouldn't be against seeing a "struggling player" tossed in for a hope to shine. Like Tyler.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
January 09 2012 23:59 GMT
#168
On January 10 2012 07:49 lavit2099 wrote:
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On January 10 2012 06:53 Yonnua wrote:
Hoping for a Thorzain / Incontrol grudge match. :D


I doubt with the bad blood between the two that TB would invite Incontrol, and if he did (to be the better man as it were) Incontrol would decline.

I'm a fan of both, don't get me wrong, but there seems to be enough issues between the two that they'd, by choice, try to steer clear of each other. Which makes me sad, because I think TB on SotG would be awesome.

incontrol and TB dont have bad blood now from what i understand
Takuna
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany332 Posts
January 10 2012 00:07 GMT
#169
10 AM GMT, isn't that like in the middle of the night in America?

I don't mind as a german viewer, but i think especially as an american player i would not like this at all.
The spirits move me.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 00:13:02
January 10 2012 00:11 GMT
#170
On January 10 2012 08:59 johnnywup wrote:
incontrol and TB dont have bad blood now from what i understand


Not really true. He hasn't apologised for any of the earlier slander and until that happens I won't have anything to do with him.

I don't mind as a german viewer, but i think especially as an american player i would not like this at all.


Needless to say, we will not be scheduling American players to play early, so that won't be a problem.

I remember Intricacy mentioning in the thread for SCi3 that an EG member had ‘already confirmed themselves for SCi4’.


The EG player confirmed for SCI4 was HuK. This was when SCI4 was billed as the KR-server tournament, however that was several months ago and the plans did not come together.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 10 2012 00:18 GMT
#171
Apologize for an opinion? Interesting. GL with these anyways! I tune in each time, they rock an you're doing great
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
January 10 2012 00:21 GMT
#172
On January 10 2012 08:28 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 08:14 qurewka wrote:
Nerchio-monster zerg
Mana-one of the best EU toss


Both of them have already been in a SCI before so don't think we'll see them in this one unfortunately


ThorZaIN was in SCI 1.
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
January 10 2012 00:50 GMT
#173
I hope you'll pick stephano
FunnelC4kes
Profile Joined July 2010
Ireland462 Posts
January 10 2012 01:58 GMT
#174
glad to see grubby--his metamorphosis has been quite interesting. Becoming a bit of a contender, he is! And ma-man T-Zain!
Scholar. Shaman. Starcraft Enthusiast.
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
January 10 2012 13:14 GMT
#175
On January 10 2012 09:18 iNcontroL wrote:
Apologize for an opinion? Interesting. GL with these anyways! I tune in each time, they rock an you're doing great

I dont think TB would get mad if you just expressed an opinion =/
Holy check.
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
January 10 2012 14:01 GMT
#176
On January 10 2012 08:51 lavit2099 wrote:
SCI3 was the "viewer's choice" type of thing, that's why White-Ra was there. I don't see him making an appearance. While he's a great player, he rarely performs great in tournaments. Sort of like Destiny.

That being said, this being a "serious" tournament (and not the viewer's choice that 3 was), I wouldn't be against seeing a "struggling player" tossed in for a hope to shine. Like Tyler.


you cant be serious about comparing whitera to destiny...
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 10 2012 14:08 GMT
#177
On January 10 2012 23:01 DarKFoRcE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 08:51 lavit2099 wrote:
SCI3 was the "viewer's choice" type of thing, that's why White-Ra was there. I don't see him making an appearance. While he's a great player, he rarely performs great in tournaments. Sort of like Destiny.

That being said, this being a "serious" tournament (and not the viewer's choice that 3 was), I wouldn't be against seeing a "struggling player" tossed in for a hope to shine. Like Tyler.


you cant be serious about comparing whitera to destiny...


Ermm yeah, quite. White-ra is beating top players all the time, both online and in LANs. He isn't winning major tournaments right now but then again, few people actually are.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
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Profile Joined May 2010
Canada505 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 14:17:36
January 10 2012 14:17 GMT
#178
TB, I will now starve myself until you release another player name. I had a big breakfast but I'm probably going to be a bit peckish in a few hours and do you really want that on your conscience?
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
January 10 2012 14:41 GMT
#179
Another great tournament inc!
Luppa <3
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
January 10 2012 14:45 GMT
#180
if times are ok and u can play on US server in my matches ill participate if possible! :D
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