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Gropah
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands58 Posts
January 09 2012 19:39 GMT
#141
Grubby, nice. Already looking forward to see him. He's a beast lately
tabbott26
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom379 Posts
January 09 2012 19:41 GMT
#142
On January 10 2012 04:35 Jayjay54 wrote:
great lineup. we need goody though.


Do you really want the tournament to go on for three extra days??
EGHuK - EGIdra - EGDeMuslim - MVPGenius - Liquid'Sheth - ROOTKiwikaki
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 09 2012 19:48 GMT
#143
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 09 2012 20:03 GMT
#144
On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


The only way to avoid this as far as I know is to run both matches at the same time, something we can't do.

I doubt this will be an issue in our tournament, since players are also playing for tips as well as wins. You don't encourage viewers to tip you if you throw games.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 20:13:25
January 09 2012 20:12 GMT
#145
On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


I agree it's not the player's fault. This is something that should be sorted out within the tournament format. I don't really think Stephano or BratOK are particularly at fault for their incident because the tournament they were playing in put them in a position where they had a better chance at winning the tournament if they lost their games. A player should want to win all their games in an ideal situation, they should be expected to try their best even if there isn't that much to gain(particularly if they are being paid simply for participating) but if they're put in a situation where they could benefit from losing due to the format of the tournament, I don't think it's their fault for throwing.


On January 10 2012 05:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 04:48 Pokebunny wrote:
On January 10 2012 04:20 Mordiford wrote:
I like the comeback bounty idea and this does help with "meaningless matches", I'm just wondering if there is any way that the rest of the format can result in a Stephano/BratOK situation, where a player may want to actively lose a match once they're already guaranteed qualification so that they get a lower seed to avoid a specific player.

I'm trying to sort it out in my head and I can think of maybe one situation where this could occur in the format though I may certainly be wrong and perhaps the way the games are scheduled will sort this out. I just feel that a player should obviously never be in a situation where losing can be more beneficial than winning, not sure if this could occur or not in this tournament format.

Once again though, cheers on a great tournament with a solid prize pool. I'm also really happy with the first two invites, good job.

Honestly, I don't think that's ever the players fault to throw a match when it legitimately benefits them to lose a match.. not sure how it could be solved though.


The only way to avoid this as far as I know is to run both matches at the same time, something we can't do.

I doubt this will be an issue in our tournament, since players are also playing for tips as well as wins. You don't encourage viewers to tip you if you throw games.


I understand that playing both groups at the same time is not feasible, another alternative, and one to consider in the future may be having a separate small prize for winning your group. In this manner, throwing a game to get an opponent you're more comfortable against, would cost you a potential 50-150 dollars. This would force players to weight their options much more carefully, a confirmed bonus for winning, or a potentially easier opponent that they could still lose to.

The tips should help in this situation regardless, but I don't know if I would personally withhold tipping a player myself if they threw a game so they could have a better chance at the whole tournament, I'd probably be understanding to why they did it.
SwampyNZ
Profile Joined September 2011
New Zealand47 Posts
January 09 2012 20:14 GMT
#146
Chad"mother F@#Kin Jones" please.
Chanted
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway1001 Posts
January 09 2012 20:16 GMT
#147
you rock good sir
Vento7
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil45 Posts
January 09 2012 20:31 GMT
#148
WTH TB!?!?! Starting with the big guns? Now i'm wondering if Tastosis will play together in this touny. Definitely watching this.
ThorZaIN | DRG | Mvp | Squirtle | Jaedong | Bomber
panazoix
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden7 Posts
January 09 2012 20:31 GMT
#149
Excellent! Will have to buy drinks and snacks and book the weekend for pure awsomeness.
"If i disable my anti-virus, 4 trojanas will run frealy on my harddrive"
LlOoKkIi
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Korea (South)473 Posts
January 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#150
Awesome already two amazing players, can't wait to see who else is lined up for this is these are only the first two.
Korean Highschool Exchange Student. Apink's Eunji #1
WallieP
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands425 Posts
January 09 2012 20:52 GMT
#151
WOW! So nice, Grubby!!! So looking forward for this allready!!!
i came i saw i conquered
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 09 2012 21:14 GMT
#152
Grubby and Thorzain, fuck yeah, 2 awesome picks. A little disappointed in the map pool, you could have been much more daring, this kind of tournament is perfect to hold at least 1 community map.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
SelfIgnition
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland9 Posts
January 09 2012 21:33 GMT
#153
Try getting Mana plz he is a great EU player and would really entertain us a lot
xdarestx
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland3 Posts
January 09 2012 21:38 GMT
#154
Looking forward to this!
Mushrooms are forever.
ASUS_Kinc
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden19 Posts
January 09 2012 21:49 GMT
#155
Weekend saved, thank you TB

Thorzain <3 (biased by nationality)
http://facebook.com/rognordic
Ireniicus
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom374 Posts
January 09 2012 21:49 GMT
#156
Sounds awesome TB. Homestory last weekend now this...we live in fun times
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 09 2012 21:53 GMT
#157
Hoping for a Thorzain / Incontrol grudge match. :D
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
Oww
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland12 Posts
January 09 2012 22:02 GMT
#158
Mana is must have player for SHOUTcraft.
Why so serious?
Lavit2099
Profile Joined November 2011
United States390 Posts
January 09 2012 22:49 GMT
#159
On January 10 2012 06:53 Yonnua wrote:
Hoping for a Thorzain / Incontrol grudge match. :D


I doubt with the bad blood between the two that TB would invite Incontrol, and if he did (to be the better man as it were) Incontrol would decline.

I'm a fan of both, don't get me wrong, but there seems to be enough issues between the two that they'd, by choice, try to steer clear of each other. Which makes me sad, because I think TB on SotG would be awesome.
InsidiA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1169 Posts
January 09 2012 22:53 GMT
#160
GRUBBY YES :D
GraphicsInsidiA | StarCraft 2 Manager for Team eLevate | Graphic Designer for Red Bull eSports & HTC | @iamjasonpun
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