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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
March 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#321
On March 04 2012 04:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.

People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.


Progamers are payed to win, you are one of the people that preach that we should not hate players for cheesing.
Robson13
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom248 Posts
March 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#322
lol Cytoplasm just said they should use the other versions of Metalopolis so why didnt h change before the game, it doesnt matter if it isnt in the rules they could have both agreed to change it then it would be fair.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
March 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#323
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo

You don't need to study it hard to realise what version it is. You can actually just read the map pool once. You know, just point your eyes in its general direction.
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
March 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#324
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo

Even if incontrol read "metalopolis" in the map pool, i feel like he wouldn't go "oh shit, the metalopolis that has gold bases that no one uses"

i feel like he would read it and just assume that it would be the MLG version since that is what every tournament uses.
Maruprime.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
March 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#325
On March 04 2012 04:55 Neino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:53 Trizz wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote:
Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)

Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.


Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield.
Watch the VoD, you'll see.
iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.


You know.. When the laggscreen comes up, you usually get a spike or two before it does so. In that situation, the lagg came when he needed to place the forcefields, then the game froze. It's just how the game does it, was incredibly unlucky


I agree. That simple fact alone should ve been a reason for a re.

I've got moves like Jagger
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
March 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#326
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote:
from one of the admins:
[12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff
[12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2
[12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available
[12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread
[12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.

SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules


You were screwed there man. Don't let it get you too down. I've been watching your stream and recent tournaments a lot and it seems you're breaking through that wall finally. GG's.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 03 2012 19:58 GMT
#327
On March 04 2012 04:55 Antyee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:54 ThatGuy89 wrote:
this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last.
Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too.
Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.

And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.

Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.



Coming from someone with 10+ posts in Incontrol's fanclub, your trashtalking is laughable...

if this had happened in a TvZ and the zerg had done the same or if it'd happened to someone on TL i would still be backing the non zerg.

to say this wasnt a low thing to do, is just stupidity. even kennigit is agreeing with incontrol

go take your detective skills somewhere else
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
March 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#328
Feisty! :D

If it's in the pool it's in the pool. Losers choice. Deal with it.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
saynomore
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway149 Posts
March 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#329
Thanks imba.tv. Made my day these games. Been a good starcraft day for me.
First a good GSL finals, strong ladder run and then this showmatch.
I dont like you
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
March 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#330
On March 04 2012 04:58 Robson13 wrote:
lol Cytoplasm just said they should use the other versions of Metalopolis so why didnt h change before the game, it doesnt matter if it isnt in the rules they could have both agreed to change it then it would be fair.


Well, if i were playing for 300$ i wouldnt change the rules to my disadvantage. I guess everyone else in here would ;-)
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
March 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#331
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote:
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.


maybe cyto went into the showmatch assuming he was goona be playing on gold metal, wouldn't be fair to just take that away.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 03 2012 19:59 GMT
#332
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote:
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.


Thank you. Incontrol blows this out of proportion. If he would have walked away and taken it like a pro gg to him. QQ in this thread makes the whole situation laughable at best.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#333
On March 04 2012 04:58 coddan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo

You don't need to study it hard to realise what version it is. You can actually just read the map pool once. You know, just point your eyes in its general direction.

Map Pool and Vetoing
1. Shakuras Plataeu
2. Metalopolis
3. GSL Antiga Shipyard
4. Tal’Darim Altar
5. Winter BelShir Beach
6. MLG Daybreak
7. Entombed Valley
8. GSL Terminus SE
9. GSL Crevasse
10. The Shattered Temple
11. Xel’Naga Caverns

so you'd read that and think its the blizz version? you wouldnt think that its the same metal that EVERY tournament in the world uses?
to look at that and think its the normal version, you gotta be high or something
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#334
Metal is a bad map to start with. MLG Metal is slightly better, still Z favored. Its a pretty stupid rule not to be able to correct a mistake in the maps.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 20:00:58
March 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#335
On March 04 2012 04:59 SirBlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote:
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.


Thank you. Incontrol blows this out of proportion. If he would have walked away and taken it like a pro gg to him. QQ in this thread makes the whole situation laughable at best.


Totally agree he allrdy lost 3 maps and im sure they all wasnt metal with gold.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
March 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#336
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote:
from one of the admins:
[12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff
[12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2
[12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available
[12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread
[12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.

SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
Can the trolls and haters STFU now? The tournament fucked up hard, end of story.
MAL Profile: http://myanimelist.net/profile/Kamais_Ookin Twitch account streaming fighting games and PC games, etc twitch.tv/kamais_ookin
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
March 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#337
On March 04 2012 04:52 Moriarty wrote:
Take any advantage you can. Doesn't matter if it's unsportsmanlike, it's a competition for money.


You take your advantage, but you don't have to sound like an entitled prick while doing it... I mean, if he had just said nothing and let the organizers let the rules take their place there wouldn't have been a third of the drama there is now...
A time to live.
Zostix
Profile Joined June 2011
16 Posts
March 03 2012 20:00 GMT
#338
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo


You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?

You calling other people stupid is laughable.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
March 03 2012 20:01 GMT
#339
On March 04 2012 05:00 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:58 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo

You don't need to study it hard to realise what version it is. You can actually just read the map pool once. You know, just point your eyes in its general direction.

Map Pool and Vetoing
1. Shakuras Plataeu
2. Metalopolis
3. GSL Antiga Shipyard
4. Tal’Darim Altar
5. Winter BelShir Beach
6. MLG Daybreak
7. Entombed Valley
8. GSL Terminus SE
9. GSL Crevasse
10. The Shattered Temple
11. Xel’Naga Caverns

so you'd read that and think its the blizz version? you wouldnt think that its the same metal that EVERY tournament in the world uses?
to look at that and think its the normal version, you gotta be high or something



Every other map says "MLG" or "GSL" where relevant. So... Yes. Because I can read.
oniman999
Profile Joined May 2011
United States169 Posts
March 03 2012 20:01 GMT
#340
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.


Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.
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