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quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
March 03 2012 20:03 GMT
#341
Stop this plz. The match is over. There is nothing we can do, so just quit the trashtalking ffs.

Both Cytoplasm and Incontrol played pretty well. If not for this problem, it would've been a flawless match. What a shame
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coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
March 03 2012 20:03 GMT
#342
On March 04 2012 05:01 oniman999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.


Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.

Map pool is not "fine print". It's the map pool.
theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-03 20:16:36
March 03 2012 20:04 GMT
#343
On March 04 2012 05:00 Kamais Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote:
from one of the admins:
[12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff
[12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2
[12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available
[12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread
[12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.

SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
Can the trolls and haters STFU now? The tournament fucked up hard, end of story.



So because someone thought of changing the rules the actual rules weren't in effect?

Is this a Canadian thing or what? Can you get charged by laws not yet enacted but are in the thoughts of some politician?
Winners train. Loosers complain.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 03 2012 20:04 GMT
#344
On March 04 2012 05:00 Zostix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo


You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?

You calling other people stupid is laughable.

when every tournament uses a certain version of the map, it becomes understood.
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 03 2012 20:05 GMT
#345
On March 04 2012 05:00 Zostix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo


You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?

You calling other people stupid is laughable.


lol so you expect every player to PM the admins about every map just to make sure? why couldnt they just make sure they'd written which version it was, like they've already admitted they meant to, and that it was meant to be the MLG one. They've admitted they messed up, why cant the incontrol haters see that, and see that this was entirely their fault and that cytoplasm was just being pedantic and pathetic
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
March 03 2012 20:05 GMT
#346
On March 04 2012 04:59 OrangeSoda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote:
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.


maybe cyto went into the showmatch assuming he was goona be playing on gold metal, wouldn't be fair to just take that away.


But really, does that matter? Hes not asking for a different map overall. Everyone, including Cyto, knows that with gold it's imba. I just think it seems pretty pathetic that he feels he shouldn't switch. Maybe thats just me, but there comes a point where just being respectful is important. (Goes for both parties I feel)
I'm a gooner.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
March 03 2012 20:06 GMT
#347
On March 04 2012 04:57 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.

People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.


Progamers are payed to win, you are one of the people that preach that we should not hate players for cheesing.


Guess BoxeR's only half a progamer then. Sure, Cytoplasm won, but do you think his fans are satisfied with a roachling all in on a map that's basically built for it to 99% of the time win/get you pressure so you can saturate the gold?

Do you think this has gotten him more fame or flame in arguing for the map instead of letting the tournament organizers handle it?

If Progamers play to win you get 6 probe rushes. If Progamers play to win you get team jumps every 3 months. Forward thinking progamers should know that SC2 isn't solid enough for that yet. This stuff is bad for them in the long run anyway.

A time to live.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
March 03 2012 20:06 GMT
#348
On March 04 2012 05:05 ronpaul012 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:59 OrangeSoda wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote:
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.


maybe cyto went into the showmatch assuming he was goona be playing on gold metal, wouldn't be fair to just take that away.


But really, does that matter? Hes not asking for a different map overall. Everyone, including Cyto, knows that with gold it's imba. I just think it seems pretty pathetic that he feels he shouldn't switch. Maybe thats just me, but there comes a point where just being respectful is important. (Goes for both parties I feel)
I'm sure someone like Sheth would switch in a heartbeat without arguing because he's a really great man, Cyto disgusts me.
MAL Profile: http://myanimelist.net/profile/Kamais_Ookin Twitch account streaming fighting games and PC games, etc twitch.tv/kamais_ookin
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
March 03 2012 20:07 GMT
#349
I think they need to make this right to Inc somehow. It's pretty clear the admins effed up hard. Not sure if it would have made a big difference but it's pretty clear that it was supposed to be MLG Metalopolis. Can't 100% blame Cytoplasm for pushing the issue with money on the line but I think the admins have a responsiblity to make it up to Incontrol and the fans in someway.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
March 03 2012 20:07 GMT
#350
So the end score was 4-3 to Cyto or is the argument just a hidden bash on metal with gold?
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
oniman999
Profile Joined May 2011
United States169 Posts
March 03 2012 20:07 GMT
#351
On March 04 2012 05:03 coddan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:01 oniman999 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.


Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.

Map pool is not "fine print". It's the map pool.


Oblivious to analogy troll is oblivious. If you want to continue arguing an invalid point, PM me.
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
March 03 2012 20:08 GMT
#352
I love how Incontrol and his fan boys act like he's been playing in big tournaments without gold bases for 6 months or however long he said that these guys are behind the times with, when only MLG for instance have just changed the high yield bases this season.

So really, tournaments and others organizers etc are still making the switch so people need to shut the fuck up and stop acting as if this is still something from the beta that is hindering the game.

User was warned for this post
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
March 03 2012 20:09 GMT
#353
This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
RedBlargh
Profile Joined July 2011
99 Posts
March 03 2012 20:09 GMT
#354
Enjoyed the come-back Incontrol was in the process of. Unforunate how it ended due to an imbalanced map, but overall good tournament. Goggle-Beard man is a pretty awesome caster too, wasn't quite aware of Imba.TV before this.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 03 2012 20:09 GMT
#355
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 03 2012 20:09 GMT
#356
On March 04 2012 05:05 ThatGuy89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:00 Zostix wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:57 ThatGuy89 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo


You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?

You calling other people stupid is laughable.


lol so you expect every player to PM the admins about every map just to make sure? why couldnt they just make sure they'd written which version it was, like they've already admitted they meant to, and that it was meant to be the MLG one. They've admitted they messed up, why cant the incontrol haters see that, and see that this was entirely their fault and that cytoplasm was just being pedantic and pathetic

Why do you think everyone disagreeing with you is a Incontrol hater?

You can't have players demanding changes in the map pool in the middle of a showmatch, no matter how imbalanced the player might think the maps are. There is nothing pathetic about what Cytoplasm did, he played to win and the tournament admins will most likely fix the map pool for future events.
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
March 03 2012 20:10 GMT
#357
On March 04 2012 05:03 quannguyen wrote:
Stop this plz. The match is over. There is nothing we can do, so just quit the trashtalking ffs.

Both Cytoplasm and Incontrol played pretty well. If not for this problem, it would've been a flawless match. What a shame


We need trashtalk and drama so this doesn't ever get a chance to happen again. This embarrassment is what helps tournament organizers get thumbs downed and make their events crisper.

It's because of this relatively large screw up that the rest of the series' won't have to have their legitimacy besmirched by an idiotic map pool.

I'm just sad it took a series deciding freewin to get it into IMBA KOTH's eyes and ears...
A time to live.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 03 2012 20:10 GMT
#358
On March 04 2012 05:09 goswser wrote:
This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl.


The map was in the pool.

On March 04 2012 05:07 Xcobidoo wrote:
So the end score was 4-3 to Cyto or is the argument just a hidden bash on metal with gold?


Score 4-2.
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
March 03 2012 20:11 GMT
#359
On March 04 2012 05:06 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:57 MrDudeMan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:54 iNcontroL wrote:
Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.

People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.


Progamers are payed to win, you are one of the people that preach that we should not hate players for cheesing.


Guess BoxeR's only half a progamer then. Sure, Cytoplasm won, but do you think his fans are satisfied with a roachling all in on a map that's basically built for it to 99% of the time win/get you pressure so you can saturate the gold?

Do you think this has gotten him more fame or flame in arguing for the map instead of letting the tournament organizers handle it?

If Progamers play to win you get 6 probe rushes. If Progamers play to win you get team jumps every 3 months. Forward thinking progamers should know that SC2 isn't solid enough for that yet. This stuff is bad for them in the long run anyway.



I, for one, was very satisfied. Add to that the tantrum Incontrol threw and you have plenty of entertainment.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
March 03 2012 20:11 GMT
#360
On March 04 2012 05:07 oniman999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 05:03 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 05:01 oniman999 wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.


Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.

Map pool is not "fine print". It's the map pool.


Oblivious to analogy troll is oblivious. If you want to continue arguing an invalid point, PM me.

Because it was a stupid analogy. Incontrol had known something was off had he done the smallest amount of preparation possible for a match - simply reading the map pool.
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