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HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
March 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#301
lol the whining. Cytoplasm still won 3 maps without metal.

And people complaying about Cytoplasm really? Its in the rules Incontrol knew the map was in the map pool.


SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
March 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#302
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


You sound like destiny when he loses on ladder on a map that isn't in the map pool of every god damn tournament. You played good but no reason to throw shit a cyto for playing the map pool in his favor.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#303
this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last.
Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too.
Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.

And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.

Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#304
Competition is competition, and you have only three options. You either accept the maps or don't participate in the tournament. If you have a problem with the maps, you take it up before the tournament begins, you don't start whining about it when it's time to play on it.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#305
Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.

People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.
Kamais Ookin
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada591 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#306
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
I don't think you should be at fault, they made a bad choice not changing the map.
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Torai
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark195 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#307
On March 04 2012 04:52 Kennigit wrote:
You guys should change the name of this to "Imba Talks"



what are you referring to
Community & Tournament Manager at IMBAtv - http://facebook.com/IMBAtvTorai
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
March 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#308
On March 04 2012 04:54 ThatGuy89 wrote:
this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last.
Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too.
Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.

And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.

Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.



Pretty much summed up my feelings as well. This was my first time watching one of these and I can't say I'll be coming back.
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Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#309
On March 04 2012 04:53 Trizz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote:
Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)

Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.


Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield.
Watch the VoD, you'll see.
iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.


You know.. When the laggscreen comes up, you usually get a spike or two before it does so. In that situation, the lagg came when he needed to place the forcefields, then the game froze. It's just how the game does it, was incredibly unlucky
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#310
On March 04 2012 04:54 Torai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:52 Kennigit wrote:
You guys should change the name of this to "Imba Talks"



what are you referring to

the imbalanced map
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#311
On March 04 2012 04:53 Trizz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote:
Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)

Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.


Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield.
Watch the VoD, you'll see.
iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.


Nope. It was actually during the moment I needed to FF.

Thanks though! You were playing and all so you know...
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#312
On March 04 2012 04:49 Hrrrrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:40 ShatterZer0 wrote:
Respect for iNcontroL. Loss of any respect whatsoever for Cytoplasm.

No doubt that if roles were reverse iNcontroL would be all for switching out maps to make for a good series...

Why on EARTH does Koth still have normal Metal anyways?

Hopefully Cyto just gets stomped...


Respect for Incontrol for not making sure what maps are being played before accepting an invite into a KOTH? It's his responsibility to voice his concerns BEFORE games are played, not after you're more than halfway through the series. He fucked up and it's ultimately his responsibility. Saying that, I hope they do fix the map in the future. You have to do things the right way and causing some drama in the middle of the series because you weren't aware exactly what maps are being played is not the right way.


Way I see it, the players shouldn't have to watch their backs when going into legitimately funded tournaments. What does this say about the management of KOTH IMBA invitational?

Loss of respect for Cytoplasm because he's the ugly face of win at all costs, who gives a shit if we're playing a terrible map that is basically a free win for me. I don't care about my fans getting to see a terrible foregone conclusion of a map. He SHOULD protest the map WHILE abiding by the rules. Fact is, he argued FOR the map when he really should have at least kept his mouth shut.

>.>
A time to live.
coddan
Profile Joined May 2010
Estonia890 Posts
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#313
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
March 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#314
On March 04 2012 04:54 ThatGuy89 wrote:
this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last.
Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too.
Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.

And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.

Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.



Coming from someone with 10+ posts in Incontrol's fanclub, your trashtalking is laughable...
"My spoon is too big."
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
March 03 2012 19:56 GMT
#315
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.


lol
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 03 2012 19:56 GMT
#316
from one of the admins:
[12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff
[12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2
[12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available
[12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread
[12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.

SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
theJob
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
March 03 2012 19:56 GMT
#317
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


Definitely think they should remove that map from the pool and it's sad to see you robbed from this game. That said, cyto has every right to choose that map without getting any flack. Just as a terran is allowed to cheese to win games.

I've regarded you as one of the few "grown ups" of e-sports but some of the comments you dropped just seemed like a little child throwing a fit to me. Just saying that you don't agree with the pool and keep it at that would've ben enough imo.
Winners train. Loosers complain.
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
March 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#318
On March 04 2012 04:54 Torai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:52 Kennigit wrote:
You guys should change the name of this to "Imba Talks"



what are you referring to

The massive gold base on metal?
ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
March 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#319
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
I'm a gooner.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
March 03 2012 19:57 GMT
#320
On March 04 2012 04:55 coddan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote:
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.


BREAKING NEWS.

Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.

are you stupid?
do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard?
you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder

gtfo

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