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On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote:
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end. It's not all about winning. Where's the class? Where's the fucking prestige? I wouldn't be surprised if he lost some fans, personally I was neutral towards him but now I don't like him anymore, I value things other then wins in pro players.
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On March 04 2012 05:11 Kamais Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote:
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end. It's not all about winning. Where's the class? Where's the fucking prestige? I wouldn't be surprised if he lost some fans, personally I was neutral towards him but now I don't like him anymore, I value things other then wins in pro players.
Incontrol plays to win
He's given speeches about this on his stream
He wouldn't have changed it, if it was in his favor.
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i was pleased with the first 5 maps.
cyto played well, incontrol got better over time and it was shaping up to be quite interesting.
Then cyto decided to throw away all the credits i gave him for the latest results by wanting to play on a goldbase-map to then abuse it to the fullest.
Who is to blame:
1) Cytoplasm: Any mannered player wouldve played on a blue mineral map - wheather its in the rules or not.
2) The organisation: Fix your mappool...
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On March 04 2012 05:10 SirBlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:09 goswser wrote:
This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl. The map was in the pool. Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:07 Xcobidoo wrote:
So the end score was 4-3 to Cyto or is the argument just a hidden bash on metal with gold? Score 4-2.
But the map was actually not in the pool....it was just a typo in the thread. Read the thread before you clutter it with false assertions.
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Stop with the player bashing, rage at the rules or IMBAtv if you like. If you're an Incontrol fan the way you are acting makes him look worse imo.
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Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
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On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote:
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
Again, nobody should have any beef with Cytoplasm for playing a map he was supposed to play on. In fact, anyone who does is an idiot... the part people are pissed about was that they expected more from him. They were in a lobby for MLG Metal and he could have simply told the organizers that this was the wrong map... instead he simply refused to play on anything BUT normal Metal...
Could have had the same result and 90% less drama, but played it out in a way that made people lose respect for him. Kinda chose between lawful good and lawful evil... and chose lawful evil. xDDD
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On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote:from one of the admins: [12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff [12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2 [12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available [12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread [12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now. SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules 
WAS supposed to be in the rules.
nice, but you still failed to read the actual map pool that clearly stated which map is which version.
Stop blaming on other people or even trying to defend yourself, Geoff, come on.
You think you got screwed hard? Come work in the business world where contact holds hidden clauses and hide away in other clauses.
Chances are even if you read the whole contact, you would still get screwed.
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As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
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On March 04 2012 05:10 SirBlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:09 goswser wrote:
This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl. The map was in the pool. Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:07 Xcobidoo wrote:
So the end score was 4-3 to Cyto or is the argument just a hidden bash on metal with gold? Score 4-2.
So that map did not directly make iNcontroL lose the game/series. Just seems like this is blown way out of proportion since there seems to have been a fuss about it on stream.
Did the world end in bloody riots every time a zerg had to play xel'naga for waaaay too long in competitive play? No.
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On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote:
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
Allow me to show you a fantastic example of true sportsmanship, where winning was still incredibly important, but wasn't the #1 thing. Who knows, maybe Cyto goes on to win anyway. But the fact is that if you want to say you are better, why stoop down to certain measures? That match was a poor display of esports from all 3 parties, the 2 players and tournament organizers. Example
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On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would.
I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans...
This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
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On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Stop making assumtions about the character of players you obviosly know so little about. We'll never know if Incontrol would have done the same or not but that's not even the real issue. The issue is that the map wasn't supposed to be in the map pool to begin with. I don't blame Cyto for his choice as it was in his favor. I wouldn't blame Inc for the same choice (though as a fan of his I wouldn't like it very much) but I have a problem with the map being in the pool to begin with. IMBA effed up. Whether or not Inc would have won without such a cruddy map is another topic as well but well never know as they decided to go with it anyway. I feel we as well as Incontrol were cheated out of a decent game and a possible game 7. Again I can't promise Inc would have won game six on the other version but I'm willing to bet he would have played better without the drama.
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On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote:
As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
Wait, WHAT? So we're going to have THREE more best of 7's with this abomination of a map pool? Is anyone going to tell Mana about this? I mean, the chances are low that he's forfeit in protest... but with this map pool it'd be nothing more than an idra style "I respect that you're a good enough player to not fuck this up" GG.
I mean... it's like letting the Zerg player go into the series with a freewin on the first set...
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On March 04 2012 05:16 ronpaul012 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote:
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end. Allow me to show you a fantastic example of true sportsmanship, where winning was still incredibly important, but wasn't the #1 thing. Who knows, maybe Cyto goes on to win anyway. But the fact is that if you want to say you are better, why stoop down to certain measures? That match was a poor display of esports from all 3 parties, the 2 players and tournament organizers. Example
Yeah, compare Cytoplasm wanting to follow the rules he was given to cheating for a goal. That's a great comparison.
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On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote:
As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3 After today's clusterfuck I surely would have thought the map pool would be updated ASAP, guess you guys aren't taking things seriously. Lost any shred of respect I had for you guys.
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On March 04 2012 05:18 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote:
As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3 Wait, WHAT? So we're going to have THREE more best of 7's with this abomination of a map pool? Is anyone going to tell Mana about this? I mean, the chances are low that he's forfeit in protest... but with this map pool it'd be nothing more than an idra style "I respect that you're a good enough player to not fuck this up" GG. I mean... it's like letting the Zerg player go into the series with a freewin on the first set...
today was the end of season 2 aka next month we go into season 3 - and the mappool will be updated there
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On March 04 2012 05:20 Kamais Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote:
As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3 After today's clusterfuck I surely would have thought the map pool would be updated ASAP, guess you guys aren't taking things seriously. Lost any shred of respect I had for you guys.
today was the end of season 2 aka next month we go into season 3 - and the mappool will be updated there
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On March 04 2012 05:18 hrvoje07 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote:
Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
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On March 04 2012 05:23 Torai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 05:20 Kamais Ookin wrote:On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote:
As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3 After today's clusterfuck I surely would have thought the map pool would be updated ASAP, guess you guys aren't taking things seriously. Lost any shred of respect I had for you guys. today was the end of season 2 aka next month we go into season 3 - and the mappool will be updated there
What on donotes the beginning and end of a season and why is no information on as such in the OP, the last KOTH's OP, or even a Liquipedia thread?
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