Season 3 SOON! IMBAtv presents the third season of our ‘’Money Talks’’ King of The Hill event. As always all the matches will be in a BO7 format. We have gathered some amazing players for this season full of potential but only one will be crowed the new King of The Hill. We at IMBAtv would like to wish the players good luck and to all the fans out there hope you enjoy the show and happy voting.
The Format - Nine Players - Three of Each Race ( Zerg, Protoss and Terran) - Fans vote on the thread who they want to see playing - Up to $400 prize pool - All show match series are BO7 format - Every Thursday at 19:00 UTC - The event is always live! No replays
How Voting Works When the thread is updated with all the players, week one of the event begins and the poll is opened. This means that the fans will have a few days to vote for their favorite players. The top two voted players will start of the King of The Hill in a BO7 series. The loser will be knocked out of the event and removed from the poll. If the winner chooses to play for more money next week then the poll will reopen and the player with the highest votes will stand up to face the winner from week one. This means every time the BO7 series are over and a winner has emerged the poll will be open for a new fan favorite to face the winner. There is the possibility that the winner can cash out the money they have already won. If this happens then the two top voted players from the poll will play against each other in the next week of the event. The final player will be chosen by IMBAtv at least five days before the event starts. The player slot will be announced on this thread.
Prize Pool Explained Week 1: Player one wins – He can then either choose to take the $100 home or – put it back in the pot for next week for a chance to double his money if he wins again. Week 2: A new poll begins with the remaining players who haven’t yet had the chance to play. Player one (winner from week 1) then has a spot automatically from the last week and goes up against the top voted player from the poll. Player one wins again which means he can take home $200 or once again he can choose to put it in the pot for a chance to win $300 in week three. Week 3: The fans once again vote for the player they want to see face off against the current champion. Player one wins again and this means he can put the $300 back in the pot to increase it to $400 in the final week or he can take the winnings and leave. He decided to play the final week. (Week four) Week 4: This is the final week of the event. If player one has managed to get to this stage then this means he is playing for the full $400. The winner of week four will end the third season of the King of the Hill event. If At any given point player two wins then player one loses everything and player two can choose to take home $100 or bet it back in to the pot for a chance to increase his winnings and so on. When player one is in the final week four of the event and is competing for the full $400 and loses to his opponent then he will be rewarded $100 as a consolation prize for his efforts.
Rules - Players are not allowed to stream their show match games under any conditions - Players must show up 10 minutes before the event starts so that they can veto maps with their opponent - After a player has lost a BO7 series they will be eliminated from the King of the Hill and lose the money they have bet (if any) - After a BO7 series has ended between two players the winner must decide whether they want to keep the money and leave the event or put their winnings back in the pot and play next week for a chance to increase their winnings - Players must notify IMBAtv staff if they have technical difficulties or any other serious problems which constricts them to play in the event in any way. The player must give at least a 2 hour notice before the event starts so that plans to reschedule are made in good time - If a player doesn’t show up on time for the event and no notice has been given to the admins by that player, then the player will be disqualified and replaced by the next top voted player from the poll. This can also cause the player to lose any money they have bet - In the event where a player disconnects mid show and does not come back online for 30 minutes we will ask the player who is still in the tournament if he wants to reschedule the rest of the series or receive a BYE - If a player receives a BYE he will have to play next week against the top voted player from the poll. If a player receives a BYE he cannot take the money he wins from that series, he will have to continue to the next week of the event. - The rules and map pool cannot be changed once the season has begun - If the top voted player in week four wins against the winner of the previous week then he will be re invited to take part in the next King of the Hill series.
Map Pool and Vetoing 1. MLG Shakuras Plataeu 2. ESL Entombed Valley 3. Tal’ Darim Altar LE 4. Cloud Kingdom LE 5. GSL Daybreak 6. GSL Metropolis 7. GSL Antiga Shipyard 8. Ohana LE 9. GSL Bel’Shir Beach (Winter)
Both players will start vetoing maps until one map is left. That is where game one will be played on. After game one loser picks the next map. The highest voted player/the reigning champion from the week before will always begin the veto process first.
The player list will be released and updated within the next week. After all the players are confirmed the season will officially begin and the polls will open for the fans to vote. Stay tune for more info on the thread.
Sounds awesome! The ISC is such a good event on its own, bringing some of the best matches ive seen! Cant wait til later to hear more about this. Keep up the IMBA work team
This sounds like a really good idea, but I'm curious what's to keep players to bet, other than a guaranteed spot in the next KotH event. It seems like you "just" get another round of the same money, whereas usually a player would be rewarded for a wager. I'm not saying the money should be doubled again, just add in a few extra cash (like 25$ or so). This would be to ensure, that a popular player, simply enters each time and wins each time.. But takes the title and tries to hold it for as long as possible. :-)
On December 07 2011 04:42 redit wrote: This sounds like a really good idea, but I'm curious what's to keep players to bet, other than a guaranteed spot in the next KotH event. It seems like you "just" get another round of the same money, whereas usually a player would be rewarded for a wager. I'm not saying the money should be doubled again, just add in a few extra cash (like 25$ or so). This would be to ensure, that a popular player, simply enters each time and wins each time.. But takes the title and tries to hold it for as long as possible. :-)
The reason why they will stay involved with it is because the player who wins week one and wants to double his money can do so by betting it or moving it forward. The issue your bringing up is them playing week 1 winning taking the money and winning week 2 and taking the money. Once a player plays they will not be able to play again for another month or 2. This will make them stay to there play and try to win all 650$
On December 07 2011 04:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: The reason why they will stay involved with it is because the player who wins week one and wants to double his money can do so by betting it or moving it forward. The issue your bringing up is them playing week 1 winning taking the money and winning week 2 and taking the money. Once a player plays they will not be able to play again for another month or 2. This will make them stay to there play and try to win all 650$
OMG IMBAtv is so awesome. Wait can i say that? :D Too bad i just did! I cant freaking wait to cast the pants off this series and the fact taht we have really bound together as a team to create alot of amazing content for all of us to enjoy and keep the idea of esports and weekly online events working. Much love guys and lets give em hell!
weird, convoluted concept... but hey man.. it looks like fun and encourages audience/TL participation so why not
How much notice will the players receive they are playing each other? If they have ample time to prepare for each other that'd be pretty cool. Also, BO7 Series absolutely kick ass... lots of depth and mind games inside such a deep long series.
Since the winning player always has the option of whether or not to put the cash on the line if he has other commitments to bigger events which make it impossible for him to properly prepare he can just walk away with his current money. So I like the "champions advantage" that is created by teh rules set.
Prize: $150 BUT the winner can choose to put his money back in the pot for next week for a chance to win a total of $300. Or even go all the way to week 3 and win $650
This is such a great idea! It seems like it's a good way to get higher-level players on the stream and involved with IMBA events at a slightly lower cost than we might expect. Of course, the really top-tier players will probably win the full $650 which makes it more expensive, but it's worth it when those top-top-tier players do show up, like White-Ra! IMBA fighting!
Fucking sick format, oh my god this is so cool and exactly what the mid-profile tourney scene needs to become a bit more interesting again. <3<3 to IMBAtv!! ^^
One way to deal with archon toilet is to lure the protoss ball somewhere, and use the distraction and the fact that the mothership trails behind, and mind control it.
On December 23 2011 03:59 Elsid wrote: Why not lots of archons? :S
Yeah. since we know mass corruptors + infestors > mass carrier voidray I think he should just gone mass archon with some HT and Motherships. Last big battle he didnt even use the vortex or get it off!
On December 23 2011 03:59 Elsid wrote: Why not lots of archons? :S
Yeah. since we know mass corruptors + infestors > mass carrier voidray I think he should just gone mass archon with some HT and Motherships. Last big battle he didnt even use the vortex or get it off!
enough amount of corrutors are able to kill mothership, before vortex (didnt see the part tho)
On December 23 2011 05:16 eYeball wrote: I saw Goody a couple days ago beat MaNa in a TvP bo3 series, doesn't say much but I think this will be much closer than people will think.
The reason this happened was because mech is not viable PvT. And goody unpredictable as hell
Dark Templar drop seals the deal on Crevasse, White-Ra takes the series 4-0.
I think there was some chat in game 4 from Kas saying something along the lines of '4 games 4 all-ins' and White-Ra responding 'this is not an all-in' and Kas responding 'cool story :D' but I'm not sure ^^
Congratulations to White-Ra for winning the grand prize of $650! And a big thanks to all the players that attended this months first run of Money Talks, can't wait to see future events and participants.
Don't forget to vote for them @ www.imba.tv and tell us who you want to see fight it out!
On December 30 2011 04:46 Torte de Lini wrote: Voted for violet :D
The voting was for White-Ra's opponent for tonight's match. GoOdy won the vote but was unable to make it so he was replaced by Kas. White-Ra defeated him 4-0 and has won $650 because of this. The 'Money Talks'-format will return the 2nd week of January if I understood correctly.
This is a very surprising result especially after Kas just won 4-3 vs Mana (who probably has the best foreign PvT) in the Twitchtv invitational. I didn't saw the matches, but I wonder if Kas tried his best here. He's probably a good friend of WhiteRa, and he had to choose between making WhiteRa lose 650$ or win 150$ himself (+ chance for more).
I think the tournament format needs to be changed, or at least don't make friends / teammates play against each other when they fight for different prize pools.
I'm not making any accusations, the result might be 100% legit, but it's better to avoid such suspicions next time.
On December 30 2011 04:22 Hufi wrote: Gratz to WhiteRa, but i'm a little sad that it was a 4-0 :/ I wanted to see more games
Check the calendar. Another WhiteRa vs Kas showmatch happens 17 hours from this post, aka tomorrow night. Not Imba, but it will be interesting to see a rematch so soon after this, kind of fortunate that Goody had to drop out in that sense.
On December 30 2011 04:03 dani` wrote: Dark Templar drop seals the deal on Crevasse, White-Ra takes the series 4-0.
I think there was some chat in game 4 from Kas saying something along the lines of '4 games 4 all-ins' and White-Ra responding 'this is not an all-in' and Kas responding 'cool story :D' but I'm not sure ^^
I am not sure exactly about translation of White-ra's response (maybe someone can translate), but that was basically what they said. Which is funny considering White-ra did not do any complete all-ins in those games, at worst semi all-in in last game and timing attacks in game 2,3 and game 1 was base race
EDIT: not to say White-ra did not play extremely risky, there were timing windows in all games I think where Kas could kill him or at least cause a lot of problems.
So, are the Money Talks continued in 2012 The poll is outdated and Duffs is having tech problems. Will there be any official statement from IMBAtv? Considering that today should be a stream up and we dont know anything, IMO there should be one.
On January 05 2012 20:04 SelfIgnition wrote: So, are the Money Talks continued in 2012 The poll is outdated and Duffs is having tech problems. Will there be any official statement from IMBAtv? Considering that today should be a stream up and we dont know anything, IMO there should be one.
Yea there will be a season 2 of Money Talks in 2012 we are actually working on it as we speak, we will make an announcement when everything is set for the event.
Cmon not PvP Voted for Nerchio pretty sure he can dominate in this lineup of players.. If he gets enough votes to get in lol. always suprised how small Nerchios fan base is compared to his skill/achievements ;D
On February 06 2012 04:01 VENDIZ wrote: Need option to vote for Snute
Next Week there will be! After the first show match there will be a new poll so watch out for that.
just curious, do the top two players in the poll face each other the first week? Or does the top one face an already determined player?
the top two players face each other in the first week so looking at it now incontrol vs goody then the winner of that will face the top voted player in week two. The poll closes Wednesday night so still plenty of time for the outcome to change!
The poll has really taken off and we can see who wants who to fight you guys pwn and lets get this next season of the Money talks better than the first!
Curious to hear why people would rather vote for two players whose play has been viewed and reviewed (not talking about the quality of it), instead of Tarson for example who's back on business and would be eager to deliver some serious s#%*, or Bling who's starting to shine left and right when opportunity is given to him.
On February 05 2012 03:52 Project Psycho wrote: Incontrol should really appreciate his fans(which am sure he does), he always has a ton of support no matter what.
Not sure that you got the point:
On February 03 2012 16:19 Galetmonster wrote: Incontrol, just to see him get trashed by europeans
lets assume player 1 wins in week 1, so he gets 100 dollars or gets to put his money in the pot for 200 dollars in week 2...
wtf is the point of that?
If player 1 wins week 1 and week2 and chooses 100 dollars after both wins he gets 200 dollars anyway and theres no risk of losing the money for nothing. (otherwise he could lose week 2 and lose everything for the same potential reward?!)
On February 06 2012 21:09 Tomken wrote: Is it live? Cause Snute is attending IEM Sao Paulo @ 09.02.12
Yes it will be live. Snute isnt in the first week of drawings anyway he will be added in the poll next week after the first match thanks for the info !
On February 06 2012 21:15 ChaosTerran wrote: the rules dont make any sense...
lets assume player 1 wins in week 1, so he gets 100 dollars or gets to put his money in the pot for 200 dollars in week 2...
wtf is the point of that?
If player 1 wins week 1 and week2 and chooses 100 dollars after both wins he gets 200 dollars anyway and theres no risk of losing the money for nothing. (otherwise he could lose week 2 and lose everything for the same potential reward?!)
what's the risk/reward in this?
From what I read, player 1 doesn't get invited to week2 if he chooses to take the 100 dollars home from winning the week1, instead will be invited to week2 the 2 winners of a new poll (minus him), instead of only 1 (him being automaticly invited to week2 if he had chosen to put his 100 dollars won in the pot).
On February 06 2012 21:15 ChaosTerran wrote: the rules dont make any sense...
lets assume player 1 wins in week 1, so he gets 100 dollars or gets to put his money in the pot for 200 dollars in week 2...
wtf is the point of that?
If player 1 wins week 1 and week2 and chooses 100 dollars after both wins he gets 200 dollars anyway and theres no risk of losing the money for nothing. (otherwise he could lose week 2 and lose everything for the same potential reward?!)
what's the risk/reward in this?
If player 1 wins over player 2 and takes the money, he is removed from the tournament, his reign is over..(the losing player2 gets knocked out of the poll aswell) the remaining 7 will now be able to compete in the poll for a spot
That's correct. I'm a big Goody fan but his TvP really didn't impress me lately (it never really has but since he switched to Bio-play versus P it's not even special anymore).
On February 10 2012 02:34 CosmoK wrote: I missed the first game, but did Bling play seriously? Nice to see Goody lead 2 to 0. Didn't think he'd be able to pull it off.
Bling was going for some suprise 1 base mothership and goody simple won because he denied bling's probe scout causing bling not to see the marauder push and then after that goody scouted the fleet beacon with a helion.
Goody really impresses me here. I expected much less from his bio, but he has good multitasking, never gets supply blocked in this series (is that really Goody?) and has nice micro.
On February 10 2012 03:00 vdale wrote: Goody really impresses me here. I expected much less from his Bio, but he has good multitasking, never gets supply blocked in this series (is that really Goody?) and has nice micro.
People never expect much from Goody, but how often does he actually disappoint?
I personally feel like Goody failing on multitasking and queuing units or getting supply blocked is a "thing" now, people notice it and just love to comment on it. The fact is that many pros do mistakes like that, they just don't always get called out on it. Goody has still his excellent decisionmaking to fall back on, and it wins him a lot of games.
On February 16 2012 19:06 samw wrote: Is this live? Or have they already given away the result haha? + Show Spoiler +
The player invited picture
I really hope they haven't I was looking forward to this
We are always live, its getting frustrating at this point because we have to repeat ourselves every time there is a showmatch. You can see it on the calendar it starts at 16:00 GMT.
On February 16 2012 19:06 samw wrote: Is this live? Or have they already given away the result haha? + Show Spoiler +
The player invited picture
I really hope they haven't I was looking forward to this
We are always live, its getting frustrating at this point because we have to repeat ourselves every time there is a showmatch. You can see it on the calendar it starts at 16:00 GMT.
Sorry but just stick it on the thread and noobs like me won't have to ask. Sometimes people cast replays and still put it on the calendar so I didn't know. Thanks for telling me
The third game between bling and cytoplasm was absolutely incredible. I'd highly reccomend it to anyone who wants to watch a protoss starve a zerg to death and some sweet neurals.
On February 24 2012 02:42 Snute wrote: Thanks imbatv and everyone who voted for me! super grateful for the opportunity. GGs wp and good luck to cyto =)
Well played Snute, good close match. Hoping to see you play more in the future.
On February 25 2012 05:54 zere wrote: Where can I find results for this?
Past results can be found on the poster. The greyed out names / pics are the ones who have been eliminated so far. I will talk to our events manager about putting the results for past bo7's up in a spoiler for next season
Hmmmm,then how come I see a Cytoplasm ID playing on RC Invitational (where cast and games are played in real time)?. It seems that he is replacing Bling who could not make it for today. Any thoughts?.
On March 02 2012 02:34 PushDown wrote: Hmmmm,then how come I see a Cytoplasm ID playing on RC Invitational (where cast and games are played in real time)?. It seems that he is replacing Bling who could not make it for today. Any thoughts?.
Btw our games are casted live and not replays its live action. What was going to happen is that he was going to do the KOTH Money talks event then go into the invitational as this was his 3rd week. He said to us that he had issues with his pc maybe he has fixed them. But the event has moved to saturday @ 18:00 GMT+0.
-mcDuffs ( my thought is that he was able to get his pc fixed but it was too late to continue in with the koth live event)
Hey! as Pushdown posted i was invited to RC invitational around 10 min before the start because they needed a fast player who could replace bling (who wasnt able to play), And since i didnt have anything to lose i said ok and played with computerproblems with fps drop to ~10. The reason we postponed the KOTH IMBATV was because of the technical issue with my computer and i dont wanna risk the money ive gathered in the previous KOTH because of some stupid fps drops !
On March 02 2012 02:34 PushDown wrote: Hmmmm,then how come I see a Cytoplasm ID playing on RC Invitational (where cast and games are played in real time)?. It seems that he is replacing Bling who could not make it for today. Any thoughts?.
Btw our games are casted live and not replays its live action. What was going to happen is that he was going to do the KOTH Money talks event then go into the invitational as this was his 3rd week. He said to us that he had issues with his pc maybe he has fixed them. But the event has moved to saturday @ 18:00 GMT+0.
-mcDuffs ( my thought is that he was able to get his pc fixed but it was too late to continue in with the koth live event)
I know you cast live too, I seem to have express myself in a misleading way. Sorry for the bad grammar.
On March 02 2012 05:46 Cytoplasm wrote: Hey! as Pushdown posted i was invited to RC invitational around 10 min before the start because they needed a fast player who could replace bling (who wasnt able to play), And since i didnt have anything to lose i said ok and played with computerproblems with fps drop to ~10. The reason we postponed the KOTH IMBATV was because of the technical issue with my computer and i dont wanna risk the money ive gathered in the previous KOTH because of some stupid fps drops !
It was the first time I saw you playing and I must say that I really injoyed your games. I'm looking foward to see you playing on saturday, hope you can fix your pc issues by them
I generally hate most all casters, and they tend to get on my nerves a lot more than improve the game. But, whoever this is solo casting is doing a very good job. He's not trying to act like he's smarter than the players, and he's not trying to predict the strategies, he's not talking down on the players. He's well spoken and very fluent and sounds genuinely excited during the action.
Incontrol why do you allways try all these cannon shananigans it doesnt work against competent players. And all it does it set you behind from the start..
On March 04 2012 03:36 HappyChris wrote: Incontrol why do you allways try all these cannon shananigans it doesnt work against competent players. And all it does it set you behind from the start..
On March 04 2012 03:36 HappyChris wrote: Incontrol why do you allways try all these cannon shananigans it doesnt work against competent players. And all it does it set you behind from the start..
because it does work..
Dear incontrol it doesnt work becuase you do it 99% of the time only time it works if you opponent somehow dont know you play style.
You done this so long I remember at NASL 1 against Sen and the list goes one.
Yes maybe once in a while it works but why take the chance?
You lost like so much minerals there and you only delayed the zergs expand a tiny bit..
Will Cytoplasm be at the coming MLG? Would be interesting to see him in a real measure of his skill. He's been around for a long time but never really hit the spotlight.
On March 04 2012 03:36 HappyChris wrote: Incontrol why do you allways try all these cannon shananigans it doesnt work against competent players. And all it does it set you behind from the start..
because it does work..
Dear incontrol it doesnt work becuase you do it 99% of the time only time it works if you opponent somehow dont know you play style.
You done this so long I remember at NASL 1 against Sen and the list goes one.
Yes maybe once in a while it works but why take the chance?
You lost like so much minerals there and you only delayed the zergs expand a tiny bit..
All it do it set you behind
i have to disagree with you if you know when to stop, it apparently puts you more often ahead then beind - and you set the pace of the game.
But i think you shouldnt always use this tool, just use it when u see the opporunity for it, since if zergs know it comes, its easy for them to go out of it even or slightly ahead.
incontrol plays okish, saw him play better games in the past weeks i guess.
But cytoplasm is rly, rly good since hes back from korea. he fights almost evenly with names like grubby and other top protosses. Quite impressive!
The cannons does hurt incontrol more because he delayed his own nexus, cost a pylon to a pool opening and doesn't delay zerg's natural at all since he just grab the 3rd as his expo.
I think what incontrol lacks is his mid game. Too much of 2 base all-in, the transition to getting a third feels really weak somehow. It's like he wants to do a kill move rather than a pressure build in order to get a third. I am not sure if it's his control or decision making that's holding him back
Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
Didn't complain you idiot. I can't take red (the color Iplayed on) when he has it selected. I could care less what color I am, the admin asked me to switch colors so I explained why I couldn't.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
He's complaining because its stupid ZvP, If the zerg fast expands to the gold there is not much the protoss can do.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
Didn't complain you idiot. I can't take red (the color Iplayed on) when he has it selected. I could care less what color I am, the admin asked me to switch colors so I explained why I couldn't.
Fuck off
I see you're declining the match invitation. What a mannered and amazing competitor you are.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
He's complaining because its stupid ZvP, If the zerg fast expands to the gold there is not much the protoss can do.
Then complain before the showmatch. Zergs played xelnaga caverns for the longest time despite it being a horribly imba map.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
He's complaining because its stupid ZvP, If the zerg fast expands to the gold there is not much the protoss can do.
it doesn't matter if it is in the pool and is in the official tournament rule, you just gotta stick to it or just leave the match. come on incontrol, you are better than this and you know that.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
He's complaining because its stupid ZvP, If the zerg fast expands to the gold there is not much the protoss can do.
Then complain before the showmatch. Zergs played xelnaga caverns for the longest time despite it being a horribly imba map.
Maybe he thought it was a version that didn't have the gold. It an imbalanced map should be removed no matter what the rules say.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
He's complaining because its stupid ZvP, If the zerg fast expands to the gold there is not much the protoss can do.
On March 04 2012 04:32 coddan wrote: Official map pool includes Metalopolis, not MLG Metalopolis. Incontrol changing the map pool live during the tournament, then complaining about someone stealing his color?
You don't like the map pool, you don't accept the match invite. Geoff being a big baby.
He's complaining because its stupid ZvP, If the zerg fast expands to the gold there is not much the protoss can do.
Then complain before the showmatch. Zergs played xelnaga caverns for the longest time despite it being a horribly imba map.
Maybe he thought it was a version that didn't have the gold. It an imbalanced map should be removed no matter what the rules say.
If its in the rules, I think he should have been aware. If he missed it, then fine its an honest mistake, but that doesn't change the fact that the rule say the map is in it. And no, the rules of a tournament are final. If they wanted to they could make this a bo7 all on steppes of war, as a player if you think its stupid you simply don't play.
If its in the rules, I think he should have been aware. If he missed it, then fine its an honest mistake, but that doesn't change the fact that the rule say the map is in it. And no, the rules of a tournament are final. If they wanted to they could make this a bo7 all on steppes of war, as a player if you think its stupid you simply don't play.
The thing is the rules can be changed and should be changed to prevent imbalanced maps from being played. Yes, the rules are final but they can be changed. If MLG or GSL allowed a imbalanced map without knowing, I'm sure they would change the map to prevent bad games.
On March 04 2012 04:40 ShatterZer0 wrote: Respect for iNcontroL. Loss of any respect whatsoever for Cytoplasm.
No doubt that if roles were reverse iNcontroL would be all for switching out maps to make for a good series...
Why on EARTH does Koth still have normal Metal anyways?
Hopefully Cyto just gets stomped...
This is rubbish. It isn't Cytoplasm's fault. I am pretty sure Incontrol is informed or there were ways he knew which maps he would be playing, just like any other player who plays in a tournament
If it is anyone's fault, it is the tournament's fault of having the map or incontrol if he never actually read the map pool properly, not Cytoplasm's fault.
You lose respect for a player who stick to the rules? That's so wrong at all level.
You don't change the rule just for a match, you change the rule for the whole tournament otherwise it is unfair for all the matches played on this map before...
On March 04 2012 04:39 CScythe wrote: Wait, why the fuck are they using the version of Metal with gold mineral patches?
edit: nvm just saw the chat. Cytoplasm getting all whiny and butthurt. Of course he wants to use the golds instead of being fair. Fucking idiotic.
Its in the fecking rules !!!
It's in the rules... LOL, who doesn't know THAT? It just takes away from this series's legitimacy. They made the right choice to keep with the rules, but the fact that their rules are that idiotic is what people are complaining about...
Cytoplasm could have had an awesome chance at a 4-2 win vs iNcontroL, put himself way high on the map, but now it's just a bullshit high yield roachling all in.
The tournament map pool should have stated all maps were MLG versions as these had some features we liked. It seems like when the OP was last updated it no longer says they are the MLG versions although it should have.
Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)
Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.
On March 04 2012 04:40 ShatterZer0 wrote: Respect for iNcontroL. Loss of any respect whatsoever for Cytoplasm.
No doubt that if roles were reverse iNcontroL would be all for switching out maps to make for a good series...
Why on EARTH does Koth still have normal Metal anyways?
Hopefully Cyto just gets stomped...
Respect for Incontrol for not making sure what maps are being played before accepting an invite into a KOTH? It's his responsibility to voice his concerns BEFORE games are played, not after you're more than halfway through the series. He fucked up and it's ultimately his responsibility. Saying that, I hope they do fix the map in the future. You have to do things the right way and causing some drama in the middle of the series because you weren't aware exactly what maps are being played is not the right way.
If its in the rules, I think he should have been aware. If he missed it, then fine its an honest mistake, but that doesn't change the fact that the rule say the map is in it. And no, the rules of a tournament are final. If they wanted to they could make this a bo7 all on steppes of war, as a player if you think its stupid you simply don't play.
The thing is the rules can be changed and should be changed to prevent imbalanced maps from being played. Yes, the rules are final but they can be changed. If MLG or GSL allowed a imbalanced map without knowing, I'm sure they would change the map to prevent bad games.
Yet a map like xel naga caverns remained the MLG map pool for so long. If cytoplasm came into the series having a specific build order for this specific map, then it isnt fair for him to be forced to change his strategies because incontrol doesn't approve of the map.
On March 04 2012 04:49 Kamais Ookin wrote: This is bs, if patches can change tournament then surely they can change shitty maps off the pool. I feel sorry for iNcontroL, he was robbed.
yes because all of cyto's wins were on gold metalopolis.
You're just shortening your esports career even more with that. You know, it's not like you are invited to these showmatches because you're one of the best players, but because of your personality. Don't lose that too.
If its in the rules, I think he should have been aware. If he missed it, then fine its an honest mistake, but that doesn't change the fact that the rule say the map is in it. And no, the rules of a tournament are final. If they wanted to they could make this a bo7 all on steppes of war, as a player if you think its stupid you simply don't play.
The thing is the rules can be changed and should be changed to prevent imbalanced maps from being played. Yes, the rules are final but they can be changed. If MLG or GSL allowed a imbalanced map without knowing, I'm sure they would change the map to prevent bad games.
They wouldn't, at least not when players are picking their maps mid-series.
A player can't just go "that map is imbalanced, I won't play on that". There needs to be set rules that you go by, else the tournament/match loses all integrity.
well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
That was pretty cheap. Feel bad for Incontrol. Kind of douchey from Cytoplasm but hey man, $300 bucks on the line, I'd be cheap too. GG Inc. Still a fan.
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote: Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)
Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.
Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield. Watch the VoD, you'll see. iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
You sound like destiny when he loses on ladder on a map that isn't in the map pool of every god damn tournament. You played good but no reason to throw shit a cyto for playing the map pool in his favor.
this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last. Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too. Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.
And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.
Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.
Competition is competition, and you have only three options. You either accept the maps or don't participate in the tournament. If you have a problem with the maps, you take it up before the tournament begins, you don't start whining about it when it's time to play on it.
Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.
People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
I don't think you should be at fault, they made a bad choice not changing the map.
On March 04 2012 04:54 ThatGuy89 wrote: this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last. Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too. Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.
And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.
Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.
Pretty much summed up my feelings as well. This was my first time watching one of these and I can't say I'll be coming back.
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote: Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)
Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.
Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield. Watch the VoD, you'll see. iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.
You know.. When the laggscreen comes up, you usually get a spike or two before it does so. In that situation, the lagg came when he needed to place the forcefields, then the game froze. It's just how the game does it, was incredibly unlucky
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote: Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)
Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.
Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield. Watch the VoD, you'll see. iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.
Nope. It was actually during the moment I needed to FF.
Thanks though! You were playing and all so you know...
On March 04 2012 04:40 ShatterZer0 wrote: Respect for iNcontroL. Loss of any respect whatsoever for Cytoplasm.
No doubt that if roles were reverse iNcontroL would be all for switching out maps to make for a good series...
Why on EARTH does Koth still have normal Metal anyways?
Hopefully Cyto just gets stomped...
Respect for Incontrol for not making sure what maps are being played before accepting an invite into a KOTH? It's his responsibility to voice his concerns BEFORE games are played, not after you're more than halfway through the series. He fucked up and it's ultimately his responsibility. Saying that, I hope they do fix the map in the future. You have to do things the right way and causing some drama in the middle of the series because you weren't aware exactly what maps are being played is not the right way.
Way I see it, the players shouldn't have to watch their backs when going into legitimately funded tournaments. What does this say about the management of KOTH IMBA invitational?
Loss of respect for Cytoplasm because he's the ugly face of win at all costs, who gives a shit if we're playing a terrible map that is basically a free win for me. I don't care about my fans getting to see a terrible foregone conclusion of a map. He SHOULD protest the map WHILE abiding by the rules. Fact is, he argued FOR the map when he really should have at least kept his mouth shut.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
On March 04 2012 04:54 ThatGuy89 wrote: this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last. Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too. Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.
And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.
Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.
Coming from someone with 10+ posts in Incontrol's fanclub, your trashtalking is laughable...
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
from one of the admins: [12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff [12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2 [12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available [12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread [12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
Definitely think they should remove that map from the pool and it's sad to see you robbed from this game. That said, cyto has every right to choose that map without getting any flack. Just as a terran is allowed to cheese to win games.
I've regarded you as one of the few "grown ups" of e-sports but some of the comments you dropped just seemed like a little child throwing a fit to me. Just saying that you don't agree with the pool and keep it at that would've ben enough imo.
Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
On March 04 2012 04:54 iNcontroL wrote: Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.
People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.
Progamers are payed to win, you are one of the people that preach that we should not hate players for cheesing.
lol Cytoplasm just said they should use the other versions of Metalopolis so why didnt h change before the game, it doesnt matter if it isnt in the rules they could have both agreed to change it then it would be fair.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You don't need to study it hard to realise what version it is. You can actually just read the map pool once. You know, just point your eyes in its general direction.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
Even if incontrol read "metalopolis" in the map pool, i feel like he wouldn't go "oh shit, the metalopolis that has gold bases that no one uses"
i feel like he would read it and just assume that it would be the MLG version since that is what every tournament uses.
On March 04 2012 04:49 Corrosive wrote: Metal with gold? This is the reason why no other tournament uses it. Pretty sure they all changed it when DRG rushed gold at one of the MLG's (as well as mule imba on gold patches somewhat)
Also lag from an obs right when FF's needed to go down, feel bad for incontrol there, pretty shitty.
Nope, the lag was _AFTER_ he needed to forcefield. Watch the VoD, you'll see. iNcontroL is being a crybaby, it's in the rules so deal with it.
You know.. When the laggscreen comes up, you usually get a spike or two before it does so. In that situation, the lagg came when he needed to place the forcefields, then the game froze. It's just how the game does it, was incredibly unlucky
I agree. That simple fact alone should ve been a reason for a re.
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote: from one of the admins: [12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff [12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2 [12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available [12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread [12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.
SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
You were screwed there man. Don't let it get you too down. I've been watching your stream and recent tournaments a lot and it seems you're breaking through that wall finally. GG's.
On March 04 2012 04:54 ThatGuy89 wrote: this is the first time ive watched this tournament and i can safely say its the last. Its not entirely your fault, as an organisation, but cytoplasm is to blame too. Having that map in, and cyto refusing to use the more balanced one (even though its still zerg favoured) and then gold expanding is just such a bullshit thing to do.
And having so many obserevers, all the casters did was hate on incontol when he missed his FFs, and they failed to comment on the fact that right at that point, the drop out box came up, followed by one of the 8 observers dropping out.
Really poor tournament tbh, admin should have changed that map, everyone knew it should have been the MLG one, even Cytoplasm, thats why he wanted that map to abuse it.
Coming from someone with 10+ posts in Incontrol's fanclub, your trashtalking is laughable...
if this had happened in a TvZ and the zerg had done the same or if it'd happened to someone on TL i would still be backing the non zerg.
to say this wasnt a low thing to do, is just stupidity. even kennigit is agreeing with incontrol
On March 04 2012 04:58 Robson13 wrote: lol Cytoplasm just said they should use the other versions of Metalopolis so why didnt h change before the game, it doesnt matter if it isnt in the rules they could have both agreed to change it then it would be fair.
Well, if i were playing for 300$ i wouldnt change the rules to my disadvantage. I guess everyone else in here would ;-)
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote: Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
maybe cyto went into the showmatch assuming he was goona be playing on gold metal, wouldn't be fair to just take that away.
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote: Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
Thank you. Incontrol blows this out of proportion. If he would have walked away and taken it like a pro gg to him. QQ in this thread makes the whole situation laughable at best.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You don't need to study it hard to realise what version it is. You can actually just read the map pool once. You know, just point your eyes in its general direction.
Map Pool and Vetoing 1. Shakuras Plataeu 2. Metalopolis 3. GSL Antiga Shipyard 4. Tal’Darim Altar 5. Winter BelShir Beach 6. MLG Daybreak 7. Entombed Valley 8. GSL Terminus SE 9. GSL Crevasse 10. The Shattered Temple 11. Xel’Naga Caverns
so you'd read that and think its the blizz version? you wouldnt think that its the same metal that EVERY tournament in the world uses? to look at that and think its the normal version, you gotta be high or something
Metal is a bad map to start with. MLG Metal is slightly better, still Z favored. Its a pretty stupid rule not to be able to correct a mistake in the maps.
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote: Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
Thank you. Incontrol blows this out of proportion. If he would have walked away and taken it like a pro gg to him. QQ in this thread makes the whole situation laughable at best.
Totally agree he allrdy lost 3 maps and im sure they all wasnt metal with gold.
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote: from one of the admins: [12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff [12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2 [12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available [12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread [12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.
SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
Can the trolls and haters STFU now? The tournament fucked up hard, end of story.
On March 04 2012 04:52 Moriarty wrote: Take any advantage you can. Doesn't matter if it's unsportsmanlike, it's a competition for money.
You take your advantage, but you don't have to sound like an entitled prick while doing it... I mean, if he had just said nothing and let the organizers let the rules take their place there wouldn't have been a third of the drama there is now...
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You don't need to study it hard to realise what version it is. You can actually just read the map pool once. You know, just point your eyes in its general direction.
Map Pool and Vetoing 1. Shakuras Plataeu 2. Metalopolis 3. GSL Antiga Shipyard 4. Tal’Darim Altar 5. Winter BelShir Beach 6. MLG Daybreak 7. Entombed Valley 8. GSL Terminus SE 9. GSL Crevasse 10. The Shattered Temple 11. Xel’Naga Caverns
so you'd read that and think its the blizz version? you wouldnt think that its the same metal that EVERY tournament in the world uses? to look at that and think its the normal version, you gotta be high or something
Every other map says "MLG" or "GSL" where relevant. So... Yes. Because I can read.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote: from one of the admins: [12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff [12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2 [12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available [12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread [12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.
SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
Can the trolls and haters STFU now? The tournament fucked up hard, end of story.
So because someone thought of changing the rules the actual rules weren't in effect?
Is this a Canadian thing or what? Can you get charged by laws not yet enacted but are in the thoughts of some politician?
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?
You calling other people stupid is laughable.
when every tournament uses a certain version of the map, it becomes understood.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?
You calling other people stupid is laughable.
lol so you expect every player to PM the admins about every map just to make sure? why couldnt they just make sure they'd written which version it was, like they've already admitted they meant to, and that it was meant to be the MLG one. They've admitted they messed up, why cant the incontrol haters see that, and see that this was entirely their fault and that cytoplasm was just being pedantic and pathetic
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote: Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
maybe cyto went into the showmatch assuming he was goona be playing on gold metal, wouldn't be fair to just take that away.
But really, does that matter? Hes not asking for a different map overall. Everyone, including Cyto, knows that with gold it's imba. I just think it seems pretty pathetic that he feels he shouldn't switch. Maybe thats just me, but there comes a point where just being respectful is important. (Goes for both parties I feel)
On March 04 2012 04:54 iNcontroL wrote: Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.
People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.
Progamers are payed to win, you are one of the people that preach that we should not hate players for cheesing.
Guess BoxeR's only half a progamer then. Sure, Cytoplasm won, but do you think his fans are satisfied with a roachling all in on a map that's basically built for it to 99% of the time win/get you pressure so you can saturate the gold?
Do you think this has gotten him more fame or flame in arguing for the map instead of letting the tournament organizers handle it?
If Progamers play to win you get 6 probe rushes. If Progamers play to win you get team jumps every 3 months. Forward thinking progamers should know that SC2 isn't solid enough for that yet. This stuff is bad for them in the long run anyway.
On March 04 2012 04:57 ronpaul012 wrote: Where do pro-gamers draw the line for respect for themselves and other players? This wasn't for a high spot in an MLG, it was essentially a showmatch... If you want to call yourself the better player then why not just respect him asking for that map? Seems pretty low and desperate to deny it.
maybe cyto went into the showmatch assuming he was goona be playing on gold metal, wouldn't be fair to just take that away.
But really, does that matter? Hes not asking for a different map overall. Everyone, including Cyto, knows that with gold it's imba. I just think it seems pretty pathetic that he feels he shouldn't switch. Maybe thats just me, but there comes a point where just being respectful is important. (Goes for both parties I feel)
I'm sure someone like Sheth would switch in a heartbeat without arguing because he's a really great man, Cyto disgusts me.
I think they need to make this right to Inc somehow. It's pretty clear the admins effed up hard. Not sure if it would have made a big difference but it's pretty clear that it was supposed to be MLG Metalopolis. Can't 100% blame Cytoplasm for pushing the issue with money on the line but I think the admins have a responsiblity to make it up to Incontrol and the fans in someway.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.
Map pool is not "fine print". It's the map pool.
Oblivious to analogy troll is oblivious. If you want to continue arguing an invalid point, PM me.
I love how Incontrol and his fan boys act like he's been playing in big tournaments without gold bases for 6 months or however long he said that these guys are behind the times with, when only MLG for instance have just changed the high yield bases this season.
So really, tournaments and others organizers etc are still making the switch so people need to shut the fuck up and stop acting as if this is still something from the beta that is hindering the game.
This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl.
Enjoyed the come-back Incontrol was in the process of. Unforunate how it ended due to an imbalanced map, but overall good tournament. Goggle-Beard man is a pretty awesome caster too, wasn't quite aware of Imba.TV before this.
Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
are you stupid? do you think every single player studies the map pool that hard? you could ask any pro in this tournament, or any pro player in NA and ask them what version they'd think it was of metal, and i bet at least 99% of them would say the MLG/GSL version and not the broken one that is only used on ladder
gtfo
You think it's hard for a player to PM the tournament hoster and ask what map version it's on?
You calling other people stupid is laughable.
lol so you expect every player to PM the admins about every map just to make sure? why couldnt they just make sure they'd written which version it was, like they've already admitted they meant to, and that it was meant to be the MLG one. They've admitted they messed up, why cant the incontrol haters see that, and see that this was entirely their fault and that cytoplasm was just being pedantic and pathetic
Why do you think everyone disagreeing with you is a Incontrol hater?
You can't have players demanding changes in the map pool in the middle of a showmatch, no matter how imbalanced the player might think the maps are. There is nothing pathetic about what Cytoplasm did, he played to win and the tournament admins will most likely fix the map pool for future events.
On March 04 2012 05:03 quannguyen wrote: Stop this plz. The match is over. There is nothing we can do, so just quit the trashtalking ffs.
Both Cytoplasm and Incontrol played pretty well. If not for this problem, it would've been a flawless match. What a shame
We need trashtalk and drama so this doesn't ever get a chance to happen again. This embarrassment is what helps tournament organizers get thumbs downed and make their events crisper.
It's because of this relatively large screw up that the rest of the series' won't have to have their legitimacy besmirched by an idiotic map pool.
I'm just sad it took a series deciding freewin to get it into IMBA KOTH's eyes and ears...
On March 04 2012 05:09 goswser wrote: This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl.
The map was in the pool.
On March 04 2012 05:07 Xcobidoo wrote: So the end score was 4-3 to Cyto or is the argument just a hidden bash on metal with gold?
On March 04 2012 04:54 iNcontroL wrote: Yep I was bm. I was raging pretty hard. Takes a lot to get me pisssed and a guy leading 3-2 whining and bitching cause he wants that map so bad IT'S IN THE RULES is angering.
People can flame me all they like in here. Chances are you've never played in front of an augience for money and won't ever know what it's like to have something stupid like this happen. I take responsibility for accepting the invite before checking to see if they were dumb. My bad.
Progamers are payed to win, you are one of the people that preach that we should not hate players for cheesing.
Guess BoxeR's only half a progamer then. Sure, Cytoplasm won, but do you think his fans are satisfied with a roachling all in on a map that's basically built for it to 99% of the time win/get you pressure so you can saturate the gold?
Do you think this has gotten him more fame or flame in arguing for the map instead of letting the tournament organizers handle it?
If Progamers play to win you get 6 probe rushes. If Progamers play to win you get team jumps every 3 months. Forward thinking progamers should know that SC2 isn't solid enough for that yet. This stuff is bad for them in the long run anyway.
I, for one, was very satisfied. Add to that the tantrum Incontrol threw and you have plenty of entertainment.
On March 04 2012 04:52 iNcontroL wrote: well I guess before I accept a match I need to check and make sure the league isn't the only one on the fucking planet that forgot about a map being horrifically imbalanced.
BREAKING NEWS.
Pro-gamer realises it's a good idea to review the rules before partaking in tournament. More on this fascinating concept at 11.
Really? This is just you being a douche to be a douche. He admitted he should have checked the map pool before, but any legitimate tournament uses up-to-date maps to avoid really stupid strats like what we just saw. It's like getting hired to write documents for a company, and you go into work and they sit you down with a typewriter. When you laugh and ask where the computer is so you can start typing up the documents they need, they just say "should have read the fine print" and walk away.
Map pool is not "fine print". It's the map pool.
Oblivious to analogy troll is oblivious. If you want to continue arguing an invalid point, PM me.
Because it was a stupid analogy. Incontrol had known something was off had he done the smallest amount of preparation possible for a match - simply reading the map pool.
On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote: Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
It's not all about winning. Where's the class? Where's the fucking prestige? I wouldn't be surprised if he lost some fans, personally I was neutral towards him but now I don't like him anymore, I value things other then wins in pro players.
On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote: Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
It's not all about winning. Where's the class? Where's the fucking prestige? I wouldn't be surprised if he lost some fans, personally I was neutral towards him but now I don't like him anymore, I value things other then wins in pro players.
Incontrol plays to win
He's given speeches about this on his stream
He wouldn't have changed it, if it was in his favor.
cyto played well, incontrol got better over time and it was shaping up to be quite interesting. Then cyto decided to throw away all the credits i gave him for the latest results by wanting to play on a goldbase-map to then abuse it to the fullest. Who is to blame: 1) Cytoplasm: Any mannered player wouldve played on a blue mineral map - wheather its in the rules or not. 2) The organisation: Fix your mappool...
On March 04 2012 05:09 goswser wrote: This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl.
On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote: Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
Again, nobody should have any beef with Cytoplasm for playing a map he was supposed to play on. In fact, anyone who does is an idiot... the part people are pissed about was that they expected more from him. They were in a lobby for MLG Metal and he could have simply told the organizers that this was the wrong map... instead he simply refused to play on anything BUT normal Metal...
Could have had the same result and 90% less drama, but played it out in a way that made people lose respect for him. Kinda chose between lawful good and lawful evil... and chose lawful evil. xDDD
On March 04 2012 04:56 iNcontroL wrote: from one of the admins: [12:50:56 PM] Firesilver: Hello Geoff [12:51:18 PM] Firesilver: Regarding the map situation, I originally made the first map pool for KOTM 1 and had alot of input on KOTM season 2 [12:51:29 PM] Firesilver: I asked for all standard maps to be MLG versions or NASL if they weren't available [12:51:49 PM] Firesilver: It seems like this wasn't put on the actually thread [12:55:33 PM] Firesilver: I can say that i'm extremely pissed right now.
SO basically it was supposed tob e in the rules
WAS supposed to be in the rules. nice, but you still failed to read the actual map pool that clearly stated which map is which version.
Stop blaming on other people or even trying to defend yourself, Geoff, come on. You think you got screwed hard? Come work in the business world where contact holds hidden clauses and hide away in other clauses. Chances are even if you read the whole contact, you would still get screwed.
On March 04 2012 05:09 goswser wrote: This is a complete joke, the admin apparently didn't realize that they were actually forcing incontrol to play on a version of the map that wasn't even supposed to be in the tournament? That and the lag spike......also why is xel naga caverns in this map pool rofl.
On March 04 2012 05:07 Xcobidoo wrote: So the end score was 4-3 to Cyto or is the argument just a hidden bash on metal with gold?
Score 4-2.
So that map did not directly make iNcontroL lose the game/series. Just seems like this is blown way out of proportion since there seems to have been a fuss about it on stream. Did the world end in bloody riots every time a zerg had to play xel'naga for waaaay too long in competitive play? No.
On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote: Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
Allow me to show you a fantastic example of true sportsmanship, where winning was still incredibly important, but wasn't the #1 thing. Who knows, maybe Cyto goes on to win anyway. But the fact is that if you want to say you are better, why stoop down to certain measures? That match was a poor display of esports from all 3 parties, the 2 players and tournament organizers. Example
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Stop making assumtions about the character of players you obviosly know so little about. We'll never know if Incontrol would have done the same or not but that's not even the real issue. The issue is that the map wasn't supposed to be in the map pool to begin with. I don't blame Cyto for his choice as it was in his favor. I wouldn't blame Inc for the same choice (though as a fan of his I wouldn't like it very much) but I have a problem with the map being in the pool to begin with. IMBA effed up. Whether or not Inc would have won without such a cruddy map is another topic as well but well never know as they decided to go with it anyway. I feel we as well as Incontrol were cheated out of a decent game and a possible game 7. Again I can't promise Inc would have won game six on the other version but I'm willing to bet he would have played better without the drama.
On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote: As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
Wait, WHAT? So we're going to have THREE more best of 7's with this abomination of a map pool? Is anyone going to tell Mana about this? I mean, the chances are low that he's forfeit in protest... but with this map pool it'd be nothing more than an idra style "I respect that you're a good enough player to not fuck this up" GG.
I mean... it's like letting the Zerg player go into the series with a freewin on the first set...
On March 04 2012 05:09 SirBlackJack wrote: Incontrol would have.. Sheth would have.. Cyto is not being payed by EG to go lose tournaments. He plays for a small team. Seriously you guys...He played it to his favor. He played to win. The end.
Allow me to show you a fantastic example of true sportsmanship, where winning was still incredibly important, but wasn't the #1 thing. Who knows, maybe Cyto goes on to win anyway. But the fact is that if you want to say you are better, why stoop down to certain measures? That match was a poor display of esports from all 3 parties, the 2 players and tournament organizers. Example
Yeah, compare Cytoplasm wanting to follow the rules he was given to cheating for a goal. That's a great comparison.
On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote: As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
After today's clusterfuck I surely would have thought the map pool would be updated ASAP, guess you guys aren't taking things seriously. Lost any shred of respect I had for you guys.
On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote: As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
Wait, WHAT? So we're going to have THREE more best of 7's with this abomination of a map pool? Is anyone going to tell Mana about this? I mean, the chances are low that he's forfeit in protest... but with this map pool it'd be nothing more than an idra style "I respect that you're a good enough player to not fuck this up" GG.
I mean... it's like letting the Zerg player go into the series with a freewin on the first set...
today was the end of season 2 aka next month we go into season 3 - and the mappool will be updated there
On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote: As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
After today's clusterfuck I surely would have thought the map pool would be updated ASAP, guess you guys aren't taking things seriously. Lost any shred of respect I had for you guys.
today was the end of season 2 aka next month we go into season 3 - and the mappool will be updated there
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
On March 04 2012 05:15 Torai wrote: As we mentioned - the mappool will be updated for season 3
After today's clusterfuck I surely would have thought the map pool would be updated ASAP, guess you guys aren't taking things seriously. Lost any shred of respect I had for you guys.
today was the end of season 2 aka next month we go into season 3 - and the mappool will be updated there
What on donotes the beginning and end of a season and why is no information on as such in the OP, the last KOTH's OP, or even a Liquipedia thread?
Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
Oh wow. Didn't know that at all. This makes me feel so cheated for Incontrol. Guess nice guys really do finish last huh?
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
You did great. You have gotten a new fan today. Keep up the good work and don't let the incontrol fanboys irritate you. You played to win and you won. GG.
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
Oh wow. Didn't know that at all. This makes me feel so cheated for Incontrol. Guess nice guys really do finish last huh?
Haha nice guys finish last huh. How many of all the progamers out there do you think would have taken a BYE in a SHOWMATCH? Even LaLush wouldn't have taken the WO-win, not even him...
Am I misunderstanding this? Everyone here agrees that if, in a serious game, you have the opportunity to cheese and win, you should do it. 'Play to win' is the maxim normally thrown out. However, choosing a map which favors your race isn't honorable?
Zerg players have chosen Metalopolis after losing for nearly a year. Do you think less of Idra, Morrow, Stephano and just about every other Zerg in the world? Of course not.
Now, I'm assuming the difference you see between the above situation and the one at hand is that now everybody understands that Metalopolis is imbalanced. Statistics and pro players have agreed. But tournaments don't have a uniform map pool, and several of them have maps which are considered imbalanced. Do you think less of a Terran when they choose to play Xel'Naga against a Protoss or Zerg?
This is silly. You can either stand for the cuthroat 'Play to win' maxim, or can you can say 'Be Honorable.' You can't have it both ways.
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
What are you talking about, it's not in the rules for incontrol to decide who gets bye. Blizzard metalopolis was played in every tournament 2 months ago, is everyone who played it and won in it also scumbag?
And let me tell you, i think that last thing incontrol wants is his fans lashing out on volunteer organizers making this tournament possible.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
Absolutely not your fault, GG's and I hope you keep showing good results!
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
I support you man. Play to win is what I have always heard. I think the party to be angry at is the KotH organizer for having such an outdated map pool. It isn't just regular Metalopolis, but like you said, Xel'naga Caverns and more. I don't think the forums needs to flip tables and boycott their content or anything, but they definitely need to know that the current map pool isn't acceptable and needs changed.
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
Actually I think a much safer assumption would be that cytoplasm would have won even if it were regular metalopolis.
The controversy and anger in this thread are hilarious. He started the show match down 0-3 and the terrible XNC is also in the map pool. You simply have to accept the fact that he played poorly and was dominated.
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
What are you talking about, it's not in the rules for incontrol to decide who gets bye. Blizzard metalopolis was played in every tournament 2 months ago, is everyone who played it and won in it also scumbag?
And let me tell you, i think that last thing incontrol wants is his fans lashing out on volunteer organizers making this tournament possible.
I'm being sarcastic... the entire thing is just a portrayal of how hotch crazy people are getting in this thread about how players have no honor.... Doesn't it make you at least a LITTLE sick to your stomach that people are just... okay with that?
The point of my comment was, if you took EVERYTHING in the OP infallible truth that everything would just be retarded >.>
Think in context a little please, for my sanity at least.
And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?
On March 04 2012 05:13 Rosstock wrote: Pretty sure incontrol would have done the same thing, easy to be on the other side. GG CYTO SWEDEN FIGHTING GRATS
Haha 100% he would. I guess all those terran players that chose xelnaga cavern in the past are all scumbags if we were asking incontrol fans... This kind of logic is just absurd tbh
I hope you realize that, via KOTH rules, he could have had this series in an automatic bye if he refused a rescheduling because of Cytoplasm's computer problems. I mean, it would be completely okay of him to do that because the RULES in the OP state that it was to be on THURSDAY. Right? So does that mean we can just assume that iNcontroL ACTUALLY won this series in a 4-0 bye?
Also, XNC is not NEARLY as imbalanced as Blizzard Metalopolis.... but I guess that's subjective on my part...
Actually I think a much safer assumption would be that cytoplasm would have won even if it were regular metalopolis.
Yup, probably, but please see my other comment because people seem to be hopping to conclusions via possible lost in translation/lack of reading comprehension/my poor US school system grammar...
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote: And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?
and people bitched and complained about it and they should have changed the maps before season 2. There is no good reason to continue using horrible maps. NONE.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
Hmm i dont understand, ImbaTV agrees to give you 400$ for a short BO7 if you win the match, and shows the map pool. Both players agree to it by participating and not complaining about the rules before the match happens. Its like a contract without the paper work. Why would you participate in tournament, if you dont like map pool , and later proceed to bash the organizers... Never thought that Incontrol will have same attitude of Idra
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote: And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?
because they hopefully want to show they're better men, and care more about using fair maps than sticking to laid out plans? That is a terrible argument
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote: And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?
and people bitched and complained about it and they should have changed the maps before season 2. There is no good reason to continue using horrible maps. NONE.
You must have been raging at a lot of tournaments in your days then since most of them have had maps that were imbalanced and not changed during season/tournament. Need I remind you of a certain map known as Testbug? Yeah, it was horrible, and MLG kept it for a long time. GSL used crossfire in the finals even though its being cut in the next season, this is just common practice for tournaments, you have a set map pool for the season and you roll with it.
other tourneys also having bad maps and being slow to change them is no excuse for a showmatch league having a version of a map that every other (slow, and bad..) league has removed.. so saying this league is MORE bad than others but still the others were bad, is not a good argument.
Look we are all good. I don't hate cyto at all. Play to win? Sure I get that. Was angering in the heat of battle to find out a league was shit and a player was arguing to make the shit happen. But life goes on.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
Good post. Exactly, it is not your fault and it's sad (imo) incontrol didnt show his best manner today.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
if you read my whole post, then u understand my logic. insteed of reading 1 line that i wrote
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
if you read my whole post, then u understand my logic. insteed of reading 1 line that i wrote
There is no point interacting with 1 post warriors mate
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
It was 1 map and 5 others had allrdy been played I was entertained. Btw post on you main you coward
Look we are all good. I don't hate cyto at all. Play to win? Sure I get that. Was angering in the heat of battle to find out a league was shit and a player was arguing to make the shit happen. But life goes on.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
if you read my whole post, then u understand my logic. insteed of reading 1 line that i wrote
Please do not answer to an imbecile who took the time to create an account just to insult someone! Also thanks to Imba for the showmatch, people are making too much of a deal because of a single game instead of looking at the whole series.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
if you read my whole post, then u understand my logic. insteed of reading 1 line that i wrote
I read the whole post. This was just something that made me really angry cause its logic was so wrong. And nothing else that you said is relevant to this one line. Plus I had other points in my post that you did not address because you're were wrong in what you did and now you're a hypocrite
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
if you read my whole post, then u understand my logic. insteed of reading 1 line that i wrote
Don't let people make you feel bad. At least in my opinion, you did the right thing.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
So your logic behind it is to take an unfair advantage to win money because your opponent would win less money? You pissed people off because you exploited the rules to make money and not give us the entertainment that was promised. You deserve incontrol hating you and to lose fans because you said fuck you to all of them for $300. Pathetic
It was 1 map and 5 others had allrdy been played I was entertained. Btw post on you main you coward
This is my main. This is the first time I have ever posted on TL. This is my handle on SC.
Look we are all good. I don't hate cyto at all. Play to win? Sure I get that. Was angering in the heat of battle to find out a league was shit and a player was arguing to make the shit happen. But life goes on.
lol more passive aggressive
You don't have anything more to add to the discussion, do you? Go read other threads or something.
G'day chap, mayhaps I post in the opposing manner! I tend to agree with mine own status of configurement in regard to how I generally regard this consideration!
On March 04 2012 05:34 Cytoplasm wrote: And by the way , i remeber NASL Season 1 with their maps . everyone hated it . but they didnt change it until season 2 . why should this be any diffrent?
and people bitched and complained about it and they should have changed the maps before season 2. There is no good reason to continue using horrible maps. NONE.
You must have been raging at a lot of tournaments in your days then since most of them have had maps that were imbalanced and not changed during season/tournament. Need I remind you of a certain map known as Testbug? Yeah, it was horrible, and MLG kept it for a long time. GSL used crossfire in the finals even though its being cut in the next season, this is just common practice for tournaments, you have a set map pool for the season and you roll with it.
so just because everyone fucks up, its ok to fuck up? No, thats not how it works. They need to do a better job with maps, every tournament does. Every tournament will continue to get shit for it as well. And they should. We are being robbed of good games because of terrible maps being used.
On March 04 2012 05:27 Cytoplasm wrote: Ok . First of all i want to say sorry to iNcontroll if he thinks im a total jerk now or something . I personally agree to 100% that Metalopolis Blizzard version shouldnt be in the mappool , But it is. Its not my fault. And im damn sure the organizers didnt think (lets put a imbalanced map in the mappool) when they made the rules. . There are some maps i dont agree with in the mappool they are using , for example Xel naga caverns , but i knew that the map was in this koth when i said yes to my invite for playing this awesome koth. These versions were played in the previous weeks of this koth and i see no reason to change it last week just out of a principle. I dont see why i would agree to change it when it favors me and there is 300$ on the line to win for me (only 100 for incontroll since he was my challanger) . For those of you who thought i did the wrong decision , im sorry . hope i didnt piss of to many people who thinks i did a wrong decision sticking to the rules because if favored me.
I hope you iNcontroll wont dislike me for such a stupid thing.
Thanks
ps. good job to imbaTV for hosting an awesome KOTH show and i enjoy to see it again!
I wouldn't worry about it dude, some people are just sanctimonious fucks and always will be, you played good and convincingly won a series against a player who plays for a large team etc, you should feel good about yourself. Ignore the stupid hate. tbh it shows good character that you have come out and apologized for something that wasn't even your fault.
Changing the map pool while being in tournament is tricky. I think there should be a distinction between those whith only one match (showmatches) and ongoing tournaments with more than one match. In those it would be unfair to the players who already played under some rules to just change them in the progress of the tournament. If there is only one match I don't really see any harm in changing the rules.
But even in the first case I doubt a lot of people (players + audience) would get very mad about changing the rules if the change is ~objectively making the tournament system fairer.
All in all I can't get myself to blame Cytoplasm for his decision too much, though I would have loved it for the tournament runners and Cyto to just say "hey, you're right geoff, we should play on a more modern version of the map".
On March 04 2012 06:21 StarStrider wrote: Everything is fine. Calm down. Incontrol was mad, no one blames him. Cyto isn't a thug for picking a map that favors him.
Jesus fuck, aren't we Starcraft people such drama queens? So much butthurt going on in the LBC.
i think if this whole situation was put to the public, but no names were mentioned it would be alot different. If someone came out and said that the rules 'said' Metalopolis (i put said in speech marks cos the map pool just said metalopolis, and i think everyone would automatically, upon seeing it, think it was a balanced version as opposed to the garbage that blizz made in this case) and then the 2 players (not naming either of them) got into an argument about which version it should be on. At which point it was decided that it would be the imbalanced version, in which case the player who wanted to imba map abused it the best they could.
If you put that to the public, you would have half as many people hating on incontrol as you do now. Unfortunately he just gets alot of hate. Yea maybe he didnt handle it perfectly, but all the people flaming him for are dont have any idea what its like to be in that situation. Where youre 0-3 down in a BO7 against a player far inferior to you (no offence intended) and when you know you'll get alot of stick if you lose. you start a comback and on a pivital game youre gonna have to play on a completely ZvP favoured map, and thats metal as it is, nevermind with the gold in. But i think he was right to complain about it, maybe not so aggresively though.
And i can bet any amount of money that if incontrol somehow managed to end a SHOWMATCH (i put that in caps cos people are always saying that showmatches are about entertainment and fun games) in a way like this becuase he picked an imbalanced map, he'd get so much hate it would probably break the internet
that being said, both players played well and deserve congratulations, shame the same cant be said for the casters/admins
On March 04 2012 06:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: i think if this whole situation was put to the public, but no names were mentioned it would be alot different. If someone came out and said that the rules 'said' Metalopolis (i put said in speech marks cos the map pool just said metalopolis, and i think everyone would automatically, upon seeing it, think it was a balanced version as opposed to the garbage that blizz made in this case) and then the 2 players (not naming either of them) got into an argument about which version it should be on. At which point it was decided that it would be the imbalanced version, in which case the player who wanted to imba map abused it the best they could.
If you put that to the public, you would have half as many people hating on incontrol as you do now. Unfortunately he just gets alot of hate. Yea maybe he didnt handle it perfectly, but all the people flaming him for are dont have any idea what its like to be in that situation. Where youre 0-3 down in a BO7 against a player far inferior to you (no offence intended) and when you know you'll get alot of stick if you lose. you start a comback and on a pivital game youre gonna have to play on a completely ZvP favoured map, and thats metal as it is, nevermind with the gold in. But i think he was right to complain about it, maybe not so aggresively though.
And i can bet any amount of money that if incontrol somehow managed to end a SHOWMATCH (i put that in caps cos people are always saying that showmatches are about entertainment and fun games) in a way like this becuase he picked an imbalanced map, he'd get so much hate it would probably break the internet
that being said, both players played well and deserve congratulations, shame the same cant be said for the casters/admins
How is Cytoplasm inferior to Incontrol in any way? The dude just 2-0'd Kas among other things, he has really improved and has more recent results than Incontrol.
I get it that you are an Incontrol fan and somehow feel the need to twist the situation into something it isn't, but the truth is that you are not doing anyone any favors. Just stop.
On March 04 2012 06:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: i think if this whole situation was put to the public, but no names were mentioned it would be alot different. If someone came out and said that the rules 'said' Metalopolis (i put said in speech marks cos the map pool just said metalopolis, and i think everyone would automatically, upon seeing it, think it was a balanced version as opposed to the garbage that blizz made in this case) and then the 2 players (not naming either of them) got into an argument about which version it should be on. At which point it was decided that it would be the imbalanced version, in which case the player who wanted to imba map abused it the best they could.
If you put that to the public, you would have half as many people hating on incontrol as you do now. Unfortunately he just gets alot of hate. Yea maybe he didnt handle it perfectly, but all the people flaming him for are dont have any idea what its like to be in that situation. Where youre 0-3 down in a BO7 against a player far inferior to you (no offence intended) and when you know you'll get alot of stick if you lose. you start a comback and on a pivital game youre gonna have to play on a completely ZvP favoured map, and thats metal as it is, nevermind with the gold in. But i think he was right to complain about it, maybe not so aggresively though.
And i can bet any amount of money that if incontrol somehow managed to end a SHOWMATCH (i put that in caps cos people are always saying that showmatches are about entertainment and fun games) in a way like this becuase he picked an imbalanced map, he'd get so much hate it would probably break the internet
that being said, both players played well and deserve congratulations, shame the same cant be said for the casters/admins
Actually I think people would agree that if the rules say original metalopolis and one of the player requests it, then the only blame can really be put on either the hosts or the player who didn't read the map pool in the first place. Also most pro players aren't down 0-3 against a player that is "far inferior to them".
On March 04 2012 06:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: i think if this whole situation was put to the public, but no names were mentioned it would be alot different. If someone came out and said that the rules 'said' Metalopolis (i put said in speech marks cos the map pool just said metalopolis, and i think everyone would automatically, upon seeing it, think it was a balanced version as opposed to the garbage that blizz made in this case) and then the 2 players (not naming either of them) got into an argument about which version it should be on. At which point it was decided that it would be the imbalanced version, in which case the player who wanted to imba map abused it the best they could.
If you put that to the public, you would have half as many people hating on incontrol as you do now. Unfortunately he just gets alot of hate. Yea maybe he didnt handle it perfectly, but all the people flaming him for are dont have any idea what its like to be in that situation. Where youre 0-3 down in a BO7 against a player far inferior to you (no offence intended) and when you know you'll get alot of stick if you lose. you start a comback and on a pivital game youre gonna have to play on a completely ZvP favoured map, and thats metal as it is, nevermind with the gold in. But i think he was right to complain about it, maybe not so aggresively though.
And i can bet any amount of money that if incontrol somehow managed to end a SHOWMATCH (i put that in caps cos people are always saying that showmatches are about entertainment and fun games) in a way like this becuase he picked an imbalanced map, he'd get so much hate it would probably break the internet
that being said, both players played well and deserve congratulations, shame the same cant be said for the casters/admins
A) there is no reason to make that assumption about what version of metal would be played. In fact, given the inclusion of a good number of other ladder maps (including imbalanced ones), it wouldn't be unreasonable to think the other way. B)IMBA works hard to bring us hours of amazing content. They screwed up once. No need to go bashing them. They are amazing contributors to the scene who deserve tremendous praise for their work
Us here at IMBA.tv are aware of the map related issue today between IncontroL and Cytoplasm's games in the Money Talks Season 2 tournament. The map pool was listed as follows:
Map Pool 1. Shakuras Plataeu 2. Metalopolis 3. GSL Antiga Shipyard 4. Tal’Darim Altar 5. Winter BelShir Beach 6. MLG Daybreak 7. Entombed Valley 8. GSL Terminus SE 9. GSL Crevasse 10. The Shattered Temple 11. Xel’Naga Caverns
Now the map in dispute is Metalopolis This map is the ladder version and is not up to date with current tournament / league regulations / standards (as it does not denote the MLG or GSL version). As we have come to terms with it in the past few week of the KOTH with this map pool we felt we shouldn't change the rules middle of the series as to not cause confusion for players / viewers. So therefore we left it in.
Now to say clear and upfront we whole heartedly apologize for this map not being changed prior to Season 2 starting. We did not expect it would have come down to this but it has so here is our apology.
What are we going to do to fix it? Well first off we will be redoing a few rules of the KOTH MT Season 3. There will be new maps in the map pool. ** Updated to current versions of widely used tournament maps ** There will also be certain changes to the rules regarding week 4 matches and continuations / postpones. We are avidly looking into making sure that the seasons will continue with fair rules for the players and viewers.
A few of the members of IMBAtv (Addicted {events manager / organizer}, Firesilver {personnel administration / manager}, and mcDuffs {owner / ceo}) contacted IncontroL via skype and apologized for this map oversight in the rules as well as they expressed the changes that we are making to the rules. We have also invited IncontroL to compete in Season 3 of the KOTH and he has agreed to play during next season.
We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Thanks for reading and we hope for everyone to have gl and ggs!
On March 04 2012 04:55 Dimon87 wrote: Guess it aint called imbalanced.tv for nothing, gg's though.
lolz
ImbaTV should stick to what it specializes in: entertaining broadcasts.
issues came up in both seasons 1 and 2 of this month long event regarding rules and maps. in Season 1 some claim the over all winner had the match given to him by the loser.. because the winner would win a lot more money for the win than the loser would get. So the speculation is the final week loser of season 1 just handed it to him.
in the final KOTH of season 1 the winner had the chance to win like $500 and the guy who eventually lost only had a chance at $100. that is why this behind the scenes agreement was struck and the final weeks matches of season 1 were essentially choreographed.
the rules of this KOTH are convoluted and confusing.
if Imba.tv has extra cash... i recommend they become the sponsor of an event and let people who specialize in event management and execution do what they do best. sponsor a CraftCup.. or maybe and SCVRush.com event... or some other event.
Good Try Imba.tv.. your heart is in the right place.. but u guys are pretty disorganized.
On March 04 2012 06:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Don't worry too much, people love drama.
Overall, while it certainly might have been a little unfavorable for Incontrol, it's absurd to blow this thing out of proportion as if Incontrol only lost because of this map. He still lost 4-2 and he certainly had the possibility to win despite the map.
Also, based on his comments in this thread, but also for quite some time, I'm significantly more annoyed by Incontrol's double standards and ongoing overractions to any critical comment while he doesn't hesitate to use clear words himself. Yes, a manner-bear would have accepted the more balanced map, but a cool-headed person also would have accepted the bad map that is in the pool. Deal with it.
On March 04 2012 06:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Don't worry too much, people love drama.
Overall, while it certainly might have been a little unfavorable for Incontrol, it's absurd to blow this thing out of proportion as if Incontrol only lost because of this map. He still lost 4-2 and he certainly had the possibility to win despite the map.
Also, based on his comments in this thread, but also for quite some time, I'm significantly more annoyed by Incontrol's double standards and ongoing overractions to any critical comment while he doesn't hesitate to use clear words himself. Yes, a manner-bear would have accepted the more balanced map, but a cool-headed person also would have accepted the bad map that is in the pool. Deal with it.
Is it that english isn't your first language?
I did accept the map. What double standards do you see from me? What overreactions?
On March 04 2012 07:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ImbaTV should stick to what it specializes in: entertaining broadcasts.
issues came up in both seasons 1 and 2 of this month long event regarding rules and maps. in Season 1 some claim the over all winner had the match given to him by the loser.. because the winner would win a lot more money for the win than the loser would get. So the speculation is the final week loser of season 1 just handed it to him.
in the final KOTH of season 1 the winner had the chance to win like $500 and the guy who eventually lost only had a chance at $100. that is why this behind the scenes agreement was struck and the final weeks matches of season 1 were essentially choreographed.
the rules of this KOTH are convoluted and confusing.
if Imba.tv has extra cash... i recommend they become the sponsor of an event and let people who specialize in event management and execution do what they do best. sponsor a CraftCup.. or maybe and SCVRush.com event... or some other event.
Good Try Imba.tv.. your heart is in the right place.. but u guys are pretty disorganized.
First of all jim... The fights in Season 1 where not by all means handed to him. The community voted on Teamliquid.net in the first place. The community also voted on White-ra playing in each week as he left it up for the people to decide. You must be out of your mind to think otherwise. And no
season 1 were essentially choreographed.
this is not true by any means at all. Ask the previous players and ask whitera they will tell you the same. The rules of the koth from season one to seaon 2 did change. Reason being - The main sponsor of the event had started another job and could no longer set up and push forward for season 2. That is why there are differences in the rules / prize pools.
You really have no ground here and it seems your just trying to stir the shit pot. Seriously everyone has to learn from mistakes and Season 2 was a very fun event for all players and all viewers besides this map issue. So by your current state of mind you are saying because we allowed for a certain map into the rules we should give up? Well too bad because we will keep pushing and we will keep putting content forward as we correct our mistakes in the future.
Overall. Incontrol handled things pretty well... people spazzing about how Incontrol behaved might be angry about something he did in the past and are now just "nit picking" through any slight conflict he has.
On March 04 2012 07:20 mcduffs wrote: You really have no ground here and it seems your just trying to stir the shit pot. Seriously everyone has to learn from mistakes and Season 2 was a very fun event for all players and all viewers besides this map issue. So by your current state of mind you are saying because we allowed for a certain map into the rules we should give up? Well too bad because we will keep pushing and we will keep putting content forward as we correct our mistakes in the future.
This is not my theory... if you read the thread.. its someone else's.
Speculation along this line occurred because player A had the opportunity to win a lot more money than player B. If 1 player can win like $500 and another player can only win $100 you can see how motives may change.
On March 04 2012 07:20 mcduffs wrote: You really have no ground here and it seems your just trying to stir the shit pot. Seriously everyone has to learn from mistakes and Season 2 was a very fun event for all players and all viewers besides this map issue. So by your current state of mind you are saying because we allowed for a certain map into the rules we should give up? Well too bad because we will keep pushing and we will keep putting content forward as we correct our mistakes in the future.
This is not my theory... if you read the thread.. its someone else's.
Speculation along this line occurred because player A had the opportunity to win a lot more money than player B. If 1 player can win like $500 and another player can only win $100 you can see how motives may change.
That's just a badly designed structure.
If this structure was so bad wouldn't players say no to playing it? I could be just crazy but it seems you still have no argument here jim.
On March 04 2012 07:26 mcduffs wrote: If this structure was so bad wouldn't players say no to playing it? I could be just crazy but it seems you still have no argument here jim.
it comes down to hours played versus potential prize money.
if i have a chance to win $X for Y hours of "work"/"play" then I'll take it if X/Y is large enough... players enter events hoping they are well organized but never really know until they are in the middle of the event if it is well organized... and even if its poorly organized if .. X/Y is high enough they'll follow the money and play any way.
i'm too lazy to dig up the old thread. but, the guy who thought the Season 1 final week's matches were thrown stated it was because of the large discrepancy in prize money offered to each player. Player A could win 5X more than Player B.
So Player B throws the games and receives a portion of the much larger prize money after the games are over.
In a better designed event: Player A and Player B should play against each other for the same amount of money. To prevent the kind of speculation I am discussing.
Let me make an extreme example. You and I are going to have a show match in SC2.
I can win $50,000,0000 and you can win $50. What do you think the outcome will be?
I'll contact you... we'll agree to let me win.. and I'll send you $10,000 after its over.
That was the speculation with the Season 1 final week..
To prevent this kind of speculation i recommend no discrepancies in prize money for any single game.
Its funny .. here you are attacking me while i recommend a better way to run your season 3.
On March 04 2012 06:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Don't worry too much, people love drama.
Overall, while it certainly might have been a little unfavorable for Incontrol, it's absurd to blow this thing out of proportion as if Incontrol only lost because of this map. He still lost 4-2 and he certainly had the possibility to win despite the map.
Also, based on his comments in this thread, but also for quite some time, I'm significantly more annoyed by Incontrol's double standards and ongoing overractions to any critical comment while he doesn't hesitate to use clear words himself. Yes, a manner-bear would have accepted the more balanced map, but a cool-headed person also would have accepted the bad map that is in the pool. Deal with it.
Is it that english isn't your first language?
I did accept the map. What double standards do you see from me? What overreactions?
In general you should probably just go away..
Wow, I didn't mean to insult you and I also like your casting, but the tone of you answer actually represents what I critized. I write a single sentence about you and you passively flame my language skills (or what did your question aim at?) and you tell me to "just go away". Why so angry?
Examples for overreactions: Instead of writing one clear statement (like Cypo did) you write a bunch of hot headed comments to random posters. That happens regularly after you have a debated appearance in a show. I have no problem with edgy comments, but that's what I refered to with double standards: You have no problem with expressing your oppinion in a very "direct" manner and want other people to accept it, but whenever someone slightly critizises you, you fall into a total defense mode (and tell them to "go away").
However, again, I don't want to flame you and I generally don't care about BM at all, my comment was just an observation. Just think about if maybe you could react a little cooler sometimes...
And also I hope this post pleases your language expectations. If it doesn't, please give me some pointers, I need to work on it.
On March 04 2012 06:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Don't worry too much, people love drama.
Overall, while it certainly might have been a little unfavorable for Incontrol, it's absurd to blow this thing out of proportion as if Incontrol only lost because of this map. He still lost 4-2 and he certainly had the possibility to win despite the map.
Also, based on his comments in this thread, but also for quite some time, I'm significantly more annoyed by Incontrol's double standards and ongoing overractions to any critical comment while he doesn't hesitate to use clear words himself. Yes, a manner-bear would have accepted the more balanced map, but a cool-headed person also would have accepted the bad map that is in the pool. Deal with it.
Is it that english isn't your first language?
I did accept the map. What double standards do you see from me? What overreactions?
In general you should probably just go away..
He's probably referring to the public persona that you have undoubtedly created for yourself, willingly or not. The double standard probably being the comments you have said on SotG and other shows when it comes to drama. To me it seems like you preach being the bigger man in situations. Just like IdrA, Sheth and others who have made a "character" for themselves you also have to be prepared for the reactions of the fans when you go outside of what you'd normally do.
On March 04 2012 06:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Don't worry too much, people love drama.
Overall, while it certainly might have been a little unfavorable for Incontrol, it's absurd to blow this thing out of proportion as if Incontrol only lost because of this map. He still lost 4-2 and he certainly had the possibility to win despite the map.
Also, based on his comments in this thread, but also for quite some time, I'm significantly more annoyed by Incontrol's double standards and ongoing overractions to any critical comment while he doesn't hesitate to use clear words himself. Yes, a manner-bear would have accepted the more balanced map, but a cool-headed person also would have accepted the bad map that is in the pool. Deal with it.
Is it that english isn't your first language?
I did accept the map. What double standards do you see from me? What overreactions?
On March 04 2012 06:37 ThatGuy89 wrote: i think if this whole situation was put to the public, but no names were mentioned it would be alot different. If someone came out and said that the rules 'said' Metalopolis (i put said in speech marks cos the map pool just said metalopolis, and i think everyone would automatically, upon seeing it, think it was a balanced version as opposed to the garbage that blizz made in this case) and then the 2 players (not naming either of them) got into an argument about which version it should be on. At which point it was decided that it would be the imbalanced version, in which case the player who wanted to imba map abused it the best they could.
If you put that to the public, you would have half as many people hating on incontrol as you do now. Unfortunately he just gets alot of hate. Yea maybe he didnt handle it perfectly, but all the people flaming him for are dont have any idea what its like to be in that situation. Where youre 0-3 down in a BO7 against a player far inferior to you (no offence intended) and when you know you'll get alot of stick if you lose. you start a comback and on a pivital game youre gonna have to play on a completely ZvP favoured map, and thats metal as it is, nevermind with the gold in. But i think he was right to complain about it, maybe not so aggresively though.
And i can bet any amount of money that if incontrol somehow managed to end a SHOWMATCH (i put that in caps cos people are always saying that showmatches are about entertainment and fun games) in a way like this becuase he picked an imbalanced map, he'd get so much hate it would probably break the internet
that being said, both players played well and deserve congratulations, shame the same cant be said for the casters/admins
I just finished watching the series on VOD as I missed the live broadcast.
I can't fault Cytoplasm for wanting to stick with the map pool. I don't know how much he needs the money/win for his career and he was absolutely following the rules. I do think Incontrol should have let it drop after the referees had made their ruling.
That being said, as a fan, it would have been nice from an entertainment perspective for Cytoplasm to say, "you know what, I beat this guy three times on maps of his choice, I can beat him once more." And allow the MLG version to be substituted. Instead, I got to see what was shaping up to be a nice comeback from Incontrol end with Cytoplasm putting on clinic for why ladder metalopolis is an imbalanced map.
So like I said, I can't say he did anything wrong, but I think it would have been classy (read above and beyond the call and praiseworthy sportsmanship) to let it play out on the MLG map.
Thanks to the organizers for fixing it and offering Incontrol a shot in season three. I hope they are successful in the future. Also it would have been more professional not to be discussing their decision regarding the rules on stream. That was super awkward. I would recommend they try to keep that behind the scenes in the future.
- map was in the pool, you call yourself professional you absolutley need to be aware of that.
- imba map ? Well maybe, but i wouldnt change the map either. Am i an asshole because of that ? I dont think so, there is money on the line, it stood in the rules. I personally would "rage" at imbatv but why would anyone hate the player ? I mean you can throw away your advantage but thats ... you know ?!
- Imo flaming during a "progamer-match" is something that shouldnt really ever happen, it makes everything just look so unproffesional.
Those are facts, you just cant argue with most of them. I dont hate incontrol, neither i love him - pretty cool mannered guy, as far as i knew till now -. Imo this whole discussion makes it just worse, just stop it and stop flaming anyone. There are points for and against but i can understand cyto really well, and even every incontrol fanboy should read his post and rethink theire comments. Just think incontrol was in this position and wanted the "imba-map", everybody here would say YEAH SURE STOOD IN THE RULES LOLOL... think about it.
On March 04 2012 06:53 imbalanced.tv wrote: We will not allow this type of mistake to happen again and we are learning from these mistakes to correct them in the future. We only want to put more into the community not take away from it because we are all about the community and about the people who make it happen.
Don't worry too much, people love drama.
Overall, while it certainly might have been a little unfavorable for Incontrol, it's absurd to blow this thing out of proportion as if Incontrol only lost because of this map. He still lost 4-2 and he certainly had the possibility to win despite the map.
Also, based on his comments in this thread, but also for quite some time, I'm significantly more annoyed by Incontrol's double standards and ongoing overractions to any critical comment while he doesn't hesitate to use clear words himself. Yes, a manner-bear would have accepted the more balanced map, but a cool-headed person also would have accepted the bad map that is in the pool. Deal with it.
Is it that english isn't your first language?
I did accept the map. What double standards do you see from me? What overreactions?
In general you should probably just go away..
Wow, I didn't mean to insult you and I also like your casting, but the tone of you answer actually represents what I critized. I write a single sentence about you and you passively flame my language skills (or what did your question aim at?) and you tell me to "just go away". Why so angry?
Examples for overreactions: Instead of writing one clear statement (like Cypo did) you write a bunch of hot headed comments to random posters. That happens regularly after you have a debated appearance in a show. I have no problem with edgy comments, but that's what I refered to with double standards: You have no problem with expressing your oppinion in a very "direct" manner and want other people to accept it, but whenever someone slightly critizises you, you fall into a total defense mode (and tell them to "go away").
However, again, I don't want to flame you and I generally don't care about BM at all, my comment was just an observation. Just think about if maybe you could react a little cooler sometimes...
And also I hope this post pleases your language expectations. If it doesn't, please give me some pointers, I need to work on it.
I have had the same feeling for quite a while now, so thanks for pointing that out Antitheses. I used to really like Incontrol but his behaviour in this and a lot of others threads I've read recently is just silly and childish. Don't want to hate on him either but maybe he should consider working on that..
Anyways: I think people should stop making a big deal out of each and every mistake a player/organisation makes. Sure, the mappool situation was less then ideal but IMBAtv apologized and want to change it now so let's just move on instead of being like "Oh, they made this mistake, they suck, I will never watch anything they do ever again".
I have to say I quite enjoy this whole incident. Just a very good example why we should have standardized map versions and also an universal map pool of maps that are proven to be somewhat balanced. It's quite retarded when outdated and imbalanced maps are played and it's also too many maps and map versions around for pros to practice the maps properly.
That said the fanboys seem to cry a bit too much in here. Cytoplasm didn't do anything wrong. From reading the map pool it's pretty clear that it's not a modified version.
Also Incontrol, why so angry? From reading your posts in here you don't appear to be very likeable...
On March 05 2012 00:07 Humvee_Ruin wrote: Not to be a killjoy or a side tracker or anything, but when will voting for the next week take place?
There will be no poll for next week since the season is over. We are working on bringing you guys season 3 very soon with new players and better maps. Keep an eye on the original post thats where we will update the rules maps and players for season 3 once everything is prepared.
On March 05 2012 00:07 Humvee_Ruin wrote: Not to be a killjoy or a side tracker or anything, but when will voting for the next week take place?
There will be no poll for next week since the season is over. We are working on brining you guys season 3 very soon with new players and better maps. Keep an eye on the original post thats where we will update the rules maps and players for season 3 once everything is prepared.
Thanks for the help and thank you IMBA.tv for this amazing KOTH.
On March 05 2012 00:07 Humvee_Ruin wrote: Not to be a killjoy or a side tracker or anything, but when will voting for the next week take place?
There will be no poll for next week since the season is over. We are working on bringing you guys season 3 very soon with new players and better maps. Keep an eye on the original post thats where we will update the rules maps and players for season 3 once everything is prepared.
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