Great maps and hopefully a great tournament.

I hope we keep seeing more custom map initiatives from community organizers. Korean weekly and motm are great but more more more.

VirgilSC2

United States6151 Posts

November 10 2011 22:55 GMT

#22

Sanshorn Mists AE <3

chuky500

France473 Posts

November 10 2011 22:58 GMT

#23

What did you think of my map Back to Back ?
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From the map contest thread it sounded like you wanted creativity and innovation.

Ruscour

5233 Posts

November 10 2011 23:00 GMT

#24

On November 11 2011 07:45 prodiG wrote:
I'M REALLY UNHAPPY WITH THESE CHOICES. I CAN'T BELIEVE MY MAPS DIDN'T GET PICKED. OBVIOUSLY IPL HAS NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND THE JUDGES ARE OFF THEIR MEDS. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH TIME I PUT INTO ALL THESE MAPS AND YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO INSULT ME LIKE THIS?!

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jk. great job everyone! i really like zhakul'das rift aside from it's straight path nat-nat. Sandshorn Mist AE is in my opinion the best 2-spawn map in existence atm so it's well deserving. ESV IS INNNNNNN THEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEE

Ahaha, nice play on the TPW guy. A great attitude you have ^^

prodiG

Canada2016 Posts

November 10 2011 23:00 GMT

#25

On November 11 2011 07:49 Mirhi wrote:

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We really liked 2 of your maps, but they just barely didn't make it in the 5. We got down to about 13 maps and had a really hard time narrowing it down after that.

I hear that. That's often how it went during my time with Map of the Month. Glad to hear I came close!

XRaDiiX

Canada1730 Posts

November 10 2011 23:02 GMT

#26

There maps are awesome to see as a Zerg player... Big wide open Spaces all over these maps and most of the ramps are huge!!

Atlantis SpaceShip... best aesthetically pleasing map i see in this map pool!

Mirhi

United States389 Posts

November 10 2011 23:05 GMT

#27

On November 11 2011 07:58 chuky500 wrote:
What did you think of my map Back to Back ?
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From the map contest thread it sounded like you wanted creativity and innovation.

Overall we did like this map (7/10), but there were a few things we didn't, such as the path around the back of the natural / main. It seemed like heaven for tank / marine drops (similar to how Shakuras works now in the back of mains except even more abusable because it covers 2 bases).

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

November 10 2011 23:06 GMT

#28

What did you think of Ohana?
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LunaSaint

United Kingdom620 Posts

November 10 2011 23:08 GMT

#29

amg amg Zhakul'das Rift is beautiful! It's like someone made a horrible Bel'shir map and then my favourite texture set tears a hole in it and makes it awesome. ♥

I also love Sanshorn Mists and Alyssar Deluge, and Darkness Falls has some cool aspects in those high ground passages.

Atlantis Spaceship is a big wild card, though - I was put off a bit first because it was hard to see what's going on. On closer inspection I can see there's a lot of really different elements that could go well or badly.

EDIT: Also, I would be interested in feedback on VIP Parking and Gaia's Cradle, though I already now have a better understanding of how their high ground thirds are too defensive.

Mirhi

United States389 Posts

November 10 2011 23:08 GMT

#30

On November 11 2011 07:51 IronManSC wrote:
I'd like personal feedback on Ohana please.

I do not remember Ohana in particular, but I do know that we really like 3 different TPW maps that just barely didn't make it into the top 5.

Edit: We didn't actually look at it because it came in after the deadline (just checked), but in general we didn't like maps that had 2 paths into the natural that were easily accessible. For the current state of the meta game and many complicated reasons we wanted the maps to have secure natural bases overall, but we rewarded innovation in many facets.

XRaDiiX

Canada1730 Posts

November 10 2011 23:13 GMT

#31

On November 11 2011 08:06 IronManSC wrote:
What did you think of Ohana?
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This map is awesome looking i've tried a few custom games with it. I've downloaded most of the TPW maps tried out a bunch of them so far...!

Mirhi

United States389 Posts

November 10 2011 23:13 GMT

#32

On November 11 2011 08:08 LunaSaint wrote:
amg amg Zhakul'das Rift is beautiful! It's like someone made a horrible Bel'shir map and then my favourite texture set tears a hole in it and makes it awesome. ♥

I also love Sanshorn Mists and Alyssar Deluge, and Darkness Falls has some cool aspects in those high ground passages.

Atlantis Spaceship is a big wild card, though - I was put off a bit first because it was hard to see what's going on. On closer inspection I can see there's a lot of really different elements that could go well or badly.

EDIT: Also, I would be interested in feedback on VIP Parking and Gaia's Cradle, though I already now have a better understanding of how their high ground thirds are too defensive.

We loved both VIP Parking and Gaia's Gradle, both quality maps about 7/10.

Edit: An issue with VIP Parking was that it gave a bit too much of a defender's advantage in some places and it seemed that it would be cut in half almost all the time.

chuky500

France473 Posts

November 10 2011 23:15 GMT

#33

Thanks for the feedback on Back to Back. I just want to say because it's so obvious you can drop there, players will place defense. The fact that it covers both bases makes it easier to defend since you can defend from both sides. Static defense works for both bases so overall it makes the defense easier than if bases where far appart.

FlopTurnReaver

Switzerland1980 Posts

November 10 2011 23:20 GMT

#34

Good thing the TPW guys are already temp banned^^

Congrats to the winners!

Mirhi

United States389 Posts

November 10 2011 23:22 GMT

#35

Since I'm basically going on and on about individual maps I'll just post something more general:

There were many combination of criteria but overall we chose maps that included:

Non-abusable main and natural bases
Few Xel'naga towers
Well / creatively placed or no destructible rocks
Creative terrain
Well designed aesthetics
Both open spaces and choke points

It goes without saying that we tried to eliminate maps that favored one race or another. One particular perhaps unusual criteria we included was "Can a Protoss Forge Fast Expand on this map?" It didn't always disqualify a map if the answer was no, but we feel that this is an important part of the current meta game and we wanted maps that could support it.

We also wanted maps that didn't have adverse affects on ZvZ and PvP as these matchups are already extremely volatile.

Superouman

France2195 Posts

November 10 2011 23:27 GMT

#36

On November 11 2011 08:22 Mirhi wrote:
There were many combination of criteria but overall we chose maps that included:

Non-abusable main and natural bases
Few Xel'naga towers
Well / creatively placed or no destructible rocks
Creative terrain
Well designed aesthetics
Both open spaces and choke points

I think this is the best description of Cloud Kingdom, i am honestly surprised that you guys picked Sanshorn Mist over that map. I'd like to know the reasons you didn't pick it.

a176

Canada6688 Posts

November 10 2011 23:30 GMT

#37

no 3 spawn map?

Mirhi

United States389 Posts

November 10 2011 23:31 GMT

#38

On November 11 2011 08:27 Superouman wrote:

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I think this is the best description of Cloud Kingdom, i am honestly surprised that you guys picked Sanshorn Mist over that map. I'd like to know the reasons you didn't pick it.

It was one of the ones at the cutoff as well. If I remember our discussion correctly, the defenders advantage was perceived as being a bit too high. We also felt we had a few maps of the same style that were slightly better designed that we liked slightly more and didn't want to pick identical maps.