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Leifish
Profile Joined July 2011
851 Posts
November 13 2011 08:06 GMT
#141
On November 13 2011 13:07 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:11 Leifish wrote:
I think it's clear that Ryung hasn't been looking too motivated in this series. I don't think it would be wise to view these games as an example of Ryung's capabilities.

What I would like to see is a Ryung vs. Sheth match in a competition where a substantial prize pool is on the line. This applies for all top-level match-ups for me.

Either way, big thanks for IPL for these fantastic events.

I guess $500 means nothing to you?


Honest opinion? I'm part of the 1%.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 08:35:30
November 13 2011 08:24 GMT
#142
On November 13 2011 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:33 Bd.Snake wrote:
You can't take any of these games seriously because of lag and what not and it's not a excuse its just plainly unfair

Hmm such as Hero 7-0 NASL, SlayerS beating both Mouz and Liquid, and EG using Puma in every ace match they find?

The delay (it's not even lag) exists but it is nothing like you're making it out to be.



but it was enough for jinro to opt out of nasl season 1? oh snap :D

On November 13 2011 17:06 Leifish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 13:07 Kennigit wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:11 Leifish wrote:
I think it's clear that Ryung hasn't been looking too motivated in this series. I don't think it would be wise to view these games as an example of Ryung's capabilities.

What I would like to see is a Ryung vs. Sheth match in a competition where a substantial prize pool is on the line. This applies for all top-level match-ups for me.

Either way, big thanks for IPL for these fantastic events.

I guess $500 means nothing to you?


Honest opinion? I'm part of the 1%.


ask any gamer, any real gamer. its doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. point is, they could be playing for a peice of bubble gum, and anyone who is competitive enough to get to this level, would want to win. because they love to win.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 13 2011 08:42 GMT
#143
Yeah Sheth!!!

Knew he could do it :D
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
OGKruemmel
Profile Joined March 2011
Croatia270 Posts
November 13 2011 09:51 GMT
#144
man sheth, really GJ.
And for all the lag whiners: Slayers for example are ripping are apart foreign team with their lag aswell. The isnt that hart, that you cant play.
ClaytonBigsby
Profile Joined November 2011
Uganda35 Posts
November 13 2011 09:57 GMT
#145
Sheth played well. Didn't think this was Ryung's best performance though.. perhaps on a better day!
BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
November 13 2011 10:07 GMT
#146
On November 13 2011 17:24 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:33 Bd.Snake wrote:
You can't take any of these games seriously because of lag and what not and it's not a excuse its just plainly unfair

Hmm such as Hero 7-0 NASL, SlayerS beating both Mouz and Liquid, and EG using Puma in every ace match they find?

The delay (it's not even lag) exists but it is nothing like you're making it out to be.



but it was enough for jinro to opt out of nasl season 1? oh snap :D

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 17:06 Leifish wrote:
On November 13 2011 13:07 Kennigit wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:11 Leifish wrote:
I think it's clear that Ryung hasn't been looking too motivated in this series. I don't think it would be wise to view these games as an example of Ryung's capabilities.

What I would like to see is a Ryung vs. Sheth match in a competition where a substantial prize pool is on the line. This applies for all top-level match-ups for me.

Either way, big thanks for IPL for these fantastic events.

I guess $500 means nothing to you?


Honest opinion? I'm part of the 1%.


ask any gamer, any real gamer. its doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. point is, they could be playing for a peice of bubble gum, and anyone who is competitive enough to get to this level, would want to win. because they love to win.


Ask any poster, any REAL poster. Quoting the Fast and the Furious is the lamest thing you can do.
pampelmus
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Switzerland215 Posts
November 13 2011 11:51 GMT
#147
lol at finding excuses for ryung and heroizing all these korean dudes.
sheth kicked ass. end of story.

congrats!
Farone
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
November 13 2011 11:54 GMT
#148
nice sheth!
MC, Stephano, Ret, Jjakji, Grubby, Life, HerO, Scarlett, TaeJa
probablywrong
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Philippines209 Posts
November 13 2011 11:55 GMT
#149
On November 13 2011 17:24 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:33 Bd.Snake wrote:
You can't take any of these games seriously because of lag and what not and it's not a excuse its just plainly unfair

Hmm such as Hero 7-0 NASL, SlayerS beating both Mouz and Liquid, and EG using Puma in every ace match they find?

The delay (it's not even lag) exists but it is nothing like you're making it out to be.



but it was enough for jinro to opt out of nasl season 1? oh snap :D




Well he's playing season 2. And he never bothered to apply for season 1. so what's your point?
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
November 13 2011 11:55 GMT
#150
Oh snap ! Go Sheth! :D
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
November 13 2011 12:09 GMT
#151
On November 13 2011 17:24 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:33 Bd.Snake wrote:
You can't take any of these games seriously because of lag and what not and it's not a excuse its just plainly unfair

Hmm such as Hero 7-0 NASL, SlayerS beating both Mouz and Liquid, and EG using Puma in every ace match they find?

The delay (it's not even lag) exists but it is nothing like you're making it out to be.



but it was enough for jinro to opt out of nasl season 1? oh snap :D

Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 17:06 Leifish wrote:
On November 13 2011 13:07 Kennigit wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:11 Leifish wrote:
I think it's clear that Ryung hasn't been looking too motivated in this series. I don't think it would be wise to view these games as an example of Ryung's capabilities.

What I would like to see is a Ryung vs. Sheth match in a competition where a substantial prize pool is on the line. This applies for all top-level match-ups for me.

Either way, big thanks for IPL for these fantastic events.

I guess $500 means nothing to you?


Honest opinion? I'm part of the 1%.


ask any gamer, any real gamer. its doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. point is, they could be playing for a peice of bubble gum, and anyone who is competitive enough to get to this level, would want to win. because they love to win.

Has Jinro performed up to par since his GSL glory days? That 1 tournament is the only reason he is famous today, and although he's a good player, he hasn't been successful in any major tournament since his ro8? showing in one of the earlier GSL's. Sorry but Jinro can't be compared to top level Korean players. The fact of the matter is that Ryung isn't that good. Sheth isn't awesome, but he is better than Ryung. Period.

2nd part. Ask any gamer, any real gamer. It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. But players don't play their best unless they are playing in a major tournament that they want to win for their own benefit. They are used to winning by now, and winning a small $500 prize pool (I'm very poor and would LOVE $500, but for the gamers who are actual pro gamers, $500 is nothing more than a week or 2's worth of outings) isn't worth giving it your all. You must be very new to eSports thinking top level players play even 75% at ALL events they play in. They'll only play 100% at 1-2 events per relatively long period of time. (in this case it would be during GSL and MLG, whenever they play those. And you can include other events like DreamHack and ROG/other international events that happen if you are talking about lesser pro players). Players like NesTea, and MVP will only play their best game during GSL and MLG.

The reason smaller tournaments (still big, but smaller in significance), such as the Chinese tournaments, the IPL, NASL, etc, are won by other players such as elfi, MKP, IdrA, SaSe, HuK, etc, are because the players that are better than them either don't play or don't give it their all. Sure those players are good (elfi MKP and IdrA are fkin awesome), but they aren't as good as MVP, NesTea.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
November 13 2011 12:17 GMT
#152
On November 13 2011 21:09 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 17:24 turdburgler wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:33 Bd.Snake wrote:
You can't take any of these games seriously because of lag and what not and it's not a excuse its just plainly unfair

Hmm such as Hero 7-0 NASL, SlayerS beating both Mouz and Liquid, and EG using Puma in every ace match they find?

The delay (it's not even lag) exists but it is nothing like you're making it out to be.



but it was enough for jinro to opt out of nasl season 1? oh snap :D

On November 13 2011 17:06 Leifish wrote:
On November 13 2011 13:07 Kennigit wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:11 Leifish wrote:
I think it's clear that Ryung hasn't been looking too motivated in this series. I don't think it would be wise to view these games as an example of Ryung's capabilities.

What I would like to see is a Ryung vs. Sheth match in a competition where a substantial prize pool is on the line. This applies for all top-level match-ups for me.

Either way, big thanks for IPL for these fantastic events.

I guess $500 means nothing to you?


Honest opinion? I'm part of the 1%.


ask any gamer, any real gamer. its doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. point is, they could be playing for a peice of bubble gum, and anyone who is competitive enough to get to this level, would want to win. because they love to win.

Has Jinro performed up to par since his GSL glory days? That 1 tournament is the only reason he is famous today, and although he's a good player, he hasn't been successful in any major tournament since his ro8? showing in one of the earlier GSL's. Sorry but Jinro can't be compared to top level Korean players. The fact of the matter is that Ryung isn't that good. Sheth isn't awesome, but he is better than Ryung. Period.

2nd part. Ask any gamer, any real gamer. It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. But players don't play their best unless they are playing in a major tournament that they want to win for their own benefit. They are used to winning by now, and winning a small $500 prize pool (I'm very poor and would LOVE $500, but for the gamers who are actual pro gamers, $500 is nothing more than a week or 2's worth of outings) isn't worth giving it your all. You must be very new to eSports thinking top level players play even 75% at ALL events they play in. They'll only play 100% at 1-2 events per relatively long period of time. (in this case it would be during GSL and MLG, whenever they play those. And you can include other events like DreamHack and ROG/other international events that happen if you are talking about lesser pro players). Players like NesTea, and MVP will only play their best game during GSL and MLG.

The reason smaller tournaments (still big, but smaller in significance), such as the Chinese tournaments, the IPL, NASL, etc, are won by other players such as elfi, MKP, IdrA, SaSe, HuK, etc, are because the players that are better than them either don't play or don't give it their all. Sure those players are good (elfi MKP and IdrA are fkin awesome), but they aren't as good as MVP, NesTea.


GSL gives you time to prepare for your next opponent. everything else (except NASL) isnt.


this is like NBA finals. lebron is (supposed to be) the best player, but dirk and the mavs beat the crap out of the "big 3", and are the NBA champions. shouldnt matter whos supposed to be better, whoever won, won.
asdfVSqwert
Profile Joined July 2006
Germany174 Posts
November 13 2011 12:23 GMT
#153
It's still very funny how many people seem liking to discuss these issues with lag, delay, motivated or not every single time! Not only of gsl or big tournaments, but also in little showmatches...

Can't you just watch it and enjoy!? If you ever let this be, then you may enjoy more SC2!
1# Fan of myself
JimPanzer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 14:15:26
November 13 2011 14:00 GMT
#154
ryung is my favorite player! will takes this 5-1!

oh...seems as if it already took place. :[
pampelmus
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Switzerland215 Posts
November 13 2011 14:03 GMT
#155
VODs anywhere?
Nifel
Profile Joined June 2010
706 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 14:14:09
November 13 2011 14:12 GMT
#156
I see no point in making excuses for either player, all I care about is results. While my brain would have placed my bets on Ryung, I can't deny Sheth was the better player this time around. A deserved victory.
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-13 14:44:37
November 13 2011 14:43 GMT
#157
Also, 500 dollars is ro8 in GSL code A. I'm pretty sure he'd try.

Not to mention Sheth's salary is probably bigger, Sheth was probably giving even less effort than Ryung.

Probably not, but making stupid arguments is stupid. GJ Sheth, better luck next time Ryung.
ninjamyst
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1903 Posts
November 13 2011 15:54 GMT
#158
On November 13 2011 21:09 Shinta) wrote:


2nd part. Ask any gamer, any real gamer. It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. But players don't play their best unless they are playing in a major tournament that they want to win for their own benefit. They are used to winning by now, and winning a small $500 prize pool (I'm very poor and would LOVE $500, but for the gamers who are actual pro gamers, $500 is nothing more than a week or 2's worth of outings) isn't worth giving it your all. You must be very new to eSports thinking top level players play even 75% at ALL events they play in. They'll only play 100% at 1-2 events per relatively long period of time. (in this case it would be during GSL and MLG, whenever they play those. And you can include other events like DreamHack and ROG/other international events that happen if you are talking about lesser pro players). Players like NesTea, and MVP will only play their best game during GSL and MLG.

The reason smaller tournaments (still big, but smaller in significance), such as the Chinese tournaments, the IPL, NASL, etc, are won by other players such as elfi, MKP, IdrA, SaSe, HuK, etc, are because the players that are better than them either don't play or don't give it their all. Sure those players are good (elfi MKP and IdrA are fkin awesome), but they aren't as good as MVP, NesTea.


IPL and NASL both have a bigger prize pool than MLG. How do you know how top level players think?? Please don't preach your opinions like you actually know how they feel/think about winning.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
November 13 2011 16:00 GMT
#159
Wow, good job Sheth!
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
November 13 2011 16:27 GMT
#160
On November 13 2011 21:09 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 17:24 turdburgler wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:38 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:33 Bd.Snake wrote:
You can't take any of these games seriously because of lag and what not and it's not a excuse its just plainly unfair

Hmm such as Hero 7-0 NASL, SlayerS beating both Mouz and Liquid, and EG using Puma in every ace match they find?

The delay (it's not even lag) exists but it is nothing like you're making it out to be.



but it was enough for jinro to opt out of nasl season 1? oh snap :D

On November 13 2011 17:06 Leifish wrote:
On November 13 2011 13:07 Kennigit wrote:
On November 13 2011 12:11 Leifish wrote:
I think it's clear that Ryung hasn't been looking too motivated in this series. I don't think it would be wise to view these games as an example of Ryung's capabilities.

What I would like to see is a Ryung vs. Sheth match in a competition where a substantial prize pool is on the line. This applies for all top-level match-ups for me.

Either way, big thanks for IPL for these fantastic events.

I guess $500 means nothing to you?


Honest opinion? I'm part of the 1%.


ask any gamer, any real gamer. its doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. point is, they could be playing for a peice of bubble gum, and anyone who is competitive enough to get to this level, would want to win. because they love to win.

Has Jinro performed up to par since his GSL glory days? That 1 tournament is the only reason he is famous today, and although he's a good player, he hasn't been successful in any major tournament since his ro8? showing in one of the earlier GSL's. Sorry but Jinro can't be compared to top level Korean players. The fact of the matter is that Ryung isn't that good. Sheth isn't awesome, but he is better than Ryung. Period.

2nd part. Ask any gamer, any real gamer. It doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning. But players don't play their best unless they are playing in a major tournament that they want to win for their own benefit. They are used to winning by now, and winning a small $500 prize pool (I'm very poor and would LOVE $500, but for the gamers who are actual pro gamers, $500 is nothing more than a week or 2's worth of outings) isn't worth giving it your all. You must be very new to eSports thinking top level players play even 75% at ALL events they play in. They'll only play 100% at 1-2 events per relatively long period of time. (in this case it would be during GSL and MLG, whenever they play those. And you can include other events like DreamHack and ROG/other international events that happen if you are talking about lesser pro players). Players like NesTea, and MVP will only play their best game during GSL and MLG.

The reason smaller tournaments (still big, but smaller in significance), such as the Chinese tournaments, the IPL, NASL, etc, are won by other players such as elfi, MKP, IdrA, SaSe, HuK, etc, are because the players that are better than them either don't play or don't give it their all. Sure those players are good (elfi MKP and IdrA are fkin awesome), but they aren't as good as MVP, NesTea.


1. Jinro won an MLG, which he is known for in that regard.
2. You're wrong about the prize pool. Many progamers are hardly making any money whatsoever. This was especially true in BW, where the players not on the A-team hardly received any salary, but rather just rent + barely enough to eat. They need all the money they can get, they are hardly living a luxurious lifestyle.
3. You must be very new to esports if you don't think progamers are giving it at least 75% at all times in a tourney setting. If they weren't going to give 75% they wouldn't sign up.
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