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On November 10 2011 01:08 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:01 Scribble wrote:On November 10 2011 00:50 Coolhwip wrote:On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far.. You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc) What? Out of 5 P in the Ro32, 5 made it to the Ro16. That is not < 1/3. Unless you mean that Protoss represents less than 1/3 of the racial distribution in the Ro16, but if that's the case, why phrase it so obtusely? Also, if that is the case 3 doesn't divide into 16 evenly. The best you can hope for is a 6 / 5 / 5 spread; there will always be at least one race comprising < 1/3 of the Ro16. Also, to reiterate, every Protoss left has advanced out of their groups. What is it that compels you whine about the balance here? Apparently some people will not be happy unless a protoss gets so good that he is able to reverse time and cause there to be more protoss in the Ro32. Like...the 19 terrans in the Ro32 were leftovers from previous seasons in which the format meant a ridiculously small number of players dropped from Code S and therefore realigning the racial imbalance was going to take months and months. Seriously, who looks at this GSL thus far, sees EVERY protoss advance and still says 'well they aren't doing that well, there's only 5 in the Ro16'.
It wasn't JUST the gsl that made people comment on the state of Toss. It's obstinate to say that the last few months were good competitive months of Starcraft. One day with the Toss' able to survive such a horrible period against frankly some of the excess Terrans on a map pool that has been tailored to try and fix the problem means little.
1/1/1 will still continue to dominate especially on certain maps.
Ghosts in the late game willl still be super strong though there have been developments as the remaining toss have had to become mechanically superior to keep templar alive and now more skill will be required in aiming emps.
Maps like Calm before the storm were specifically designed to bring about a more balanced result by being a "toss" map.
In PvZ it was the extreme eco edge that made the difference. Certain maps emphasized this feature.
Do you want a competitive multirace game or not?
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Holy shit Group A is going to be brutal.
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Wow ro16 group A of death.. GOO HUKKKKK
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On November 10 2011 01:17 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:08 The KY wrote:On November 10 2011 01:01 Scribble wrote:On November 10 2011 00:50 Coolhwip wrote:On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far.. You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc) What? Out of 5 P in the Ro32, 5 made it to the Ro16. That is not < 1/3. Unless you mean that Protoss represents less than 1/3 of the racial distribution in the Ro16, but if that's the case, why phrase it so obtusely? Also, if that is the case 3 doesn't divide into 16 evenly. The best you can hope for is a 6 / 5 / 5 spread; there will always be at least one race comprising < 1/3 of the Ro16. Also, to reiterate, every Protoss left has advanced out of their groups. What is it that compels you whine about the balance here? Apparently some people will not be happy unless a protoss gets so good that he is able to reverse time and cause there to be more protoss in the Ro32. Like...the 19 terrans in the Ro32 were leftovers from previous seasons in which the format meant a ridiculously small number of players dropped from Code S and therefore realigning the racial imbalance was going to take months and months. Seriously, who looks at this GSL thus far, sees EVERY protoss advance and still says 'well they aren't doing that well, there's only 5 in the Ro16'. It wasn't JUST the gsl that made people comment on the state of Toss. It's obstinate to say that the last few months were good competitive months of Starcraft. One day with the Toss' able to survive such a horrible period against frankly some of the excess Terrans on a map pool that has been tailored to try and fix the problem means little. 1/1/1 will still continue to dominate especially on certain maps. Ghosts in the late game willl still be super strong though there have been developments as the remaining toss have had to become mechanically superior to keep templar alive and now more skill will be required in aiming emps. Maps like Calm before the storm were specifically designed to bring about a more balanced result by being a "toss" map. In PvZ it was the extreme eco edge that made the difference. Certain maps emphasized this feature. Do you want a competitive multirace game or not?
Toss has been doing relatively well for, I'd say, about a month now. Certainly there was a period where protoss were getting dicked; this was a part of my point. The Ro32 for this season is a result of previous seasons; it is a relic of a time where protoss could not beat terran for whatever reason (and that reason is NOT absolutely and necessarily balance). It was also a result of a wonky format where dropping out of Code S was unreasonably difficult.
Plus your point on maps making the game more balanced seems odd to me; it is well established that in BW the game was only balanced because people worked so hard to make maps that tailored to certain races strengths. Maps contributing to balance is not a problem, it does not delegitamise the fact that protoss are batting five for five.
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wow HuK is tearin shit up. and grats to puzzle. good to see protoss make it
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I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist
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yay 3 protoss made it out, good job!
finally clide drops to code a, i hope he gets knocked out xD
jjakji pretty good eh??!
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On November 10 2011 00:49 Sabu113 wrote:
Yay a good day :D
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Lol 1 day of tosses who have survived the culling of the last few months and we're being a little too optimistic. Look at who has been eliminated so far. Also note what gom did with the maps for Toss. Lets not get overexcited kids. Everyone was optimistic after Orlando and then the next set of tournaments corrected that misperception.
Which tournament are you talking about?
ESWC - P second
IeSF world champ - P second
Samsung Euro Champ - P first
ASUS RoG - P third
ESV Korean finals - P first and second
The only two major events where P did not finish top 3 were Blizzcon where Naniwa was the only recognizable toss and finished 4th and GSL finals, where everything apart from finals was already played before MLG. In the current GSL, toss are doing well in Code A and S. I am not sure which tournaments you are referring to.
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United States15275 Posts
On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist
Fanboys will be fanboys.
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I have faith in Huk, dont forget that many of his mediocer results in code S have come at a time when even staying in code S was actually a good result for a protoss user. I honestly belive he is quite possibly the best protoss player in the world ATM, and with protoss looking really good right now, this is a good opportunity for him to make a run.
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Protoss fighting, this makes me very happy.
Gogo Huk
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On November 09 2011 17:54 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 17:41 babylon wrote:On November 09 2011 17:05 Sarang wrote:On November 09 2011 16:53 babylon wrote:On November 09 2011 16:49 Confuse wrote:As usual predictions are in order; SuperNova, Jjakji, Clide, July. After a certain player fell out last night I lost a LOT of interest though  Best of luck Huk... I know, right? All the players I wanted to root for this GSL got knocked out already. Ugh. Makes it hard to care. Gogo, Virus, I guess. I mean, why the hell not? But ... Clide! D: He's who I'm cheering for now. ;D Still too depressed over NaDa/Taeja/Bomber to care much. (And NaDa has to play my boy Soccer in Code A, which makes it even worse. Augggggh, NaDa, why do you do this to me?) I guess I want Virus, Jjakji, and July to advance. Virus, because everyone shits on him season after season -- yeah, I'm looking at you, Fionn -- when he's definitely better than a player like Ensnare. Jjakji still needs to strut his stuff and represent NsHS, while July is July. If Virus finishes above Supernova in the group, I will write an apology to Virus in the next GSL article about how I underestimated him and that I am sorry that I ever doubted his skill.
Virus didn't advance from the group but he sure finished above Supernova.
Hey, Fionn!
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On November 10 2011 01:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist Fanboys will be fanboys.
huk participated in less GSLs and he met MVP in ro16. if you lose to mvp that doesnt mean u cant beat everyone else in the tournament.
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VERY happy for Sangho he's one of the most underrated player in korea. Also supernova vs jjakji was one of the funniest game i've ever watched. great day of GSL overall
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On November 10 2011 01:59 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 17:54 Fionn wrote:On November 09 2011 17:41 babylon wrote:On November 09 2011 17:05 Sarang wrote:On November 09 2011 16:53 babylon wrote:On November 09 2011 16:49 Confuse wrote:As usual predictions are in order; SuperNova, Jjakji, Clide, July. After a certain player fell out last night I lost a LOT of interest though Best of luck Huk... I know, right? All the players I wanted to root for this GSL got knocked out already. Ugh. Makes it hard to care. Gogo, Virus, I guess. I mean, why the hell not? But ... Clide! D: He's who I'm cheering for now. ;D Still too depressed over NaDa/Taeja/Bomber to care much. (And NaDa has to play my boy Soccer in Code A, which makes it even worse. Augggggh, NaDa, why do you do this to me?) I guess I want Virus, Jjakji, and July to advance. Virus, because everyone shits on him season after season -- yeah, I'm looking at you, Fionn -- when he's definitely better than a player like Ensnare. Jjakji still needs to strut his stuff and represent NsHS, while July is July. If Virus finishes above Supernova in the group, I will write an apology to Virus in the next GSL article about how I underestimated him and that I am sorry that I ever doubted his skill. Virus didn't advance from the group but he sure finished above Supernova. Hey, Fionn!
Ahah Fionn!
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On November 09 2011 23:22 naiad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 22:58 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Holy shit, Huk is sooo fucked. According to Liquipedia his ro16 group is:
Nestea
MMA
Leenock
Huk
I mean, he looked great today but he's going to need a miracle to get to the ro8 o_o I might be wrong but I think that's the perfect group for HuK if he ever wants to be a champion. You know...all that "to be the best you need to beat the best" crappy moto ^^, if he goes through it's 1 or 2 less champions in the final 8
I see your point about beating the best to be the best, although I'd rather have the other amazing players taken out in other groups and HuK advancing a bit easier ^^
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Canada4020 Posts
On November 10 2011 02:02 cold- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist Fanboys will be fanboys. huk participated in less GSLs and he met MVP in ro16. if you lose to mvp that doesnt mean u cant beat everyone else in the tournament.
I assume this is not a justification for him being better than Nestea? -_- I'm a huge fan of Huk but even trying to claim that would be ludicrous. Huk has to prove he is better first if he wants that title. I do think it is feasible he could win a GSL someday though. Needs some luck and skill though for sure
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Go Huk and Puzzle, bunch of brotoss advancing!!
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On November 10 2011 02:02 cold- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist Fanboys will be fanboys. huk participated in less GSLs and he met MVP in ro16. if you lose to mvp that doesnt mean u cant beat everyone else in the tournament.
Nestea would have like 6 GSL titles and a Blizzcon championship if it weren't for MVP.
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On November 10 2011 01:13 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 23:24 raf3776 wrote:
Overall protoss are still doing bad. but im gladd huk and puzzle got through. They've all made it. How is that doing bad in any way?
It has to be an all toss ro16 to be doing well (I.e what inca dreams of every night).
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