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On November 10 2011 00:31 iLike413 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:14 SKAR wrote:On November 10 2011 00:09 MrCon wrote:On November 10 2011 00:08 tztztz wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 Hassybaby wrote:On November 09 2011 23:56 TheBJ wrote:On November 09 2011 23:53 tztztz wrote:
right know huk is better than nestea imo they are playing 1v1 on ladder on huk's stream atm , if anyone is interested to get a preview :D Just saw it. That game was sick :D who won? Huk=) Keep in mind Nestea doesn't take ladder seriously and usually just messes around because he saves his gosu strats only if theres money on the line. lmao okay, then huk has more raw skill/adaptability than nestea, nestea is only good if he has time to watch 50 reps of his opponent and prepare a proper build. Pretty true i guess.
ZenexYong was #1 grandmaster on the Korean server and he's currently...oh wait, he didn't make it past Code A qualifiers.
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On November 10 2011 00:33 Rybaia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:29 rysecake wrote:On November 10 2011 00:26 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:17 Hider wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 nam nam wrote:On November 09 2011 23:57 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:On November 09 2011 23:55 blamekilly wrote:On November 09 2011 22:28 Killcani wrote:
This will be the beginning of the rise of zerg and protoss players in the gsl. Both Z/P have showed to be really good vs terran in the last months despite what people say. Just look at the most recent cups and major tournaments outside of korea they're almost all won by zergs. fun fact: the last 10 monthly online cups in the eu scene didnt have a single terran in the finals in any of them. Its always been that way... The only terrans who win are Korean terrans. People will still whine about terrans though while Zergs dominate NA and Protoss dominates EU. Errr...that's because NA and EU Terrans are terrible compared to their KR counterparts and can't play the race? Why wouldn't the NA and EU protoss and zerg be equally terrible then? Terran is the hardest race to play. SO only the former bw pros can play them, however that doesn't seem to be enough anymore, and after the patch it will only go one way for the terran players. I respect your opinion but I disagree. Terran is not the hardest race to play. I still think that Zerg is the hardest to play and to learn. Hardest to play and hardest to learn are 2 very different things. As you can read I posted how I think Z is the hardest to play AND to learn. The opinion on the learning curve is to cover the "only former bw pros can play T well". Since I don't think that T is hard to learn I don't think that be a BW pro is necessary to be a good T player.
Well you're obviously wrong, since the only terrans who have dominated in the past are the absolute best Koreans, and no, it's not because foreign terrans are bad players compared to their protoss and zerg counterparts LOL. It's just that the micro and multitasking required to get the most out of terran is very, very intensive. Something only the absolute best players in the scene have.
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On November 10 2011 00:33 Rybaia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:29 rysecake wrote:On November 10 2011 00:26 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:17 Hider wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 nam nam wrote:On November 09 2011 23:57 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:On November 09 2011 23:55 blamekilly wrote:On November 09 2011 22:28 Killcani wrote:
This will be the beginning of the rise of zerg and protoss players in the gsl. Both Z/P have showed to be really good vs terran in the last months despite what people say. Just look at the most recent cups and major tournaments outside of korea they're almost all won by zergs. fun fact: the last 10 monthly online cups in the eu scene didnt have a single terran in the finals in any of them. Its always been that way... The only terrans who win are Korean terrans. People will still whine about terrans though while Zergs dominate NA and Protoss dominates EU. Errr...that's because NA and EU Terrans are terrible compared to their KR counterparts and can't play the race? Why wouldn't the NA and EU protoss and zerg be equally terrible then? Terran is the hardest race to play. SO only the former bw pros can play them, however that doesn't seem to be enough anymore, and after the patch it will only go one way for the terran players. I respect your opinion but I disagree. Terran is not the hardest race to play. I still think that Zerg is the hardest to play and to learn. Hardest to play and hardest to learn are 2 very different things. As you can read I posted how I think Z is the hardest to play AND to learn. The opinion on the learning curve is to cover the "only former bw pros can play T well". Since I don't think that T is hard to learn I don't think that be a BW pro is necessary to be a good T player.
Well then let's say to Master. There are very few people right now that can make Terran work on the hightest level especially in TvP. And even they kinda struggle with TvP right now i would say.
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On November 10 2011 00:31 iLike413 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:14 SKAR wrote:On November 10 2011 00:09 MrCon wrote:On November 10 2011 00:08 tztztz wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 Hassybaby wrote:On November 09 2011 23:56 TheBJ wrote:On November 09 2011 23:53 tztztz wrote:
right know huk is better than nestea imo they are playing 1v1 on ladder on huk's stream atm , if anyone is interested to get a preview :D Just saw it. That game was sick :D who won? Huk=) Keep in mind Nestea doesn't take ladder seriously and usually just messes around because he saves his gosu strats only if theres money on the line. lmao okay, then huk has more raw skill/adaptability than nestea, nestea is only good if he has time to watch 50 reps of his opponent and prepare a proper build. Pretty true i guess.
Check Nestea's ladder record. Now check his record in staged games. There we go. Now please shut up.
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Even as a zerg player, I'm stoked to see Protoss advancing. (:
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Nooo July!
This was your tourney to win T_T
Does anybody knows how many GSLs July has left before military service?
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Yay a good day :D
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Lol 1 day of tosses who have survived the culling of the last few months and we're being a little too optimistic. Look at who has been eliminated so far. Also note what gom did with the maps for Toss. Lets not get overexcited kids. Everyone was optimistic after Orlando and then the next set of tournaments corrected that misperception.
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On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far..
You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc)
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On November 10 2011 00:37 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:33 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:29 rysecake wrote:On November 10 2011 00:26 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:17 Hider wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 nam nam wrote:On November 09 2011 23:57 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:On November 09 2011 23:55 blamekilly wrote:On November 09 2011 22:28 Killcani wrote:
This will be the beginning of the rise of zerg and protoss players in the gsl. Both Z/P have showed to be really good vs terran in the last months despite what people say. Just look at the most recent cups and major tournaments outside of korea they're almost all won by zergs. fun fact: the last 10 monthly online cups in the eu scene didnt have a single terran in the finals in any of them. Its always been that way... The only terrans who win are Korean terrans. People will still whine about terrans though while Zergs dominate NA and Protoss dominates EU. Errr...that's because NA and EU Terrans are terrible compared to their KR counterparts and can't play the race? Why wouldn't the NA and EU protoss and zerg be equally terrible then? Terran is the hardest race to play. SO only the former bw pros can play them, however that doesn't seem to be enough anymore, and after the patch it will only go one way for the terran players. I respect your opinion but I disagree. Terran is not the hardest race to play. I still think that Zerg is the hardest to play and to learn. Hardest to play and hardest to learn are 2 very different things. As you can read I posted how I think Z is the hardest to play AND to learn. The opinion on the learning curve is to cover the "only former bw pros can play T well". Since I don't think that T is hard to learn I don't think that be a BW pro is necessary to be a good T player. Well you're obviously wrong, since the only terrans who have dominated in the past are the absolute best Koreans, and no, it's not because foreign terrans are bad players LOL. It's just that the micro and multitasking required to get the most out of terran is very intensive.
Well if you put it like that I don't recall a foreinger that actually dominated the world scene with his race. I recall MC dominating varius events with Toss and NesTea doing amazing with Zerg. All the races had a foreigner palyer do well at some point during sc2 life (Jinro, Nani, Idra, Huk, ThorZain, Sen ecc.) but none of them was dominating the scene. The only one dominating the scene for a period where always Korean payers and I don't think we can argue about that.
Yes I agree that Terran requires more multitasking but I still think that is not the hardest race to play.
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Very nice day in GSL for me.
Way to go HuK :p
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So all protoss in the Ro32 advanced? Awesome sauce.
But wait! Only 3 zerg in the Ro16! If none of them advance, zerg will be UP again. Because that's how it works, right? We look at the incredibly tiny sample of GSL Code S and make sweeping balance statements based on those results and those results alone, with everything else being dismissed as not being the highest level of play and therefore completely irrelevant?
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On November 10 2011 00:50 Coolhwip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far.. You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc)
All Protoss players were dominating what would you call it.
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On November 10 2011 00:50 Coolhwip wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far.. You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc)
What? Out of 5 P in the Ro32, 5 made it to the Ro16. That is not < 1/3. Unless you mean that Protoss represents less than 1/3 of the racial distribution in the Ro16, but if that's the case, why phrase it so obtusely? Also, if that is the case 3 doesn't divide into 16 evenly. The best you can hope for is a 6 / 5 / 5 spread; there will always be at least one race comprising < 1/3 of the Ro16.
Also, to reiterate, every Protoss left has advanced out of their groups. What is it that compels you whine about the balance here?
This is also relevant:
On November 10 2011 00:54 The KY wrote:
So all protoss in the Ro32 advanced? Awesome sauce.
But wait! Only 3 zerg in the Ro16! If none of them advance, zerg will be UP again. Because that's how it works, right? We look at the incredibly tiny sample of GSL Code S and make sweeping balance statements based on those results and those results alone, with everything else being dismissed as not being the highest level of play and therefore completely irrelevant?
Seriously. This game is over a year old. Maybe it's time we stop blaming racial imbalance every time we see results we don't like? No problems get solved by screaming 'EMP is bullshit,' or 'Nerf OP ass fungal,' or 'cheesy toss so broken.' We should all be focusing on why someone actually lost, what they did wrong, how they could have played out a situation differently, how they could have macro'd or controlled better, made better decisions, etc.
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On November 10 2011 00:51 Rybaia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:37 AxionSteel wrote:On November 10 2011 00:33 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:29 rysecake wrote:On November 10 2011 00:26 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:17 Hider wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 nam nam wrote:On November 09 2011 23:57 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:On November 09 2011 23:55 blamekilly wrote:On November 09 2011 22:28 Killcani wrote:
This will be the beginning of the rise of zerg and protoss players in the gsl. Both Z/P have showed to be really good vs terran in the last months despite what people say. Just look at the most recent cups and major tournaments outside of korea they're almost all won by zergs. fun fact: the last 10 monthly online cups in the eu scene didnt have a single terran in the finals in any of them. Its always been that way... The only terrans who win are Korean terrans. People will still whine about terrans though while Zergs dominate NA and Protoss dominates EU. Errr...that's because NA and EU Terrans are terrible compared to their KR counterparts and can't play the race? Why wouldn't the NA and EU protoss and zerg be equally terrible then? Terran is the hardest race to play. SO only the former bw pros can play them, however that doesn't seem to be enough anymore, and after the patch it will only go one way for the terran players. I respect your opinion but I disagree. Terran is not the hardest race to play. I still think that Zerg is the hardest to play and to learn. Hardest to play and hardest to learn are 2 very different things. As you can read I posted how I think Z is the hardest to play AND to learn. The opinion on the learning curve is to cover the "only former bw pros can play T well". Since I don't think that T is hard to learn I don't think that be a BW pro is necessary to be a good T player. Well you're obviously wrong, since the only terrans who have dominated in the past are the absolute best Koreans, and no, it's not because foreign terrans are bad players LOL. It's just that the micro and multitasking required to get the most out of terran is very intensive. Well if you put it like that I don't recall a foreinger that actually dominated the world scene with his race. I recall MC dominating varius events with Toss and NesTea doing amazing with Zerg. All the races had a foreigner palyer do well at some point during sc2 life (Jinro, Nani, Idra, Huk, ThorZain, Sen ecc.) but none of them was dominating the scene. The only one dominating the scene for a period where always Korean payers and I don't think we can argue about that. Yes I agree that Terran requires more multitasking but I still think that is not the hardest race to play.
The foreign Zergs and Protoss players have much more success than foreign terrans, thats all you need to know.
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Watching the games from last night, it really seems like huk and killer are serious contenders to win this season. It feels good to have a foreign player at the same relative level that jinro and idra were way back when they were both in GSL.
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Ugh what the hell was July doing? Very disappointing games from him and DongRaeGu this GSL.
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On November 10 2011 01:01 Scribble wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:50 Coolhwip wrote:On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far.. You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc) What? Out of 5 P in the Ro32, 5 made it to the Ro16. That is not < 1/3. Unless you mean that Protoss represents less than 1/3 of the racial distribution in the Ro16, but if that's the case, why phrase it so obtusely? Also, if that is the case 3 doesn't divide into 16 evenly. The best you can hope for is a 6 / 5 / 5 spread; there will always be at least one race comprising < 1/3 of the Ro16. Also, to reiterate, every Protoss left has advanced out of their groups. What is it that compels you whine about the balance here?
Apparently some people will not be happy unless a protoss gets so good that he is able to reverse time and cause there to be more protoss in the Ro32.
Like...the 19 terrans in the Ro32 were leftovers from previous seasons in which the format meant a ridiculously small number of players dropped from Code S and therefore realigning the racial imbalance was going to take months and months. Seriously, who looks at this GSL thus far, sees EVERY protoss advance and still says 'well they aren't doing that well, there's only 5 in the Ro16'.
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On November 09 2011 23:24 raf3776 wrote:
Overall protoss are still doing bad. but im gladd huk and puzzle got through.
They've all made it. How is that doing bad in any way?
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I got all excited to see who would be in the Ro16, and then I saw the groups. There will be blood.
Group A
Nestea
MMA
Huk
Leenock
Group B
Happy
Oz
Killer
Alive
Group C
MC
sC
Puzzle
Ganzi
Group D
Gumiho
Coca
Jjakjii
MVP
I felt like the groups in the Ro32 didn't have a super clear group of death, but the Ro16 sure as hell does.
Edit: If Huk can beat MMA, It will be Nestea/Huk, otherwise Nestea/MMA advance. Group B: Happy and Oz, Group C: MC and Puzzle (pretty please :D), and Group D: MVP and Coca.
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On November 10 2011 00:39 Flowjo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:31 iLike413 wrote:On November 10 2011 00:14 SKAR wrote:On November 10 2011 00:09 MrCon wrote:On November 10 2011 00:08 tztztz wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 Hassybaby wrote:On November 09 2011 23:56 TheBJ wrote:On November 09 2011 23:53 tztztz wrote:
right know huk is better than nestea imo they are playing 1v1 on ladder on huk's stream atm , if anyone is interested to get a preview :D Just saw it. That game was sick :D who won? Huk=) Keep in mind Nestea doesn't take ladder seriously and usually just messes around because he saves his gosu strats only if theres money on the line. lmao okay, then huk has more raw skill/adaptability than nestea, nestea is only good if he has time to watch 50 reps of his opponent and prepare a proper build. Pretty true i guess. Check Nestea's ladder record. Now check his record in staged games. There we go. Now please shut up.
Also what about the tournaments he's played outside GSL? Blizzcon anyone?
Ladder is pretty much useless for players at Nestea's level, especially when their in-house practice partners are MVP and Losira. Hell, his teammate MVP plays random on ladder. They don't actually care.
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