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The results were exactly as I expected this time around.
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On November 10 2011 00:33 Rybaia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:29 rysecake wrote:On November 10 2011 00:26 Rybaia wrote:On November 10 2011 00:17 Hider wrote:On November 10 2011 00:07 nam nam wrote:On November 09 2011 23:57 RDaneelOlivaw wrote:On November 09 2011 23:55 blamekilly wrote:On November 09 2011 22:28 Killcani wrote:
This will be the beginning of the rise of zerg and protoss players in the gsl. Both Z/P have showed to be really good vs terran in the last months despite what people say. Just look at the most recent cups and major tournaments outside of korea they're almost all won by zergs. fun fact: the last 10 monthly online cups in the eu scene didnt have a single terran in the finals in any of them. Its always been that way... The only terrans who win are Korean terrans. People will still whine about terrans though while Zergs dominate NA and Protoss dominates EU. Errr...that's because NA and EU Terrans are terrible compared to their KR counterparts and can't play the race? Why wouldn't the NA and EU protoss and zerg be equally terrible then? Terran is the hardest race to play. SO only the former bw pros can play them, however that doesn't seem to be enough anymore, and after the patch it will only go one way for the terran players. I respect your opinion but I disagree. Terran is not the hardest race to play. I still think that Zerg is the hardest to play and to learn. Hardest to play and hardest to learn are 2 very different things. As you can read I posted how I think Z is the hardest to play AND to learn. The opinion on the learning curve is to cover the "only former bw pros can play T well". Since I don't think that T is hard to learn I don't think that be a BW pro is necessary to be a good T player.
That's your opinion, not everyone elses. I'm a random player and find T much more mechanically challenging than z. The hard part of z imo is more the game sense than the mechanics. Knowing when to drone, when to make what units, where to position them pre battle, etc. T rewards high apm and multitasking very much, which is why you see korean t's abusing terran potential to the max.
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On November 10 2011 01:59 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 17:54 Fionn wrote:On November 09 2011 17:41 babylon wrote:On November 09 2011 17:05 Sarang wrote:On November 09 2011 16:53 babylon wrote:On November 09 2011 16:49 Confuse wrote:As usual predictions are in order; SuperNova, Jjakji, Clide, July. After a certain player fell out last night I lost a LOT of interest though  Best of luck Huk... I know, right? All the players I wanted to root for this GSL got knocked out already. Ugh. Makes it hard to care. Gogo, Virus, I guess. I mean, why the hell not? But ... Clide! D: He's who I'm cheering for now. ;D Still too depressed over NaDa/Taeja/Bomber to care much. (And NaDa has to play my boy Soccer in Code A, which makes it even worse. Augggggh, NaDa, why do you do this to me?) I guess I want Virus, Jjakji, and July to advance. Virus, because everyone shits on him season after season -- yeah, I'm looking at you, Fionn -- when he's definitely better than a player like Ensnare. Jjakji still needs to strut his stuff and represent NsHS, while July is July. If Virus finishes above Supernova in the group, I will write an apology to Virus in the next GSL article about how I underestimated him and that I am sorry that I ever doubted his skill. Virus didn't advance from the group but he sure finished above Supernova. Hey, Fionn!
Eagerly waiting the article!
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On November 10 2011 01:17 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:08 The KY wrote:On November 10 2011 01:01 Scribble wrote:On November 10 2011 00:50 Coolhwip wrote:On November 09 2011 23:08 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow.. protosses beasting the GSL this season so far.. You know a race has been weak when getting less then 1/3 through to the next round gets called "beasting". (Code S ofc) What? Out of 5 P in the Ro32, 5 made it to the Ro16. That is not < 1/3. Unless you mean that Protoss represents less than 1/3 of the racial distribution in the Ro16, but if that's the case, why phrase it so obtusely? Also, if that is the case 3 doesn't divide into 16 evenly. The best you can hope for is a 6 / 5 / 5 spread; there will always be at least one race comprising < 1/3 of the Ro16. Also, to reiterate, every Protoss left has advanced out of their groups. What is it that compels you whine about the balance here? Apparently some people will not be happy unless a protoss gets so good that he is able to reverse time and cause there to be more protoss in the Ro32. Like...the 19 terrans in the Ro32 were leftovers from previous seasons in which the format meant a ridiculously small number of players dropped from Code S and therefore realigning the racial imbalance was going to take months and months. Seriously, who looks at this GSL thus far, sees EVERY protoss advance and still says 'well they aren't doing that well, there's only 5 in the Ro16'. It wasn't JUST the gsl that made people comment on the state of Toss. It's obstinate to say that the last few months were good competitive months of Starcraft. One day with the Toss' able to survive such a horrible period against frankly some of the excess Terrans on a map pool that has been tailored to try and fix the problem means little. 1/1/1 will still continue to dominate especially on certain maps. Ghosts in the late game willl still be super strong though there have been developments as the remaining toss have had to become mechanically superior to keep templar alive and now more skill will be required in aiming emps. Maps like Calm before the storm were specifically designed to bring about a more balanced result by being a "toss" map. In PvZ it was the extreme eco edge that made the difference. Certain maps emphasized this feature. Do you want a competitive multirace game or not?
I'm sorry, you're delusional calling clide a leftover Terran. Did you not see his run last season?
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On November 10 2011 01:45 Eternalmisfit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 00:49 Sabu113 wrote:
Yay a good day :D
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Lol 1 day of tosses who have survived the culling of the last few months and we're being a little too optimistic. Look at who has been eliminated so far. Also note what gom did with the maps for Toss. Lets not get overexcited kids. Everyone was optimistic after Orlando and then the next set of tournaments corrected that misperception. Which tournament are you talking about? ESWC - P second IeSF world champ - P second Samsung Euro Champ - P first ASUS RoG - P third ESV Korean finals - P first and second The only two major events where P did not finish top 3 were Blizzcon where Naniwa was the only recognizable toss and finished 4th and GSL finals, where everything apart from finals was already played before MLG. In the current GSL, toss are doing well in Code A and S. I am not sure which tournaments you are referring to.
Protoss was always doing fine in international tournaments but that doesn't say anything about balance though. I firmly believe people should stop using international tournaments as a means to perceive balance.
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On November 10 2011 02:02 cold- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist Fanboys will be fanboys. huk participated in less GSLs and he met MVP in ro16. if you lose to mvp that doesnt mean u cant beat everyone else in the tournament.
HuK always had the crappiest luck in opponents, which is still irrelevant in whether he is better than Nestea or not. Nestea has the GSL championships, Huk does not.
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On November 10 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:45 Eternalmisfit wrote:On November 10 2011 00:49 Sabu113 wrote:
Yay a good day :D
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Lol 1 day of tosses who have survived the culling of the last few months and we're being a little too optimistic. Look at who has been eliminated so far. Also note what gom did with the maps for Toss. Lets not get overexcited kids. Everyone was optimistic after Orlando and then the next set of tournaments corrected that misperception. Which tournament are you talking about? ESWC - P second IeSF world champ - P second Samsung Euro Champ - P first ASUS RoG - P third ESV Korean finals - P first and second The only two major events where P did not finish top 3 were Blizzcon where Naniwa was the only recognizable toss and finished 4th and GSL finals, where everything apart from finals was already played before MLG. In the current GSL, toss are doing well in Code A and S. I am not sure which tournaments you are referring to. Protoss was always doing fine in international tournaments but that doesn't say anything about balance though. I firmly believe people should stop using international tournaments as a means to perceive balance.
How should balance be decided then? Through game theoretic logic?
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On November 10 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 01:45 Eternalmisfit wrote:On November 10 2011 00:49 Sabu113 wrote:
Yay a good day :D
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Lol 1 day of tosses who have survived the culling of the last few months and we're being a little too optimistic. Look at who has been eliminated so far. Also note what gom did with the maps for Toss. Lets not get overexcited kids. Everyone was optimistic after Orlando and then the next set of tournaments corrected that misperception. Which tournament are you talking about? ESWC - P second IeSF world champ - P second Samsung Euro Champ - P first ASUS RoG - P third ESV Korean finals - P first and second The only two major events where P did not finish top 3 were Blizzcon where Naniwa was the only recognizable toss and finished 4th and GSL finals, where everything apart from finals was already played before MLG. In the current GSL, toss are doing well in Code A and S. I am not sure which tournaments you are referring to. Protoss was always doing fine in international tournaments but that doesn't say anything about balance though. I firmly believe people should stop using international tournaments as a means to perceive balance.
He was replying to
It wasn't JUST the gsl that made people comment on the state of Toss
As toss does fine everywhere except GSL, that didn't made a lot of sense.
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On November 10 2011 02:50 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:43 K3Nyy wrote:On November 10 2011 01:45 Eternalmisfit wrote:On November 10 2011 00:49 Sabu113 wrote:
Yay a good day :D
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Lol 1 day of tosses who have survived the culling of the last few months and we're being a little too optimistic. Look at who has been eliminated so far. Also note what gom did with the maps for Toss. Lets not get overexcited kids. Everyone was optimistic after Orlando and then the next set of tournaments corrected that misperception. Which tournament are you talking about? ESWC - P second IeSF world champ - P second Samsung Euro Champ - P first ASUS RoG - P third ESV Korean finals - P first and second The only two major events where P did not finish top 3 were Blizzcon where Naniwa was the only recognizable toss and finished 4th and GSL finals, where everything apart from finals was already played before MLG. In the current GSL, toss are doing well in Code A and S. I am not sure which tournaments you are referring to. Protoss was always doing fine in international tournaments but that doesn't say anything about balance though. I firmly believe people should stop using international tournaments as a means to perceive balance. How should balance be decided then? Through game theoretic logic?
Through the highest level of play meaning Korean tournaments? Next thing you know the game is gonna balanced based around ladder.
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^ learn to read...he obv means to use korean stats
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July going down to Code A - it's about time. Clide as well. There are some monsters in Code A, and its time to get some new faces in Code S.
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On November 10 2011 02:57 QTIP. wrote:
July going down to Code A - it's about time. Clide as well. There are some monsters in Code A, and its time to get some new faces in Code S.
Not sure it can be considered going down to Code A if they make it out in the same season. I think July's streak will stay in tact.
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On November 10 2011 03:03 ssg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:57 QTIP. wrote:
July going down to Code A - it's about time. Clide as well. There are some monsters in Code A, and its time to get some new faces in Code S. Not sure it can be considered going down to Code A if they make it out in the same season. I think July's streak will stay in tact.
That's true, Code A is a feeder bracket now.
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On November 10 2011 02:14 zyzq wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:02 cold- wrote:On November 10 2011 01:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist Fanboys will be fanboys. huk participated in less GSLs and he met MVP in ro16. if you lose to mvp that doesnt mean u cant beat everyone else in the tournament. Nestea would have like 6 GSL titles and a Blizzcon championship if it weren't for MVP.
QFT, Everytime nestea has been knocked out after the group stages...was by MVP..dam him and his macro play. Why can't he do mid-game timing pushes like most terrans.
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On November 10 2011 03:07 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 02:14 zyzq wrote:On November 10 2011 02:02 cold- wrote:On November 10 2011 01:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:On November 10 2011 01:41 Sc2Null wrote:
I find it rather strange someone would say Huk is better than nestea after huk advances out of the group states for the 2nd time in his whole GSL career..while nestea was 2nd @ blizzcon and 3-times GSL champion, 2-time semi-finalist, 1-time, and 1 time quarter-finalist Fanboys will be fanboys. huk participated in less GSLs and he met MVP in ro16. if you lose to mvp that doesnt mean u cant beat everyone else in the tournament. Nestea would have like 6 GSL titles and a Blizzcon championship if it weren't for MVP. QFT, Everytime nestea has been knocked out after the group stages...was by MVP..dam him and his macro play. Why can't he do mid-game timing pushes like most terrans.
He does, and they're pretty damn scary.
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july, nada and clide (no, poor artosis godson/goddaugther) down already in the first trial of the new format... hope this isn´t the end for july and nada but I think it might be it for both of them and they´ll have to scrape through code B again. Hope NaDa can get done with his studies and start focusing on sc2 fulltime.
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Wow, bad season for Zerg so far--only 3 out of 16 in the top 16. And worse, 2 of those 3 are in a group with Huk and MMA, which is going to be pretty tough to avoid Code A from.
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On November 10 2011 03:10 amazingoopah wrote:
july, nada and clide (no, poor artosis godson/goddaugther) down already in the first trial of the new format... hope this isn´t the end for july and nada but I think it might be it for both of them and they´ll have to scrape through code B again. Hope NaDa can get done with his studies and start focusing on sc2 fulltime.
They are "down" only in the sense that they have to play some Code A games to get back into Code S.
Given that only 8 people will not have to play any Code A games, this isn't very surprising. Of those 3, only Clide made it to the top 8 last season, and it was a bit surprising he made it that far.
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On November 10 2011 03:16 Trsjnica wrote:
Wow, bad season for Zerg so far--only 3 out of 16 in the top 16. And worse, 2 of those 3 are in a group with Huk and MMA, which is going to be pretty tough to avoid Code A from.
Huk's PvZ is pretty mehh
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