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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
November 01 2011 11:58 GMT
#2141
On November 01 2011 20:56 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
Can we get back to this being an LR thread and not the usual balance/race arguements?


This is why LR threads suck when Nestea plays =/ Win or lose.

In other news: anyone looking forward to sC v Losira? Potential good match incoming (though I always like seeing sC's TvZ)
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KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
November 01 2011 11:58 GMT
#2142
On November 01 2011 20:55 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
Live Report threads are really fun until Zerg or Protoss players lose games. TT

Yeah, only funny in TvT!
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SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
November 01 2011 11:58 GMT
#2143
On November 01 2011 20:47 Dalavita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:45 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Idra debated this issue with day9 on SOTG couple months ago, the issue was that a zerg can't scout because of marines on the edge of the base.. day9 lost the debate because he couldn't explain how a zerg could scout. Nestea vs SC today showed that Idra was actually correct.


That was a dumb analysis.

First of all, Day9 didn't lose because he didn't even partake in an actual discussion right then. His answer was that he'd need more information before he could definitively deduct anything.

Also, saying that one game showed something correct is laughable.

The only thing this game showed us that Nesteas OL was millimeters from scouting the starports because they were close to the edge, and he spotted the banshees very early but didn't react properly.

You need to be slapped.


Day9 is a professional commentator and sc1 pro gamer, he has as much or most of the insight of any person in the world, what does he need to analyze before making a suggestion for early game scouting? Idra said "its a coinflip at best when you have to guess your opponents build". Day9 had no reply to this, im not saying Day9 doesn't understand the game because he clearly does, but when Day9 or Idra cannot find a solution for zerg early game scouting, then the answer is there is no solution for early game scouting.

Nestea could of sacrificed 10 drones and made 10 spores blindly that game, however if SC went for a ground all in, how stupid would Nestea look? Like Idra said.. its a coinflip at best when you have to guess what your opponent is doing. Good job on SC's part though, he realized his 2 rax opening didn't work and followed up with an effective all-in.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
November 01 2011 11:58 GMT
#2144
On November 01 2011 20:55 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
Live Report threads are really fun until Zerg or Protoss players lose games. TT


Lol I was just noticing how bad it is all of a sudden. I tried arguing some logic without flaming, but that won't get a huge response.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 01 2011 11:58 GMT
#2145
On November 01 2011 20:55 Tsubbi wrote:
losira was brilliant in that game, did you see that hellion scouting for losiras 3rd with 10 hp and 6 speedlings behind?

at first i was screaming when losira moved his lings aways for a second and didn't kill it before it scouted the hatch, but now i realize he did that on purpose to be able to baneling bust asd without him putting up bunkers and stuff

Didn't thought about that, if he really did that on purpose that was brilliant yes

Losira vs sC should be good, imo sC is favored, we'll see.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
November 01 2011 11:58 GMT
#2146
On November 01 2011 20:57 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:54 yeint wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:43 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts.


1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it.
1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it.

Both are also cheaper than a banshee.

I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them.


Banshee actually beats a queen in 1v1, also banshees can move around, obviously you wont be in situation where you have a banshee fighting a spore 1v1.. you will obviously position all your banshees to be able to kill 1 spore at a time. to cover all the area you would need to be very cost ineffective and make 10+ spores


Banshee shoudn't beat a queen 1v1 unless both start shooting at the same time. Queen has a range advantage and can start shooting earlier. Brb testing.

No need to test, the queen wins if she has the 1st shoot.


Been testing it and the Banshee wins
nOondn
Profile Joined March 2011
564 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2147
Terran all in : disgusting
Zerg Baneling brust : beautiful

lol

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redloser
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1725 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2148
On November 01 2011 20:58 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:56 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
Can we get back to this being an LR thread and not the usual balance/race arguements?


This is why LR threads suck when Nestea plays =/ Win or lose.

In other news: anyone looking forward to sC v Losira? Potential good match incoming (though I always like seeing sC's TvZ)


I like seeing LosirA! I hope Losira does his revenge on sC this time!
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2149
On November 01 2011 20:57 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:54 yeint wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:43 SuperFanBoy wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts.


1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it.
1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it.

Both are also cheaper than a banshee.

I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them.


Banshee actually beats a queen in 1v1, also banshees can move around, obviously you wont be in situation where you have a banshee fighting a spore 1v1.. you will obviously position all your banshees to be able to kill 1 spore at a time. to cover all the area you would need to be very cost ineffective and make 10+ spores


Banshee shoudn't beat a queen 1v1 unless both start shooting at the same time. Queen has a range advantage and can start shooting earlier. Brb testing.

No need to test, the queen wins if she has the 1st shoot.

You must be thinking void rays or something. Banshees still beat queens even if the queen gets the first shot in.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2150
On November 01 2011 20:57 annYeong(o11) wrote:
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On November 01 2011 20:55 Markwerf wrote:
I still don't get why GomTV is so fucking stupid to let the group phase be BO1's. asd just needs 1 lucky cheese and Nestea has to fight through a ton of matches to be able to get back in code S, just rediculous.
With so many cheeses available in sc2 BO1 is just silly, there is almost no 'safe' play. Even worse being unlucky to get 0-2'd could mean you face a good code A player and even get knocked down to code B immediately.
I just don't get why such idiots get to make the most important tournament...


I think they should spread the tournament over 2 or 3 months and do really long group stages, like maybe a couple days per group even.

might be too much, but i think the Bo1's need to go, I don't think they ever worked

edit - popular comment lol

Bo1s worked in BW, why shouldn't it work in SC2?

I'm not arguing the games I'm arguing an old tried and tested format(of course the BW one is less complicated but more or less the same)
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Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2151
Are people really trying to say losira was all-in lol, and trying to compare it to 2 port banshee. The LR thread does make me laugh some times i will give you that. Always good humor in here.
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Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2152
On November 01 2011 20:58 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:55 MLG_Wiggin wrote:
Live Report threads are really fun until Zerg or Protoss players lose games. TT

Yeah, only funny in TvT!

It doesn't matter. You will see Z and P players whine about how fucking boring TvT is bla bla bla. -_-''
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2153
On November 01 2011 20:57 OneOddOrange wrote:
So fucking annoying that every LR thread always ends up becoming a giant shit fest.


The LR thread is like today's games, to be honest. A giant shit fest indeed, as you said.
You're not going to see everyone go "beautiful play omg sick" when all these guys do is one or two base all inning each other.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2154
Everyone gets so fucking bitter when their favorite player loses and blames it on something like group format, but upsets happen all the time no matter the format bar bo7 every series. If you want fair then it'd be bo7 triple elimination format round robin with everyone in the god damn code S.
Seany
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia114 Posts
November 01 2011 11:59 GMT
#2155
On November 01 2011 20:55 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:53 Allwars wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:52 Scila wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:40 Ramble wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:38 marttorn wrote:
Why is 2port suddenly imbalanced or just "soo good" when it wins against nestea by a non-legendary terran? ._. gets annoying~

I don't think it's 2port per se, just that if terran is on one base, you have to flip a coin on to which all-in to counter. 4-5rax, SCV allin, 2port banshee, marauder hellion all in or they just expand if you can't scout their natural.


Or you could just....scout?


Very easy to scout into a terran base with marines in every single corner.

There were only marines on the cliff. He could've snuck an overlord to the space behind the main earlier in the game but he didnt.

Also seeing 1 hellion, 2 "naked" barracks and 6 marines is a pretty good tell that sC is either going marine/hellion (which is pretty easy to hold off) all in or a 2 port banshee.



how would he know where the marines or the starports were before tho? It just comes down to plain luck

And, while I'm only a protoss player, I think spores are pretty useless for marine/hellion yeah? soooo... whats your point?
RastaMonsta
Profile Joined October 2011
304 Posts
November 01 2011 12:00 GMT
#2156
YES! MC finally moving on
LeaD
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada464 Posts
November 01 2011 12:00 GMT
#2157
On November 01 2011 20:57 annYeong(o11) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:55 Markwerf wrote:
I still don't get why GomTV is so fucking stupid to let the group phase be BO1's. asd just needs 1 lucky cheese and Nestea has to fight through a ton of matches to be able to get back in code S, just rediculous.
With so many cheeses available in sc2 BO1 is just silly, there is almost no 'safe' play. Even worse being unlucky to get 0-2'd could mean you face a good code A player and even get knocked down to code B immediately.
I just don't get why such idiots get to make the most important tournament...


I think they should spread the tournament over 2 or 3 months and do really long group stages, like maybe a couple days per group even.

might be too much, but i think the Bo1's need to go, I don't think they ever worked

edit - popular comment lol


The players need all these tournaments from GOM to make money, since there aren't many other tournaments in Korea right now, so they need them every month. They really should have had this BO3 from the start.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
November 01 2011 12:00 GMT
#2158
On November 01 2011 20:59 nOondn wrote:
Terran all in : disgusting
Zerg Baneling brust : beautiful

lol





really you compare those games ... you know nothing about this game
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
November 01 2011 12:00 GMT
#2159
On November 01 2011 20:58 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:55 Tsubbi wrote:
losira was brilliant in that game, did you see that hellion scouting for losiras 3rd with 10 hp and 6 speedlings behind?

at first i was screaming when losira moved his lings aways for a second and didn't kill it before it scouted the hatch, but now i realize he did that on purpose to be able to baneling bust asd without him putting up bunkers and stuff

Didn't thought about that, if he really did that on purpose that was brilliant yes

Losira vs sC should be good, imo sC is favored, we'll see.

Actually that really smart... it looked like he let the hellion live on purpose and I didn't realize why..
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-01 12:02:01
November 01 2011 12:00 GMT
#2160
On November 01 2011 20:55 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 20:53 McBrungus wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:51 s3rp wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:51 McBrungus wrote:
On November 01 2011 20:49 marcesr wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...another all in.


Yeah? Losira was on 3 bases. In what universe is that considered all in?


In the one where he has Drones for 1.5 bases ...


And the ability to instantly drone up those extra bases if the attack doesn't work. I don't see your point.


He'd be so far behind if that failed that it would've been gg. No matter how many hatches he had . Very similar to 2 Port Banshee . Terran and Zerg All-ins are very different.


Failed?

When you throw that many lings and banes at an already wounded opponent it's not going to just fail. It's going to wreck shit no matter what asd did in that position. Even if Losira just failed to kill him he would still of just built a round of 20 drones behind it and been fine.
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