On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote: The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times.
Granted the word "God" gets thrown around with Nestea all the time, there's no denying that he's the #1 Zerg and arguably could be the best player altogether too...
How can you even question that? He has 3 GSL championships, and has not been into a huge slump that could make that argument debatable (unlike MC).
Best zerg? Yes. Best player? No.
Agreed. MMA, MVP, or one of those other Terrans are definitely doing better than Nestea right now.
Tastosis joking around by talking about Nestea like the internet talks about Chuck Norris does get a little tiring, but far worse than that is blindly going in the opposite direction and saying Nestea is bad. Nestea has a solid record to back up his hype. Other than isolated incidents there is nothing suggesting that Nestea isnt still a top Zerg player if not the top Zerg player.
Best Zerg. Totally. However I say MVP is the best. MMA is a fierce competitor, but his TvP is average. I would put MMA second tied with Nestea.
On November 02 2011 10:11 1Eris1 wrote: The Nestea bias is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not even sure he's the no.1 zerg anymore, but people are so on his dick they actually push him above MVP at times.
Granted the word "God" gets thrown around with Nestea all the time, there's no denying that he's the #1 Zerg and arguably could be the best player altogether too...
How can you even question that? He has 3 GSL championships, and has not been into a huge slump that could make that argument debatable (unlike MC).
Best zerg? Yes. Best player? No.
Agreed. MMA, MVP, or one of those other Terrans are definitely doing better than Nestea right now.
Tastosis joking around by talking about Nestea like the internet talks about Chuck Norris does get a little tiring, but far worse than that is blindly going in the opposite direction and saying Nestea is bad. Nestea has a solid record to back up his hype. Other than isolated incidents there is nothing suggesting that Nestea isnt still a top Zerg player if not the top Zerg player.
Best Zerg. Totally. However I say MVP is the best. MMA is a fierce competitor, but his TvP is average. I would put MMA second tied with Nestea.
Currently, yes mma is very high up there. But if we're talking overall, mvp>nestea>>>>>mma. mma needs a lot more success to back up such a high ranking.
On November 02 2011 09:18 DMKraft wrote: 2 port banshee Nestea barely misses scouting. EZ coinflip BS. Losira goes baneling bust that was barely not scouted, BRILLIANT PLAY.
Right? When a zerg loses to a T cheese, wtf is this shit!
When a terran loses to a Z cheese, man how awesome of a player he is!
Get used to the double standards and hypocrisy on this site. Most TL'ers are zergs.
The so-called double standard is a double standard of the game itself. Zerg has to prepare for 4 or 5 different possible attacks from terran, and it is literally impossible to get any scouting information during this period. It could be a drop, it could be banshees (cloaked or not), it could be marine tank, it could be blue flame hellions. There is no way to find out, short of surrounding the terran base with all of your overlords and suiciding them all at once. And even then it could be proxy starports.
None of these options are OP by themselves, but it's nearly impossible to be prepared for every one of them. It's the fact that you can't get any scouting info that makes it so deadly.
For terran, a baneling bust is somewhat more scoutable (they do have comsat after all), and it's defendable with careful play. If you make a thick wall, put up bunkers, make units, and play a standard slow-teching style you can be quite safe from it, and a failed baneling bust will mean an automatic win for terran.
The difference is that in last night's games, the terran threw up a thin wall of depots with 1 bunker and a few marines, then got greedy and went for tech and mass workers, instead of playing it safe. He took a risk and it backfired.
Nestea did NOT take a risk. He was trying to play very defensively and took every possible precaution that's realistic without crippling his economy, and he still lost.
It's a very different situation. Has nothing to do with "terran cheese = complain, zerg cheese = cheer".
Charades was awesome last night! I really enjoyed it! Listening to the bullshit blah blah blah nestea so good, omg bullshit all night was pretty fucking annoying though, and I'm a nestea fan!
but for me (and this is one opinion) its yugiohs rough edges/sloopyness.. and for Idra its his early gg's, like when he feels he cant win he exits rather than trying to grind out a result even though the odds are against him
On November 02 2011 09:18 DMKraft wrote: 2 port banshee Nestea barely misses scouting. EZ coinflip BS. Losira goes baneling bust that was barely not scouted, BRILLIANT PLAY.
Right? When a zerg loses to a T cheese, wtf is this shit!
When a terran loses to a Z cheese, man how awesome of a player he is!
Get used to the double standards and hypocrisy on this site. Most TL'ers are zergs.
The so-called double standard is a double standard of the game itself. Zerg has to prepare for 4 or 5 different possible attacks from terran, and it is literally impossible to get any scouting information during this period. It could be a drop, it could be banshees (cloaked or not), it could be marine tank, it could be blue flame hellions. There is no way to find out, short of surrounding the terran base with all of your overlords and suiciding them all at once. And even then it could be proxy starports.
None of these options are OP by themselves, but it's nearly impossible to be prepared for every one of them. It's the fact that you can't get any scouting info that makes it so deadly.
For terran, a baneling bust is somewhat more scoutable (they do have comsat after all), and it's defendable with careful play. If you make a thick wall, put up bunkers, make units, and play a standard slow-teching style you can be quite safe from it, and a failed baneling bust will mean an automatic win for terran.
The difference is that in last night's games, the terran threw up a thin wall of depots with 1 bunker and a few marines, then got greedy and went for tech and mass workers, instead of playing it safe. He took a risk and it backfired.
Nestea did NOT take a risk. He was trying to play very defensively and took every possible precaution that's realistic without crippling his economy, and he still lost.
It's a very different situation. Has nothing to do with "terran cheese = complain, zerg cheese = cheer".
I agree with this. Too many people just look at the whole situation with such a simplistic viewpoint.
On November 02 2011 09:18 DMKraft wrote: 2 port banshee Nestea barely misses scouting. EZ coinflip BS. Losira goes baneling bust that was barely not scouted, BRILLIANT PLAY.
Right? When a zerg loses to a T cheese, wtf is this shit!
When a terran loses to a Z cheese, man how awesome of a player he is!
Get used to the double standards and hypocrisy on this site. Most TL'ers are zergs.
The so-called double standard is a double standard of the game itself. Zerg has to prepare for 4 or 5 different possible attacks from terran, and it is literally impossible to get any scouting information during this period. It could be a drop, it could be banshees (cloaked or not), it could be marine tank, it could be blue flame hellions. There is no way to find out, short of surrounding the terran base with all of your overlords and suiciding them all at once. And even then it could be proxy starports.
None of these options are OP by themselves, but it's nearly impossible to be prepared for every one of them. It's the fact that you can't get any scouting info that makes it so deadly.
For terran, a baneling bust is somewhat more scoutable (they do have comsat after all), and it's defendable with careful play. If you make a thick wall, put up bunkers, make units, and play a standard slow-teching style you can be quite safe from it, and a failed baneling bust will mean an automatic win for terran.
The difference is that in last night's games, the terran threw up a thin wall of depots with 1 bunker and a few marines, then got greedy and went for tech and mass workers, instead of playing it safe. He took a risk and it backfired.
Nestea did NOT take a risk. He was trying to play very defensively and took every possible precaution that's realistic without crippling his economy, and he still lost.
It's a very different situation. Has nothing to do with "terran cheese = complain, zerg cheese = cheer".
completely agree plus the fact that the bling bust isnt even a full on cheese. losira was on 3 bases with an ok drone count. he applied the roach pressure and asd lost his hellions for free. asd had the tools to stop this semi-all in and failed due to his own miss-control. the 2 port banshee on the other hand was just a build order loss hence thats why its a cheese and subject to the hate. sure he shouldve gone for a hydralisk den possibly but 2 port banshee is really a cheesy all-in that takes very little skill to win with.
On November 02 2011 09:18 DMKraft wrote: 2 port banshee Nestea barely misses scouting. EZ coinflip BS. Losira goes baneling bust that was barely not scouted, BRILLIANT PLAY.
Right? When a zerg loses to a T cheese, wtf is this shit!
When a terran loses to a Z cheese, man how awesome of a player he is!
Get used to the double standards and hypocrisy on this site. Most TL'ers are zergs.
The so-called double standard is a double standard of the game itself. Zerg has to prepare for 4 or 5 different possible attacks from terran, and it is literally impossible to get any scouting information during this period. It could be a drop, it could be banshees (cloaked or not), it could be marine tank, it could be blue flame hellions. There is no way to find out, short of surrounding the terran base with all of your overlords and suiciding them all at once. And even then it could be proxy starports.
None of these options are OP by themselves, but it's nearly impossible to be prepared for every one of them. It's the fact that you can't get any scouting info that makes it so deadly.
For terran, a baneling bust is somewhat more scoutable (they do have comsat after all), and it's defendable with careful play. If you make a thick wall, put up bunkers, make units, and play a standard slow-teching style you can be quite safe from it, and a failed baneling bust will mean an automatic win for terran.
The difference is that in last night's games, the terran threw up a thin wall of depots with 1 bunker and a few marines, then got greedy and went for tech and mass workers, instead of playing it safe. He took a risk and it backfired.
Nestea did NOT take a risk. He was trying to play very defensively and took every possible precaution that's realistic without crippling his economy, and he still lost.
It's a very different situation. Has nothing to do with "terran cheese = complain, zerg cheese = cheer".
completely agree plus the fact that the bling bust isnt even a full on cheese. losira was on 3 bases with an ok drone count. he applied the roach pressure and asd lost his hellions for free. asd had the tools to stop this semi-all in and failed due to his own miss-control. the 2 port banshee on the other hand was just a build order loss hence thats why its a cheese and subject to the hate. sure he shouldve gone for a hydralisk den possibly but 2 port banshee is really a cheesy all-in that takes very little skill to win with.
But see you manage to give all credit to Losira while giving none to SC, do you think if he attack moved those banshees Nestea would have lost? No he danced back and forth away from the spores and punished Nestea for bad spore positioning. That is a double standard, Nestea was in panic mode and made a mistake, it happens.Do you honestly think if that bane bust had failed Losira would be okay? Asd was going for a marine drop play and losira didn't even have a lair, I can tell you, that would not have ended well for Losira.
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