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On November 01 2011 20:51 Alric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:47 Dalavita wrote:On November 01 2011 20:45 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Idra debated this issue with day9 on SOTG couple months ago, the issue was that a zerg can't scout because of marines on the edge of the base.. day9 lost the debate because he couldn't explain how a zerg could scout. Nestea vs SC today showed that Idra was actually correct. That was a dumb analysis. First of all, Day9 didn't lose because he didn't even partake in an actual discussion right then. His answer was that he'd need more information before he could definitively deduct anything. Also, saying that one game showed something correct is laughable. The only thing this game showed us that Nesteas OL was millimeters from scouting the starports because they were close to the edge, and he spotted the banshees very early but didn't react properly. You need to be slapped. Screw you, dick. Idra won the debate because day[9] knew he couldn't win and refused to engage. "Need more information", what the fuck? What more information do you need after professionally analysing and casting sc2 for months? If idra and the zerg that "needs to be slapped" (such a dick comment, seriously) are such retards, then how does zerg scout that when the terran is walled off and has marines patrolling the edges of the base?
I don't even need to engage in an argument on zerg scouting. I'm talking about the argument day9 and Idra had ages ago, and yes, anyone saying "Idra won" is a blatant fanboy, because no serious argument took place to begin with, and they do need to get slapped.
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On November 01 2011 20:47 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:45 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Idra debated this issue with day9 on SOTG couple months ago, the issue was that a zerg can't scout because of marines on the edge of the base.. day9 lost the debate because he couldn't explain how a zerg could scout. Nestea vs SC today showed that Idra was actually correct. That was a dumb analysis. First of all, Day9 didn't lose because he didn't even partake in an actual discussion right then. His answer was that he'd need more information before he could definitively deduct anything. Also, saying that one game showed something correct is laughable. The only thing this game showed us that Nesteas OL was millimeters from scouting the starports because they were close to the edge, and he spotted the banshees very early but didn't react properly. You need to be slapped.
Oh shut up. Im equally tired of zerg tears as I am of stupid terrans defending easy to execute all ins. Its all the same.
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On November 01 2011 20:51 butchji wrote:
Did Artosis say beautiful play by sC as well..?
No, maybe because sC play was ugly, and losira play beautifull ?
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On November 01 2011 20:51 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:51 McBrungus wrote:On November 01 2011 20:49 marcesr wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...another all in. Yeah? Losira was on 3 bases. In what universe is that considered all in? In the one where he has Drones for 1.5 bases ...
And the ability to instantly drone up those extra bases if the attack doesn't work. I don't see your point.
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On November 01 2011 20:52 Lorch wrote:
@Terrans: A cheesy proxy opening into an allin into another allin timing attack is not equal to losira being on 4 hatches and baneling busting.
It is when you barely build workers ....
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On November 01 2011 20:52 Babru wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:51 annYeong(o11) wrote:
Can we now say all is fair, a T all-in win and a Z all-in win.
We good? well the zerg just followed up a lead with a death blow, the terran on the other hand lost the game then came back with an all in.
How was the roach rush a death blow? They were basically even on harvesters afterwards and losira also lost a bunch of roaches for no reason. It's CC first, you can afford to lose stuff and be okay.
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On November 01 2011 20:52 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:40 Ramble wrote:On November 01 2011 20:38 marttorn wrote:
Why is 2port suddenly imbalanced or just "soo good" when it wins against nestea by a non-legendary terran? ._. gets annoying~ I don't think it's 2port per se, just that if terran is on one base, you have to flip a coin on to which all-in to counter. 4-5rax, SCV allin, 2port banshee, marauder hellion all in or they just expand if you can't scout their natural. Or you could just....scout?
Very easy to scout into a terran base with marines in every single corner.
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On November 01 2011 20:52 bokchoi wrote:
I don't think I've seen LosirA ever all-in.. especially like that... feels weird.. and dirty...
He actually is extremely aggressive. Seen him go for early roaches many times.
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On November 01 2011 20:51 Alric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:47 Dalavita wrote:On November 01 2011 20:45 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Idra debated this issue with day9 on SOTG couple months ago, the issue was that a zerg can't scout because of marines on the edge of the base.. day9 lost the debate because he couldn't explain how a zerg could scout. Nestea vs SC today showed that Idra was actually correct. That was a dumb analysis. First of all, Day9 didn't lose because he didn't even partake in an actual discussion right then. His answer was that he'd need more information before he could definitively deduct anything. Also, saying that one game showed something correct is laughable. The only thing this game showed us that Nesteas OL was millimeters from scouting the starports because they were close to the edge, and he spotted the banshees very early but didn't react properly. You need to be slapped. Screw you, dick. Idra won the debate because day[9] knew he couldn't win and refused to engage. "Need more information", what the fuck? What more information do you need after professionally analysing and casting sc2 for months? If idra and the zerg that "needs to be slapped" (such a dick comment, seriously) are such retards, then how does zerg scout that when the terran is walled off and has marines patrolling the edges of the base?
I think it went something along the line of "Overlords will never get past marines, lings will never get past wallins. You can wait months, but it will never happen," and day9 repeating there's not enough evidence that's true yet.
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On November 01 2011 20:47 annYeong(o11) wrote:
usually there's one or two, but six he's definately hiding something he really, really doesn't want you to see.
Yeah, blue flame hellions.
Or the fusion core.
Or the rest of his M&M.
Or the one port banshee with cloak.
Or the third CC.
Or the maurauders and hellions.
Or the blue-flame hellion with drop.
Or the armoury.
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Artosis's talk about Nestea goes from funny to cute to annoying to aggravating and ends at creepy.
Makes me wish Nestea would lose then I look at the other zergs and I think ehhhhh fuck go Nestea
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This is what happens when you have shitty format bo1s, the worst players can get through. Hey guess what, we have ANOTHER group stage next round.
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On November 01 2011 20:52 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:40 Ramble wrote:On November 01 2011 20:38 marttorn wrote:
Why is 2port suddenly imbalanced or just "soo good" when it wins against nestea by a non-legendary terran? ._. gets annoying~ I don't think it's 2port per se, just that if terran is on one base, you have to flip a coin on to which all-in to counter. 4-5rax, SCV allin, 2port banshee, marauder hellion all in or they just expand if you can't scout their natural. Or you could just....scout?
With? Not every race has scan.
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On November 01 2011 20:52 PieEater wrote:
Remove this STUPID BO1. It is ruining e-sports!
hush little baby, don't cry.
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On November 01 2011 20:52 Logros wrote:
I'm so happy Protoss has forcefields when I see Terrans get b-busted. It's the best feeling ever to see those banelings coming in and dropping FFs right on their faces to stop the all-in :D.
I wish I could do that. 
Baneling busts are just devestating when you're ready for a macro game and then all of a sudden 15 banes come out of nowhere and destroy your wall. It's like you're ripping your heart out. 
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I feel happy for Losira for winning asd. Sure as hell don't want to face Nestea in a ZvZ, regardless of whether he lost or won the last game.
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On November 01 2011 20:43 SuperFanBoy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 20:41 yeint wrote:On November 01 2011 20:38 Creem wrote:
It's so retarded that banshees hardcounter everything pre mutas. Banshees both outrange and outdmg EVERYTHING early game that can be considered a threat to these flying dts. 1 banshee loses to 1 queen, and doesn't outrange it. 1 banshee loses to 1 spore crawler, and doesn't outrange it. Both are also cheaper than a banshee. I mean, I appreciate a good imba whine, but I can't think of a single Zerg unit that doesn't outrange a banshee. Unless you mean that LINGS can't hit them. Banshee actually beats a queen in 1v1, also banshees can move around, obviously you wont be in situation where you have a banshee fighting a spore 1v1.. you will obviously position all your banshees to be able to kill 1 spore at a time. to cover all the area you would need to be very cost ineffective and make 10+ spores
Banshee shoudn't beat a queen 1v1 unless both start shooting at the same time. Queen has a range advantage and can start shooting earlier. Brb testing.
EDIT: ok, I was wrong, but queens CAN force the banshee to move to spore range since they outrange them.
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On November 01 2011 20:53 Fubi wrote:
This is what happens when you have shitty format bo1s, the worst players can get through. Hey guess what, we have ANOTHER group stage next round.
yeah that threw me for a loop.
2 group stages in a row? hmmmm.
outlook not so good
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cant belive ASD GGed at that point 2 seconds b4 a massive baneling hit, couldnt u just let us see the banelings blow them up? :<
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On November 01 2011 20:43 dinsim1 wrote:
I don't understand all these clowns saying Nestea should have scouted with an overlord. If you were paying attention at all, .
Man don't bother, they are all terran players of course, they think Z are like them with unlimited scans and forget they wall in every time...
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