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I don't know why there's so much whining about the maps.
These guys are all professionals, they've played these maps before any time they're on the ladder. What's more if they really had a problem with the maps they could just refuse the invite to play on them.
There's no reason why Blizz can't dictate what maps are being played on. It's their tournament and their prize money to give away. Their opinion on the matter is the only one that counts. If you really wanted to make a statement in protest to their choice of maps, refuse to watch.
But I doubt many will actually do that. They'll watch anyway because maps or no maps this tournament is going to be amazing.
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I like the bracket format at least. Double-elimination near guarantees the correct 1st/2nd place finishers.
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On October 19 2011 09:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I don't know why there's so much whining about the maps.
These guys are all professionals, they've played these maps before any time they're on the ladder. What's more if they really had a problem with the maps they could just refuse the invite to play on them.
There's no reason why Blizz can't dictate what maps are being played on. It's their tournament and their prize money to give away. Their opinion on the matter is the only one that counts.
The problem is it is not a good tournament if you are giving a lot of money out when your map pool STRONGLY favors one race, and it will not make for entertaining games.
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Wow the maps. Looks like we won't be getting that awesome MVP vs Nestea finals we've all been waiting for.
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On October 19 2011 10:02 Scisyhp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I don't know why there's so much whining about the maps.
These guys are all professionals, they've played these maps before any time they're on the ladder. What's more if they really had a problem with the maps they could just refuse the invite to play on them.
There's no reason why Blizz can't dictate what maps are being played on. It's their tournament and their prize money to give away. Their opinion on the matter is the only one that counts. The problem is it is not a good tournament if you are giving a lot of money out when your map pool STRONGLY favors one race, and it will not make for entertaining games.
And you know this for a fact?
I found the Blizzcon invitational tournaments very fun to watch and those included even worse maps like Backwater Gulch.
The only fact of the matter is you guys are up in arms because YOU don't like the maps. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what's fair and what's going to make for good games. We get terrible games all the time on tournament maps, the maps themselves won't dictate the quality of the games.
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On October 19 2011 09:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I don't know why there's so much whining about the maps.
These guys are all professionals, they've played these maps before any time they're on the ladder. What's more if they really had a problem with the maps they could just refuse the invite to play on them.
There's no reason why Blizz can't dictate what maps are being played on. It's their tournament and their prize money to give away. Their opinion on the matter is the only one that counts.
That's like saying Hitler ran the government and his opinion on the matter was the only one that counted.
You ignore the fact that blizzard target an audience, and the opinion of this audience is important for blizzards success, both financially and socially....
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Oh men 2 Protoss, 1 of them is from TW so idk, probably too weak. And Naniwa is in transition mode, not ready yet 
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On October 19 2011 10:06 Jemesatui wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I don't know why there's so much whining about the maps.
These guys are all professionals, they've played these maps before any time they're on the ladder. What's more if they really had a problem with the maps they could just refuse the invite to play on them.
There's no reason why Blizz can't dictate what maps are being played on. It's their tournament and their prize money to give away. Their opinion on the matter is the only one that counts. That's like saying Hitler ran the government and his opinion on the matter was the only one that counted. You ignore the fact that blizzard target an audience, and the opinion of this audience is important for blizzards success, both financially and socially....
Oh that's a stretch.
The difference is that if it's such a problem for you, you could just refuse to watch. The fact is, it's enough of a problem to warrant complaining about it on forums but it isn't enough for anyone to boycott the event.
So in the end, Blizzard gets the same audience it would if it had this tournament on non-ladder maps.
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Nestea might actually have a shot with these maps.
I'd say maybe a 10% chance instead of the normal .01.
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On October 19 2011 10:09 1Eris1 wrote:
Nestea might actually have a shot with these maps.
I'd say maybe a 10% chance instead of the normal .01.
rofl what?
Also even if people will still watch these maps completely invalidate the results of this tournament. We haven't had a tourney map pool this bad in like 6 months.
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On October 19 2011 10:05 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 10:02 Scisyhp wrote:On October 19 2011 09:58 Vindicare605 wrote:
I don't know why there's so much whining about the maps.
These guys are all professionals, they've played these maps before any time they're on the ladder. What's more if they really had a problem with the maps they could just refuse the invite to play on them.
There's no reason why Blizz can't dictate what maps are being played on. It's their tournament and their prize money to give away. Their opinion on the matter is the only one that counts. The problem is it is not a good tournament if you are giving a lot of money out when your map pool STRONGLY favors one race, and it will not make for entertaining games. And you know this for a fact? I found the Blizzcon invitational tournaments very fun to watch and those included even worse maps like Backwater Gulch. The only fact of the matter is you guys are up in arms because YOU don't like the maps. It has nothing whatsoever to do with what's fair and what's going to make for good games. We get terrible games all the time on tournament maps, the maps themselves won't dictate the quality of the games.
that's just wrong. maps can greatly influence how a game will play out.
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ok the more i look at the list and the maps, the more i think that MVP is going to take this easy -.- i mean I can't imagine any of these players short of Nestea really upsetting him
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Blizzard's tournament is just a side show for people at blizzcon I paid for the livestream last year and they only showed like 4 games and cut the rest in favour of W3 and WoW arenas the map pool was obviously just going to be ladder maps and the stream kept crashing I dunno why people are actually expecting anything decent out of blizzard the only thing they have going for them is the fact they can buy the best players in the world.
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Moonglade out of retirement?
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Seriously, who is Blizzard's map maker? I really would like to hear their thoughts on why they think the maps are tournament worthy.
They have obviously not studied/learned enough from the years of BW pro-gaming history. Maps play a huge part in balance between the races.
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Edit: replied to the wrong post, I meant to reply to a post claiming that we likely wont see Nestea in the finals.
I don't know, I wouldn't give anyone in the tourney, outside of MVP, a favorable chance over Nestea on any map, and I am not even a Nestea fan boy.
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LOl maps typical blizzard.
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kinda wish husky was casting with day. =/ or even better have tastosis with day like last blizzcon. t-t
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On October 19 2011 04:53 Stark1 wrote:
"Sean "Day[9]" Plott will dual-cast with JP McDaniel."
WHY? I can understand Day9, but was no one else available? JP does fine as a host, but his commentary is lacking to say the least; this will certainly be a less enjoyable event with him aboard.
its kinda standard to have like a person with caster experience and a person with ingame knowledge.
(painuser and hdstarcraft for example)
however i don't know how good jp's ingame knowledge is, but he seems to have been around for time enough to have some starcraft casting experience. You can always mute if it gets too painful for you 
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