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On October 10 2011 12:28 KhAlleB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:26 imareaver3 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:26 Shinobi1982 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:25 Corrik wrote:
Thanks, IGN, for an amazingly ran tournament! Can't wait for Vegas in a few months! What a Vegas event? :D WHAT? ...It was a joke made by HD. it come when david was on the second Lo3 where he said we sould all go on twitter and ask to caesars palace to make the IPL4 to vegas so every1 could go, no age restriction. And with a tone of voice like maybe it will happen
Trust me. It was not a joke. This event was being planned before IPL3. It is not official yet though.
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On October 10 2011 12:24 Vocal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:23 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 Vocal wrote:On October 10 2011 12:19 hugman wrote:
People already hard at work trying to discredit Stephano's accomplishment
Just shut up for once Would you rather this thread be covered with people saying Mvp can't touch Stephano? Because it was like that for a long ass time, bro. There is a sweet middlespot, why does it have to be extreme praise or discredit? This is why: + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2011 12:22 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:19 Vocal wrote:On October 10 2011 12:15 nvs. wrote:On October 10 2011 12:14 Vocal wrote:On October 10 2011 12:09 Lasbike wrote:
What stephano did during all the IPL season 3 (3 months)
Stephano 2-0 Anypro
Stephano 2-1 Axslav
Stephano 2-1 MarineKing
Stephano 2-1 Socke
Stephano 2-1 Revival
Stephano 2-0 Puzzle
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-1 MMA
Stephano 2-0 Huk
Stephano 2-0 Boxer
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-0 Violet
Stephano 2-1 Inori
Stephano 3-1 TheStC
Stephano 4-0 Lucky
Can we please stop counting matches played between players 6000 miles away? Stephano's good and all but you don't need to overplay his achievements, let them speak for themselves. It's Lucky's first real tournament alongside his teammate Inori, and when the hell did TheStC last compete? What are you even trying to say? This is like a new level of digging to find something to harp on. Trying to downplay the fact that foreigners overhype everything to the highest caliber of exaggeration, which usually results in the actual players achievements getting ridiculed by the more knowledgeable individuals of the community. agreed. What Stephano has done is amazing, but people will start calling him 'Nestea' level, and will overhype him so much that people will backlash against the hype, making everyone sad.
That is not WHY, that is just confirming that is IS that way.
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On October 10 2011 12:22 phate wrote:
I believe he's now qualified for GOMTV's blizzard cup. Excited to see how he does.
If he decides to compete it will be amazing for sure.
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this thread is getting out of hand lol...
Gratz ! Stephano
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can anyone tell me who the girl in the white dress was?
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On October 10 2011 12:28 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:24 spidergris wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 jakoh wrote:On October 10 2011 12:18 PhyreHazard wrote:On October 10 2011 12:17 Ruscour wrote:On October 10 2011 12:16 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On October 10 2011 12:15 Hall0wed wrote:
Boy did Stephano ever get some help from the bracket. He had by far the easiest path, wow. Stephano 2-0 Anypro Stephano 2-1 Axslav Stephano 2-1 MarineKing Stephano 2-1 Socke Stephano 2-1 Revival Stephano 2-0 Puzzle Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi Stephano 2-1 MMA Stephano 2-0 Huk Stephano 2-0 Boxer Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi Stephano 2-0 Violet Stephano 2-1 Inori Stephano 3-1 TheStC Stephano 4-0 Lucky yeah he only beat MKP, Socke, Revival, Puzzle, MMA and Boxer to get into the tournament... haters gonna hate. online means nothing, sorry Your whining doesn't mean anything either, sorry Actually it does. Here's Nestea's quote when asked about playing online. "I don’t think I can do online. I don’t want to give any excuses, but I get really angry at the lag. Because of the lag, I don’t think I want to be in any online tournament in the future. It causes me a lot of stress without a lot of payoff." Interview was done right after a GSL match. There is a reason that Nestea refuses to participate in online tournaments. You know that sc2 dosent have LAN mode?... so basicly its always online... fail more please. By your logic, online events have just as much bearing as lan events. Therefore, DRG can't beat hellions ZvT, MMA has terrible control in TvT and MKP is out of the Kong line. But you see, no one truly believes this because online events in general are not taken seriously. Did you see Bomber pwn MVP in the MLG invitational? Then, did you see how one sided the GSL matches were? Koreans don't play properly on ladder just to hide builds and replays, why would they do so in online tournaments when they can win 50k a month. Remember Destiny beating Bomber? No one cares anymore.
I know! Because live events never have lag when they're being played . . . .. .
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On October 10 2011 12:24 crazykirsch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:22 koolaid1990 wrote:
lol get owned 2-0 by a korean code s terran
beat a code B korean terran in the semifinals
then beat a nobody korean zerg in the finals to win
yeaaaa stephano really good
hes so lucky he didn't vs good players like mma at an offline event would you kindly gtfo? this is the kind of cancer that makes me truly rage
Amen. This disdain and dismissive attitude towards foreign players is disgusting. Stephano beat one of the best foreign Toss (who's as good as nearly any Korean Toss), a code S player, and then a string of Koreans who were far from chumps. And of course in order to qualify for the tournament he destroyed even better Koreans.
Give him his credit, he deserves it. Only trolls are suggesting he's Code S already. But there's no doubt in my mind he could stomp some nerds in Code A and get to S eventually
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On October 10 2011 12:26 XRaDiiX wrote:Ruscour trying to Downplay Stephanos win  You should check that list again man. He stomped Lucky 4-0 in his worst MU
His worst MU. LOL.
Nestea: When I played Dimaga, I felt something different in his play that even Korean Zergs don't have.
Dimaga: I think Stephano is the best foreigner for ZvZ at the moment.
Ret: Dude, I totally owned Stephano in ZvZ.
Lucky: Dude, I totally owned Ret in ZvZ.
Stephano: Dude, I totally owned Lucky in ZvZ.
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On October 10 2011 12:28 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:25 Tewks44 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:23 Ruscour wrote:On October 10 2011 12:22 trucane wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 Ruscour wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 cyclone25 wrote:
Stephano has flawless play, best player in the world by far (maybe Mvp is close to him).  Oh the irony considering your last few posts... i've backed up everything i've written, care to argue or just call me out? dude, you can't go around calling for bans because someone has an opinion that differs from your own. Don't get me wrong, I think MvP would probably beat Stephano, but I also think it would be a damn good game considering how Stephano played against MMA. Stop making it seem like Stephano fan boys are trolling. He played exceptionally in this tournament Go watch MVP's replays. Seriously, none of you guys seem to get it. You're comparing a three time code S champion to somebody who just won his very first major FOREIGN tournament. Everybody seems to think posts like this are intended to discredit Stephano when we're actually just trying to bring a little bit of reality into the situation. Yeah, Stephano is very good but MVP is absolutely next level
I'm not trying to say Stephano would beat MvP, hence the context of my post. Just saying I've seen people meeting overreaction by stephano fans with overreactions. You can't get someone banned because you don't agree with them.
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On October 10 2011 12:30 GrimMind wrote:
can anyone tell me who the girl in the white dress was?
Didn't you hear? It was Vanna White. :D
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On October 10 2011 12:29 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:23 fraktoasters wrote:On October 10 2011 12:19 MuseMike wrote:On October 10 2011 12:17 ClysmiC wrote:On October 10 2011 12:14 flojito wrote:On October 10 2011 12:10 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:06 Daniel C wrote:On October 10 2011 12:04 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:02 Daniel C wrote:On October 10 2011 12:00 msjakofsky wrote:
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12,5% chance for a 3-0 if it's completely random and each player has an 50% to counter the other's build Hence 25% for 3-0 or 0-3 nope... 12,5% for one player winning 3-0, it's not counted separately Yup, so there's 25% chance of either 3-0 or 0-3. do you really not understand? there is 50% chance that 1 player will counter the other in 1 match in 1 match if we flip the coins, there is 25% chance that they'll be both heads, 25% both tails and 50% for heads-tails- that includes both cases you're mentioning. with the same logic it's 50%*50%*50% in three matches, all possible outcomes included that's 12,5% not 25% You are completely misunderstanding the other guy's point. He is saying that, if we assume that a ZvZ really is a coinflip, there is 25% chance that one of the two players will be up 3-0 after three games. This is 100% true.Here is a more concrete example. Suppose that we say that the games between Lucky and Stephano were just coinflips (I know they weren't and Lucky got outplayed, but just assume that for now). Then there is a 12.5% chance that Stephano wins the first 3 games, and a 12.5% chance that Lucky wins the first 3 games. That means there is a 12.5% + 12.5% = 25% chance that one of the two will be up 3-0. Correct. Think of it like this: Bo1 has 100% chance of someone winning 1-0 Bo3 has 50% chance of someone winning 2-0 Bo5 has 25% chance of someone winning 3-0 The games are not independent. After losing a game or two a player may just play worse, therefore increasing the chances of a shutout. This whole thing is about one guy going it's 25% for 3-0 or 0-3, and other people saying it's 12.5% for a 3-0. Both are right, both are calculating different things, both are being too immature to explain their reasoning so people just keep on making stupid posts. not true if it's really coinflippy there is an 50% chance that they'll both roll the same, 25% that player 1 out-coinflips the other and 25% that player 2 out-coinflips player 1 that means that it's 25%^3 chance that player 1 will out-coinflip player 2 three times in a row and same chance for player 2 doing the same to player 1, both of them together is 12,5% the other guys were talking about the chances of a zero to three outcome which is an entirely different subject than 3 won coinflip vs coinflip in a row
Okay I finally get you thanks for explaining and I agree with you!
My original impression of a coinflip was only a single coin flipped with the outcome deciding the victor. But I have to say, your coinflip vs coinflip battle sounds alot more fun
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On October 10 2011 12:21 ramon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:18 mcc wrote:
It seems like top EU is right now heavily zerg dominated. I would call top 6 EU : Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Dimaga, ThorZain, Mana + White-ra for his recent PvZ and PvP form (he needs to get his PvT to more stable situation, takes even more risks than in other MUs). have to remember guys like sase, nani, sjow, demuslim, socke, europe is deep man
I remember them and also Strelok, Kas and a lot of other players that are close, but I just named players in my opinion on slightly higher level than others. I would agree White-ra should not maybe be there, but he somehow gets good results( and then does some totally unconvincing plays). I forgot Demuslim, I think he might belong to the list, but he needs some more results.
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On October 10 2011 12:29 Mczeppo wrote:
I dont get some people on TL.net here....
EVERYONE cries when korean players win all tournaments they attend and now that a foreigner has won with an absolutely top notch performance some people try to downplay it by saying his path was easy. What the hell his path wasnt easy at all. It doesnt matter if there's online matches involved. Who cares? online or offline he was better that his opponents which include many koreans and many top foreign players.
Sick Sick play... and guess what he even plays a different exciting aggressive style.
Ask dimaga
I dont just jump on the hype wagon. I mean i'm excited and all because a foreigner won but anyone who wants to complain that stephano didnt play SICK that tournament is a dick and doesnt know much about sc2. I just hate people who always WANT to see the bad sides of things.
end of story
I am a massive stephano fan and am extremely happy for him taking down this tourney. However to say his path wasn't easier then most is just wrong because it was.
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There's no point discussing games that never happened.
What I want to point out is that the players Stephano beat weren't some random Korean scrubs who just happened to get "lucky." Even if you don't acknowledge they're Code S level, they did, in fact, take out very good players. Lucky took out MMA. Inori took out MC and HuK. STC took out IdrA and White-Ra.
Tournaments do have an element of chance, but that's true for any tournament - GSL included.
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On October 10 2011 12:28 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:25 Tewks44 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:23 Ruscour wrote:On October 10 2011 12:22 trucane wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 Ruscour wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 cyclone25 wrote:
Stephano has flawless play, best player in the world by far (maybe Mvp is close to him). Oh the irony considering your last few posts... i've backed up everything i've written, care to argue or just call me out? dude, you can't go around calling for bans because someone has an opinion that differs from your own. Don't get me wrong, I think MvP would probably beat Stephano, but I also think it would be a damn good game considering how Stephano played against MMA. Stop making it seem like Stephano fan boys are trolling. He played exceptionally in this tournament Go watch MVP's replays. Seriously, none of you guys seem to get it. You're comparing a three time code S champion to somebody who just won his very first major FOREIGN tournament. Everybody seems to think posts like this are intended to discredit Stephano when we're actually just trying to bring a little bit of reality into the situation. Yeah, Stephano is very good but MVP is absolutely next level
Some people are taking it a bit too far. Artosis level too far lol.
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On October 10 2011 12:30 GrimMind wrote:
can anyone tell me who the girl in the white dress was?
Pretty sure it was Torch's girlfriend, and she's been involved in a lot of ESPORTS stuff (even before SC2 came out). So she's like the original Anna Prosser.
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And in comes the downplaying Stephano's fantastic tournament. On that note, i'm out. Some people are never satisfied.
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PlayXP folks are impressed by Stephano. Nothing but praise. They're shitting on Lucky for not even taking a map. Some of you here are quite bitter, it seems.
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On October 10 2011 12:30 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:28 Micket wrote:On October 10 2011 12:24 spidergris wrote:On October 10 2011 12:20 jakoh wrote:On October 10 2011 12:18 PhyreHazard wrote:On October 10 2011 12:17 Ruscour wrote:On October 10 2011 12:16 MyNameIsAlex wrote:On October 10 2011 12:15 Hall0wed wrote:
Boy did Stephano ever get some help from the bracket. He had by far the easiest path, wow. Stephano 2-0 Anypro Stephano 2-1 Axslav Stephano 2-1 MarineKing Stephano 2-1 Socke Stephano 2-1 Revival Stephano 2-0 Puzzle Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi Stephano 2-1 MMA Stephano 2-0 Huk Stephano 2-0 Boxer Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi Stephano 2-0 Violet Stephano 2-1 Inori Stephano 3-1 TheStC Stephano 4-0 Lucky yeah he only beat MKP, Socke, Revival, Puzzle, MMA and Boxer to get into the tournament... haters gonna hate. online means nothing, sorry Your whining doesn't mean anything either, sorry Actually it does. Here's Nestea's quote when asked about playing online. "I don’t think I can do online. I don’t want to give any excuses, but I get really angry at the lag. Because of the lag, I don’t think I want to be in any online tournament in the future. It causes me a lot of stress without a lot of payoff." Interview was done right after a GSL match. There is a reason that Nestea refuses to participate in online tournaments. You know that sc2 dosent have LAN mode?... so basicly its always online... fail more please. By your logic, online events have just as much bearing as lan events. Therefore, DRG can't beat hellions ZvT, MMA has terrible control in TvT and MKP is out of the Kong line. But you see, no one truly believes this because online events in general are not taken seriously. Did you see Bomber pwn MVP in the MLG invitational? Then, did you see how one sided the GSL matches were? Koreans don't play properly on ladder just to hide builds and replays, why would they do so in online tournaments when they can win 50k a month. Remember Destiny beating Bomber? No one cares anymore. I know! Because live events never have lag when they're being played . . . .. .
It's not to do with lag (although it plays its role). Its to do with prestige and showing your best game for when it counts. You simply cannot say that Goody is better than Nestea, Adelscott is better than MVP, DRG sucks vs Terran, Bomber sucks vs Destiny and so on. There clearly is a difference in level in live events and online tournaments.
Also, live events don't have lag. At least not cross server lag lol.
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On October 10 2011 12:32 Azarkon wrote:
There's no point discussing games that never happened.
What I want to point out is that the players Stephano beat, weren't some random Korean scrubs who just happened to get "lucky." Even if you don't acknowledge they're Code S level, they did, in fact, take out very good players. Lucky took out MMA. Inori took out MC. STC took out IdrA, White-Ra, and Puma.
Tournaments do have an element of chance, but that's true for any tournament - GSL included.
Puma was taken out by MMA I believe
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