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Man that tournament was awesome, with crazy matches everywhere, great filler content and it was packed with great players.
The good:
Panels: both the live on three plus the two player held panels were filled with great questions and memorable moments.
Kiwi vs Stephano game 2, mined out map into double vortex archon toilet
MC 3-0ing his group stage
White-ra's warp prisms
Lucky destroying three Slayer's terrans ( even if some cheese was involved at times)
Stephano's domination
Huk vs boxer in broodwar ^-^
The explosions
The bad:
The finals; Nestea vs Losira was more exciting than that, drg vs coca last mlg was more exciting. Stephano played amazingly and I take nothing away from him with this statement but the finals were just so lackluster after all that had come beforehand.
Some of the caster combos were not well thought out, I'm not slamming anyone just saying some of the combos did not work well together.
LOL; nuff said
No 3rd/ 4th place match: I really would like to have seen that both to give Stephano a break and because TvT or not it would have been excellent.
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The uncertain
The crowd wavered between non existent or awkwardly quiet to roaring with pleasure when fan favorites or great moments happened.
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On October 10 2011 12:24 Darclite wrote:
I don't really understand the people who try to diminish a player's win the moment after he wins. What are you trying to accomplish?
"Stephano isn't good. He needs to beat Koreans. He did? Oh well that was online. That doesn't mean anything at all. He needs to win a LAN anyway. Oh he did? But...were Koreans there? Really? But not good ones right? Oh MMA, MC, Puma, Lucky, Violet, TheStC, Artist, Inori, Ryung, Boxer, Hero, Sleep, and Select were there...well...fuck you I don't like Stephano I'm not listening anymore lalalalalala."
Congratulations Stephano.
Thanks. You win the thread. Good night. Those people will never change.
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On October 10 2011 12:34 Darclite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:27 koolaid1990 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:24 nvs. wrote:On October 10 2011 12:24 Darclite wrote:
I don't really understand the people who try to diminish a player's win the moment after he wins. What are you trying to accomplish?
"Stephano isn't good. He needs to beat Koreans. He did? Oh well that was online. That doesn't mean anything at all. He needs to win a LAN anyway. Oh he did? But...were Koreans there? Really? But not good ones right? Oh MMA, MC, Puma, Lucky, Violet, TheStC, Artist, Inori, Ryung, Boxer, Hero, Sleep, and Select were there...well...fuck you I don't like Stephano I'm not listening anymore lalalalalala."
Congratulations Stephano. Can we quote this and lock the thread. Sums it up nicely. Lets see, of the ones you mentioned, which koreans are the best out of those koreans? MMA, MC, Puma, and Ryung Yes stephano beat all of them in this offline lan event! oh wait... Guys, we need to get Stephano to 4-0 Polt, MVP, Keen, Huk, Top, MC, July, Genius, Ryung, MMA, Zenio, Nestea, Puzzle, Bomber, Virus, Nada, Hongun, Happy, Killer, asd, Clide, Noblesse, Coca, Alive, Ensnare, Supernova, Losira, Taeja, Leenock, Marineking, Jjakji, Dongraegu, Oz, Gumiho, Sage, sC, Lucky, Curious, Byun, Alicia, JYP, Yugioh, and Ganzi. It needs to be at a lan or it doesn't count, and he can't cheese even if they expand at 15 or it doesn't count, and he needs to play with one hand and blindfolded or it doesn't count. Otherwise he sucks.
If he does that he just got lucky because Koreans are not used to his style.
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it's quite funny how many people seem to be fanboys instead of just fans.
i want a foreigner to win but he has to be my favourite foreign player because only i know who is the best and deserves it and anyway blargh... christ -.-
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On October 10 2011 12:32 Mojar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:29 Mczeppo wrote:
I dont get some people on TL.net here....
EVERYONE cries when korean players win all tournaments they attend and now that a foreigner has won with an absolutely top notch performance some people try to downplay it by saying his path was easy. What the hell his path wasnt easy at all. It doesnt matter if there's online matches involved. Who cares? online or offline he was better that his opponents which include many koreans and many top foreign players.
Sick Sick play... and guess what he even plays a different exciting aggressive style.
Ask dimaga
I dont just jump on the hype wagon. I mean i'm excited and all because a foreigner won but anyone who wants to complain that stephano didnt play SICK that tournament is a dick and doesnt know much about sc2. I just hate people who always WANT to see the bad sides of things.
end of story
I am a massive stephano fan and am extremely happy for him taking down this tourney. However to say his path wasn't easier then most is just wrong because it was.
maybe...
but i guess it wasnt easy after all.
I cant stand people who always have to downplay someones achievements. The finals are over for like half an hour now and people go crazy and discuss if he is "good" or anything.
This is ridiculous -_-'
"Of course he isnt special because mvp and nestea would own him like a noob and stuff"
Thats the level of conversation right now in this thread
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Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
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On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics.
Can't tell if serious or not.
But that "player x beat player y and z who already beat players a, b and c once, so player x is the best player in the effing world"-shit will never fly.
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On October 10 2011 12:24 Darclite wrote:
I don't really understand the people who try to diminish a player's win the moment after he wins. What are you trying to accomplish?
"Stephano isn't good. He needs to beat Koreans. He did? Oh well that was online. That doesn't mean anything at all. He needs to win a LAN anyway. Oh he did? But...were Koreans there? Really? But not good ones right? Oh MMA, MC, Puma, Lucky, Violet, TheStC, Artist, Inori, Ryung, Boxer, Hero, Sleep, and Select were there...well...fuck you I don't like Stephano I'm not listening anymore lalalalalala."
Congratulations Stephano.
Amen, Now the entire thread is complete
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On October 10 2011 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:35 Goshdarnit wrote:On October 10 2011 12:27 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
Stephano had an impressive showing, but you can't call someone the best foreigner (someone is even calling him the best player) in the world just because he wins 1 offline event. The players he beat weren't exactly top-tier. He beat a few of them in the online qualifiers but that doesn't mean much especially against a T or P where micro matters so much (I personally watched mkp lose to stephano because of his lack of marine splitting timing, most likely due to lag).
He's good, but don't be so damn quick to jump on the bandwagon. He won a single offline tourney by beating, frankly, mediocre players (as far as KR standards) Hmmm, the people he beat were pretty top tier. I'm not saying he IS nestea or some code S champion. But please name a foreigner who is better than him, I would like to know who it is. I know your not dissing him, but your comment is downplaying him a bit much tbh. He is a great player with fantastic potential. Also I saw him play some bad games this tournament, he has among he best zvt AND zvp in the foreigner scene and great zvz comparable to dimaga if not better. I can count the amount of zergs in the world that are as good in any matchup as he is in all three on my hands. Speaking of nestea and losira (well I wasn't but w/e) stephano might have better zvt then them (but that is not proven by anything except that zvt is the IM zergs' worst MU). They were not top-tier Koreans at all.
You're right. This tourmanet had 0 top tier koreans
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On October 10 2011 12:36 cyclone25 wrote:
Let's do some simple math @ Stephano haters.
Results since September:
1) MMA 2-1 July, MMA 2-0 Nestea, MMA 2-1 Losira
2) Lucky 3-0 MMA
3) Stephano 4-0 Lucky
That means Stephano is worlds ahead of the koreans. Don't even try to argue on this because it's just basic mathematics.
you took that a little too far
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On October 10 2011 12:35 Lamphead wrote:
lol yeah..Stephano beat a bunch of crappy Korean players..that beat every other Korean in the IPL qualifiers..lol
he had the confidence to put a smiley face at like the 3 minute mark of the game in what he calls his worst matchup based on a build order advantage he just realized..he has an extremely deep understanding of the game, which is why he's able to do so much with little practice..he's motivated by money, and now that's he's realizing his potential to take big tournaments..and he's only 18
It isn't super hard to know that you have an advantage when your opponent does a 10 p and you defend it just in time with a 14 p, is it?
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On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
By even mentioning that, you're taking things away from his win. He defeated a lot of great players to qualify for IPL, then defeated a lot more great players to win the tournament. That's all there is to it.
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PlayXP folks also are also aware that Stephano was the only foreigner to top the group from online qualifiers so they apparently paid more attention to him. (is that true? I don't know but that's what I read there) They're theory-crafting that he belongs to code S as of now. (That's purely a theory crafting, though, for all we know he could lose his first game in code B just like anyone can)
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On October 10 2011 12:36 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:34 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:33 nokz88 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:32 Azarkon wrote:
There's no point discussing games that never happened.
What I want to point out is that the players Stephano beat, weren't some random Korean scrubs who just happened to get "lucky." Even if you don't acknowledge they're Code S level, they did, in fact, take out very good players. Lucky took out MMA. Inori took out MC. STC took out IdrA, White-Ra, and Puma.
Tournaments do have an element of chance, but that's true for any tournament - GSL included.
Puma was taken out by MMA I believe Oops. And Puma beat Whitera.
Yeah, I got confused by those two, since they both get blamed for a lot of early game pushes/all-ins. STC took out SeleCT in the Ro16, and Lucky actually took out Ryung as well.
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On October 10 2011 12:29 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:23 fraktoasters wrote:On October 10 2011 12:19 MuseMike wrote:On October 10 2011 12:17 ClysmiC wrote:On October 10 2011 12:14 flojito wrote:On October 10 2011 12:10 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:06 Daniel C wrote:On October 10 2011 12:04 msjakofsky wrote:On October 10 2011 12:02 Daniel C wrote:On October 10 2011 12:00 msjakofsky wrote:
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12,5% chance for a 3-0 if it's completely random and each player has an 50% to counter the other's build Hence 25% for 3-0 or 0-3  nope... 12,5% for one player winning 3-0, it's not counted separately Yup, so there's 25% chance of either 3-0 or 0-3. do you really not understand? there is 50% chance that 1 player will counter the other in 1 match in 1 match if we flip the coins, there is 25% chance that they'll be both heads, 25% both tails and 50% for heads-tails- that includes both cases you're mentioning. with the same logic it's 50%*50%*50% in three matches, all possible outcomes included that's 12,5% not 25% You are completely misunderstanding the other guy's point. He is saying that, if we assume that a ZvZ really is a coinflip, there is 25% chance that one of the two players will be up 3-0 after three games. This is 100% true.Here is a more concrete example. Suppose that we say that the games between Lucky and Stephano were just coinflips (I know they weren't and Lucky got outplayed, but just assume that for now). Then there is a 12.5% chance that Stephano wins the first 3 games, and a 12.5% chance that Lucky wins the first 3 games. That means there is a 12.5% + 12.5% = 25% chance that one of the two will be up 3-0. Correct. Think of it like this: Bo1 has 100% chance of someone winning 1-0 Bo3 has 50% chance of someone winning 2-0 Bo5 has 25% chance of someone winning 3-0 The games are not independent. After losing a game or two a player may just play worse, therefore increasing the chances of a shutout. This whole thing is about one guy going it's 25% for 3-0 or 0-3, and other people saying it's 12.5% for a 3-0. Both are right, both are calculating different things, both are being too immature to explain their reasoning so people just keep on making stupid posts. not true if it's really coinflippy there is an 50% chance that they'll both roll the same, 25% that player 1 out-coinflips the other and 25% that player 2 out-coinflips player 1 that means that it's 25%^3 chance that player 1 will out-coinflip player 2 three times in a row and same chance for player 2 doing the same to player 1, both of them together is 12,5% the other guys were talking about the chances of a zero to three outcome which is an entirely different subject than 3 won coinflip vs coinflip in a row
Ah, I see what you're talking about now. You're talking about a game where two players each have a coin which they flip, and then if the players flip the same thing you call it a tie, and if one player flips heads while the other flips tails then the heads player wins.
In that case, the probability of player 1 winning three games in a row is (1/4)^3 = 1/64, so the probability of either player winning three in a row is 2 * 1/64 = 1/32 = 3.125%.
The meaning of "coinflip" when used in ZvZ is a bit different though. You can't tie in SC2 (outside of very very rare circumstances), so when people say that ZvZ is a coinflip they mean that each player has about a 50% chance of winning.
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On October 10 2011 12:24 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:24 Darclite wrote:
I don't really understand the people who try to diminish a player's win the moment after he wins. What are you trying to accomplish?
"Stephano isn't good. He needs to beat Koreans. He did? Oh well that was online. That doesn't mean anything at all. He needs to win a LAN anyway. Oh he did? But...were Koreans there? Really? But not good ones right? Oh MMA, MC, Puma, Lucky, Violet, TheStC, Artist, Inori, Ryung, Boxer, Hero, Sleep, and Select were there...well...fuck you I don't like Stephano I'm not listening anymore lalalalalala."
Congratulations Stephano. Can we quote this and lock the thread. Sums it up nicely.
I agree, put this at the top of the thread and lock it.. so low class to try and discredit a performance like that. The little training he does in France.. imagine this guy with top practice partners :X He is a talent.
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On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
Yeah, he had 2 koreans plus HuK in his group. Then had Kiwikaki and 4koreans in a row for the bracket. Ezpz. Jesus christ.
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congrats Stephano on the win. you earned it.
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Whatever, in the end, Stephano got $30,000.
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