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Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3 |
On October 04 2011 07:14 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive. if Chinese players are playing or can play in the Korean ladder, I don't think they are going to be behind for so long.
Dont think China has access to the Korean server, only Taiwan. China has their own bnet server so once again, they are pretty isolated compared to the rest of the world.
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I'm cheering for the Zerg. Idra Fighting!
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On October 04 2011 07:46 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 07:14 ilbh wrote:On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive. if Chinese players are playing or can play in the Korean ladder, I don't think they are going to be behind for so long. Dont think China has access to the Korean server, only Taiwan. China has their own bnet server so once again, they are pretty isolated compared to the rest of the world.
Apparently the latency from China to Korea is good enough so that most Chinese pros play on the Korean server.
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Fuck my cousin's birthday, im so watching this.
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On October 04 2011 07:55 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 07:46 Angelbelow wrote:On October 04 2011 07:14 ilbh wrote:On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive. if Chinese players are playing or can play in the Korean ladder, I don't think they are going to be behind for so long. Dont think China has access to the Korean server, only Taiwan. China has their own bnet server so once again, they are pretty isolated compared to the rest of the world. Apparently the latency from China to Korea is good enough so that most Chinese pros play on the Korean server.
They can, but not with a Chinese account, which is a big problem because it means that only pros on existing teams, who have TW/KR accounts, really get exposure to the outside world. The amateur Chinese players, who have no TW/KR accounts, are forced to play in their own little bubble (and from what Elfi said, it's a pretty crappy bubble), and this effectively means that they're only going to be as good as being one year behind allows you to be.
What Elfi said yesterday, and what Mr. Bitter is saying, makes good sense in that respect. The people on the Chinese ladder don't know what they're doing, and this is having a detrimental effect on their general understanding of the game as a SC 2 community.
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wow, the elfi hasuobs poll is dead even!
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How many hours until day 4?
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so for those of us who arn't very smart, when are the semi's? How long from now, Im pacific time US. thanks
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motbob
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I would but I was relying on the calendar to tell me when it was :o
Bad at time zone conversions.
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United Kingdom2950 Posts
Submitted! Hope it's right ><
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Mods too lazy to fill it out themselves I guess, lol.
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On October 04 2011 08:12 Toast_ wrote:
so for those of us who arn't very smart, when are the semi's? How long from now, Im pacific time US. thanks
It starts at 7 pm PST. Not always on time, though.
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I don't think the final will be good.
We'll either see Puma vs a Protoss, which I can't see being anything other than a one sided series featuring at least one 111 stomp.
Or we'll see Idra go roach/hydra/corrupter vs a Protoss and then rage that protoss is OP.
That said I'm looking forward to the Semis. Will be good to see some 1.4 PvP and see how it's developing in EU (though Elfi's 4gated twice against terran, so not betting against him to bring that out in a PvP, especially if they play on Tal D'arim). Will be interested to see how Idra fairs against Puma, he's got the best chance of stopping Puma taking the title IMO, knowing his style from the team games and not playing protoss.
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Anyone else having trouble watching the replays? When I download one, it says its going to take 30 minutes in sc2 to load. Theres no way one game is that long.
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Wait, did this already happen?
I am useless without TL calendar
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No, it starts in 2 hours 20 min from now.
The event is in the calendar now, but they accepted one that listed the time wrong.
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United States5162 Posts
The time is in the OP and they managed to get it wrong. ROFL 
Though I wish it was on an hour earlier. Having to be up at 5am isn't conducive for seeing the finals.
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idk who to cheer for, idra or puma 
as for the PvP, i really don't care about either player
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Why isn't this on the TL calender?
EDIT: Literally 2 seconds later I refresh and boom, there it is.
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