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On October 04 2011 05:59 ptrpb wrote:
3-1 Elfi
3-1 PuMa
Elfi vs PuMa finals with Elfi taking it.
MaNa has shown that even recently PuMa's TvP is not untouchable, MaNa is 4-0 against EG's Korean powerhouse and I believe Elfi has what it takes to beat PuMa.
You mean how Mana barely beat him 3-2 in eg masters, or how he beat him 2-0 in cologne but went on to win the entire tournament anyways?
I doubt comparing Elfi to Mana is even a legitimate thing to do, let alone drawing conclusions that Elfi will beat a Puma that has been beasting pretty hard the past few months.
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On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away.
Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field.
On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think it's going to happen, and with SC 2 already a year late in China and HotS unlikely to be released at the same time as the rest of the world, knowing Chinese censors, I think their pro-scene is in big trouble.
Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it.
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I love how the replays are made available during the event, instead of releasing a big replay pack at the end.
thanks IEM, really love it!
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On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it.
It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind...
They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us.
And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts.
Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs...
And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly.
And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game.
There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive.
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Despite the fact that I don't really have much hope for idrA, these games have been a lot of fun to watch. Just hoping for more good games and maybe an idra upset!?
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How many more games does Elfi have to win to prove that is not just "his opponents being bad"`?
Seriously, you don't 6-0 that group just based on luck alone.
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On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive.
I wholly agree, but do you think that the replays being released from IEM Guangzhou will change that sentiment at all?
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On October 04 2011 03:06 LiGhtoftheSwaRm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 02:55 eYeball wrote:On October 04 2011 01:59 integrity wrote:On October 04 2011 01:55 iNcontroL wrote:1. Puma 2. Hasuobs 3. IdrA 4. Elfi Wish it could be 1/2 IdrA and Puma of course  Puma is simply too monster TvZ atm.. but I am hoping for a HELL of a series from my brothers if your predictions come true i cant wait to see the 3rd place rematch between idra and elfi Well Elfi won 2-0 against Idra in group play pretty convincingly. ^^ We clearly were watching different series then, because nothing about Elfi's wins over IdrA were 'convincing.' Not to detract from Elfi's play at all, which has been surprisingly superb, IdrA should easily have had that first game and admitted he was just a bit late on his tech switch causing him to lose to the deathball, the second game had a lot to do with IdrA's playstyle for ZvP (drop and harass oriented) not working well on the map. If IdrA does beat Puma, I think he has way more of a shot against either of the Protoss' than people are giving him credit. If anyone thinks just because IdrA went 1-2 in groups means he must not be playing as well as everyone else in the Semi's they're just wrong and didn't watch all of the group games. Setting aside the bunker rush on Shakuras, IdrA really only played poorly once in the second game loss to Jinro and had some minor things prevent him from winning against Elfi in both games (and no, not because he made Hydra's..) Protoss is simply the hard matchup for Zerg atm because in some scenarios they simply have a tough time judging when to switch from Corrupters into Broodlords.. something I'm sure will be ironed out soon.
So basically what you are saying is that Elfi played better than Idra in that bo3. I agree.
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On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive.
Agreed on all points. But the real question in my mind is whether they have a year to play catch-up - after all, the rest of the world is not going to remain static.
Professional interest in SC 2 is at an all-time high in the West, but I don't get the sense that the same is true in China. The Chinese server - where, ironically, most of their pros do not play - has stalled at around ~290,000 accounts for some time now. For a country as large as China, that isn't a very big number.
I guess I'm playing the pessimist here, but while I do think that Chinese players will get better, with the speed that SC 2 is developing in the West and in Korea, I have a hard time imagining them catching up without huge domestic interest - especially since, like you said, there are factors preventing the Chinese players from seeing the rest of the world and they're not going away any time soon.
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Really hope that IdrA can take down PumA else we'll get a terrible finals with 1-1-1 rollage. 
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omg omg omg. I start work at 12 today D: noooooooo
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well i think in total hasu is the better player but elfis pvp is better so i guess elfi will win in a close series.
and puma will win the whole thing of course
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On October 04 2011 06:16 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:59 ptrpb wrote:
3-1 Elfi
3-1 PuMa
Elfi vs PuMa finals with Elfi taking it.
MaNa has shown that even recently PuMa's TvP is not untouchable, MaNa is 4-0 against EG's Korean powerhouse and I believe Elfi has what it takes to beat PuMa. You mean how Mana barely beat him 3-2 in eg masters, or how he beat him 2-0 in cologne but went on to win the entire tournament anyways? I doubt comparing Elfi to Mana is even a legitimate thing to do, let alone drawing conclusions that Elfi will beat a Puma that has been beasting pretty hard the past few months.
o.O what series are we talking about... I only know of two occasions when Mana beat Puma and several in which Puma beat Mana...
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On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive.
if Chinese players are playing or can play in the Korean ladder, I don't think they are going to be behind for so long.
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On October 04 2011 06:16 Kazeyonoma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 05:59 ptrpb wrote:
3-1 Elfi
3-1 PuMa
Elfi vs PuMa finals with Elfi taking it.
MaNa has shown that even recently PuMa's TvP is not untouchable, MaNa is 4-0 against EG's Korean powerhouse and I believe Elfi has what it takes to beat PuMa. You mean how Mana barely beat him 3-2 in eg masters, or how he beat him 2-0 in cologne but went on to win the entire tournament anyways? I doubt comparing Elfi to Mana is even a legitimate thing to do, let alone drawing conclusions that Elfi will beat a Puma that has been beasting pretty hard the past few months.
MaNa best foreign PvT...I don't think they're comparable at all.
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On October 04 2011 07:14 ilbh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:25 MrBitter wrote:On October 04 2011 06:18 Azarkon wrote:On October 04 2011 00:07 Mohdoo wrote:
China can't be too happy about their entire top 8 being foreign to their country. Its weird how China managed to be so far behind despite having access to the game for so long. Players like Loner did alright for a while, but were eventually swept away. Oh, you can be sure that they're very unhappy. Chinese eSports fans give huge flak to their Dota teams whenever they lose, despite them being the best in the world. I can only imagine the wrath that will be visited upon their SC 2 players after these humiliating losses on the home field. On the other hand, SC 2 really is failing pretty hard in China. I had hopes that this tournament would be a break-out for their players and attract interest in the same way Sky's consecutive championships in WCG WC 3 attracted interest to WC 3, but as it is now, I don't think the game will take off professionally anymore. Alas, I think SC 2 will be dead in China before long, unless Blizzard can do something about it. It makes a lot of sense to me that Chinese SC2 is so far behind... They've had access to the game for a while, but not as long as the rest of us. And because of the way the Chinese restrict access to certain websites, Chinese players aren't as exposed to meta-game shifts. Justin.tv and Own3d, to of the most popular streaming services, are both inaccessible from here in China. GOM is accessible, but it's also a pay-service, so only the most hardcore of players are going to be able to see those VODs... And as a result of this, we're left with a population of Starcraft players that are having to develop in a pretty closed off environment... In other words, the meta-game here develops a lot more slowly. And, quite frankly, you could see it in the Chinese play. We were seeing builds that were popular in Korea, North America, and Europe, 6 months ago, but since that time, players from those countries have learned how to deal with it, and advanced their understanding of the game. There's no doubt that the Chinese players are talented, but they're just behind right now. Give them a year or so, and I think they'll be much more competitive. if Chinese players are playing or can play in the Korean ladder, I don't think they are going to be behind for so long.
Only Taiwan is linked with the KR server. Mainland China this is not the case.
When I was in China I could not watch any SC2 because all popular streaming/VOD hosting sites were blocked, quite literally. I believe GOM wasn't but for some reason nothing would load on the site when I tried to watch VODs.
I believe China has a hard time connecting to the community of SC2, and thus they are not developing as fast as other regions because they are mostly isolated to themselves.
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i love how everyone praises mana's pvt yet he hasn't even performed in the gsl.. rofl
just like how everyone was saying naniwa/thorzain were the best foreigners, and couldnt even get past the first round of gsl
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On October 04 2011 07:39 koolaid1990 wrote:
i love how everyone praises mana's pvt yet he hasn't even performed in the gsl.. rofl
just like how everyone was saying naniwa/thorzain were the best foreigners, and couldnt even get past the first round of gsl
You don't actually like it.
You find it infuriating. I do too. It's alright that we mad, it's healthy.
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Idra should let puma win..so its TvP finals and Puma can take it 3-0 for EG for sure..
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