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Strelok needs to kill off the collosus. His medivacs can't support his stims and the damage from the col.
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On October 03 2011 13:16 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 13:14 Gary Oak wrote:On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote:On October 03 2011 13:06 Gatored wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 Scila wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 13:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I kinda expected him to botch that attack, too much stuff to do at the same time equals doing nothing at all(sieging, moving the bio back, EMPing and microing the vikings). What you said makes sense, except you don't really micro vikings, you just shift focus all the colossi. Yeah have fun doing that when all your vikings die in 2 storms Have fun not being able to storm in the first place because your HT got EMP'd. We can play this game all day long... There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win Don't forget that EMP/Snipe have 1 more range than Storm, making them significantly easier to land. Overall, Terran does have more to do, but Toss is less forgiving. EMP has 3 more range than storm if you include the splash. 10+2, iirc.
Isn't EMP's splash 1.5? I thought it was originally 2, but it was nerfed. I could be mistaken, so take that with a grain of salt.
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United States97277 Posts
Strelok has a way better economy and Elfi just lost an expensive army. I think Strelok can do it. Reverse all kill woot woot
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getting wayyyy too much stalkers vs marauders 
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On October 03 2011 13:12 Pirat6662001 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 13:11 Malstriks wrote:On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote:On October 03 2011 13:06 Gatored wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 Scila wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 13:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I kinda expected him to botch that attack, too much stuff to do at the same time equals doing nothing at all(sieging, moving the bio back, EMPing and microing the vikings). What you said makes sense, except you don't really micro vikings, you just shift focus all the colossi. Yeah have fun doing that when all your vikings die in 2 storms Have fun not being able to storm in the first place because your HT got EMP'd. We can play this game all day long... There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win post your evidence for this, that's just theorycrafting. last game.... in this tourney also- can u come up with other nessasary micro for toss? cause all of terran micro needs to happen to win cause collosus and templar together do more damage than should be allowed
No you really don't need all that to win as Terran, you hit those emps and HT and archons are useless gas dumps.... Vikings targeting collosi isn't exactly a micro tasking skill.
emp can literally do 1000's of points in shield damage at a time and you complain about the dmg output of Collosi HT(Two of the highest tech units toss can get)? Seriously?
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Russian Federation949 Posts
ATTTACK! THERE IS a 30 supply army lead!!!!
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Strelok with +30 supply going for a timing before Elfi gets out templar tech!
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On October 03 2011 13:17 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 13:16 Jakkerr wrote:On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote:On October 03 2011 13:06 Gatored wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 Scila wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 13:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I kinda expected him to botch that attack, too much stuff to do at the same time equals doing nothing at all(sieging, moving the bio back, EMPing and microing the vikings). What you said makes sense, except you don't really micro vikings, you just shift focus all the colossi. Yeah have fun doing that when all your vikings die in 2 storms Have fun not being able to storm in the first place because your HT got EMP'd. We can play this game all day long... There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win If this is true then why doesn't the GSL have 20 protoss instead of 20 terrans in code S? Since most Bo3's get decided on 200/200 fights. Stop spreading lies -.- Because Korean Terrans are amazing at multitasking / microing and it comes naturally to them. A lot of non-korean pros get overwhelmed by all the things you need to do in a late game TvP engagement, like Strelok in that game.
so... he didn't deserve to win then.
Why are we discussing this lol
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Strelok looked good that time. Very cool marauder lift to snipe the colossus at the end
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Dat Strelok macro! What happens when you don't see some strange tank play.
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Strelok taking the first game off of Elfi this tournament. Shaping up to be an interesting series :D
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Seems Strelok has woken up now....nice play!
Both players seemed really nervous first 2 games....
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Elfi's forcefields were questionable in the first fight, no reason to lose that many sentries.
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On October 03 2011 13:19 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 13:17 Scila wrote:On October 03 2011 13:16 Jakkerr wrote:On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote:On October 03 2011 13:06 Gatored wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 Scila wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 13:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I kinda expected him to botch that attack, too much stuff to do at the same time equals doing nothing at all(sieging, moving the bio back, EMPing and microing the vikings). What you said makes sense, except you don't really micro vikings, you just shift focus all the colossi. Yeah have fun doing that when all your vikings die in 2 storms Have fun not being able to storm in the first place because your HT got EMP'd. We can play this game all day long... There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win If this is true then why doesn't the GSL have 20 protoss instead of 20 terrans in code S? Since most Bo3's get decided on 200/200 fights. Stop spreading lies -.- Because Korean Terrans are amazing at multitasking / microing and it comes naturally to them. A lot of non-korean pros get overwhelmed by all the things you need to do in a late game TvP engagement, like Strelok in that game. so... he didn't deserve to win then. Why are we discussing this lol
I was never discussing balance. I was responding to people who said that it's really easy for Terran in 200/200 fights against Toss.
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Russian Federation949 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:16 Jakkerr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote:On October 03 2011 13:06 Gatored wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 Scila wrote:On October 03 2011 13:04 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 13:02 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I kinda expected him to botch that attack, too much stuff to do at the same time equals doing nothing at all(sieging, moving the bio back, EMPing and microing the vikings). What you said makes sense, except you don't really micro vikings, you just shift focus all the colossi. Yeah have fun doing that when all your vikings die in 2 storms Have fun not being able to storm in the first place because your HT got EMP'd. We can play this game all day long... There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win If this is true then why doesn't the GSL have 20 protoss instead of 20 terrans in code S? Since most Bo3's get decided on 200/200 fights. Stop spreading lies -.-
What GSL do u watch? terran dominates the timing pushes in 100-150 range and then goes into late game with great advantage. Like i said- early/ mid game is unquestionably terran but late game/ max upgrades is way better for toss
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If you have the better army, and superior econ, it's time to attack. Well done Strelok! Now we have a series.
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So how come terrans don't get the medivac energy upgrade? Seems like it would be useful as the match goes on; do they need the reactored port that much?
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EPT
