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Pirat6662001
Russian Federation949 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:11 Malstriks wrote: post your evidence for this, that's just theorycrafting. last game.... in this tourney also- can u come up with other nessasary micro for toss? cause all of terran micro needs to happen to win cause collosus and templar together do more damage than should be allowed | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote: There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win Don't forget that EMP/Snipe have 1 more range than Storm, making them significantly easier to land. Overall, Terran does have more to do, but Toss is less forgiving. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:09 teamamerica wrote: Yeah you have to have the kite the vikings out of the storm and try to come in on a side angle. Also storm dodge your bio, try to emp the templars coming in from the back, set up tanks, and kite. It's really difficult to micro a bio/tank/viking when there's AoE out on the field. At the same time Toss has it's own positioning issues so don't take what I'm saying as about balance. They have to dodge make sure not to get blanket emp'd but in the end there's a reason you don't see heavy bio-tank army. It actually just blows to any form of AoE, because the AoE just destroys the bio and leaves the tanks vunerable to die, because if you kite the storms/collusi your tanks die (and you need a lot of tank volleys to really make a difference). 1-1-1 tank timings were good because they exploited toss before they could get collusi/templar. Jeez you're making Terran look so difficult to play in that game lol. tbh fail and late EMP, there's only 3-4 colossi so 3-4 shift click isn't that hard right? what about after that? All he had to do is dodge storm and micro against zealot. I know it's not much chance but at least it makes him look better in that terrible game. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Hoping for a more standard bio game out of Strelok this time where he can use some nice drop play. He was very weighed down by tanks in the last game. | ||
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InserT_FreQ
United States99 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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positron.
634 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:14 Gary Oak wrote: Don't forget that EMP/Snipe have 1 more range than Storm, making them significantly easier to land. Overall, Terran does have more to do, but Toss is less forgiving. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:14 Gary Oak wrote: Don't forget that EMP/Snipe have 1 more range than Storm, making them significantly easier to land. Overall, Terran does have more to do, but Toss is less forgiving. EMP has 3 more range than storm if you include the splash. 10+2, iirc. | ||
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GD1
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:09 Pirat6662001 wrote: There is not agrument- terran is really strong, and in small/ medium groups is better. But in true max army Toss has a huge micro advantage Terran Micro: dogging storms Sieging tanks Emps/snipes Vikings targeting Stimming Kitting with bio Toss micro- place couple good storms FF make sure zealots and archons ar einfront Dodge EMP Wayyyy less to do. Thus- equal skill- max army- toss win If this is true then why doesn't the GSL have 20 protoss instead of 20 terrans in code S? Since most Bo3's get decided on 200/200 fights. Stop spreading lies -.- | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:14 Gary Oak wrote: Don't forget that EMP/Snipe have 1 more range than Storm, making them significantly easier to land. Overall, Terran does have more to do, but Toss is less forgiving. This. Toss need some nice army positioning before engaging(Having sentries and templars split, zealots in front of stalkers, etc. Terran needs more active micro during battle(Dodging storm, emping and kiting). | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:16 Jakkerr wrote: If this is true then why doesn't the GSL have 20 protoss instead of 20 terrans in code S? Since most Bo3's get decided on 200/200 fights. Stop spreading lies -.- Because Korean Terrans are amazing at multitasking / microing and it comes naturally to them. A lot of non-korean pros get overwhelmed by all the things you need to do in a late game TvP engagement, like Strelok in that game. | ||
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mYiKane
Canada1772 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:12 Pirat6662001 wrote: last game.... in this tourney also- can u come up with other nessasary micro for toss? cause all of terran micro needs to happen to win cause collosus and templar together do more damage than should be allowed you're just theorycrafting and coming off kinda whiney. and you can't say that game was evidence because there was obviously more to elfi winning than PURELY micro in the last battle. | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
On October 03 2011 13:14 tuho12345 wrote: Jeez you're making Terran look so difficult to play in that game lol. tbh fail and late EMP, there's only 3-4 colossi so 3-4 shift click isn't that hard right? what about after that? All he had to do is dodge storm and micro against zealot. I know it's not much chance but at least it makes him look better in that terrible game. Do you even play Terran? Strelok EMP was pretty bad but from the angle he engaged at the ghost was going to die anyway pretty quickly. All he had to do was dodge storm with 2 control groups, try to focus fire his tanks (which just die) and microing isn't just selecting the whole group and stutter stepping - it's selecting smaller groups. You prolly think 1-1-1 is just some amove shit too, don't you? Strelok deserved to lose that fight for sure but it's not easy mode win either. | ||
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DuB phool
United States1003 Posts
Anyway, Elfi is posting some amazing results for a player who I've only barely heard of and never seen play! | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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