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On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please? 1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B: 1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player. Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say). The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining.
BS. If Bulldog was as good as 1-1-1 is now pro BW toss players would have used it a lot more.
And the last part is easy to say as a terran. Even pro terrans like Polt and MVP can admit there is something wrong, but go ahead and keep advocating for your race. It's pretty obvious how biased you are.
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On September 21 2011 21:21 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:18 Dean_ wrote:
People need to stop hating terran players and start blaming blizzard I agree that people need to stop hating terran players but blizzards job isnt easy. Like Naruto pointed out balance isnt so easy, you cant just be like "lawl lets nerf marines" cause then it might fix some all ins while fucking up everything else.
Yeah, it's actually a bit disgusting that viewers hate on Terran players for...what? Picking terran?
Oh yeah, that's justified hatred if I've ever seen it [/sarcasmtag]
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On September 21 2011 21:22 flodeskum wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:21 killernaut wrote:On September 21 2011 20:46 BlazingGlory wrote:
0 Protoss in code S - quite possible probably not, we'll probably be seeing genius get into the RO8 again Hongun and Genius will VR all-in their way to ro16 at least.
or immortal all-in when 1.4 gets here!
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On September 21 2011 21:20 Alric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:16 Maghetti wrote:
Artosis still talking about expansions being weak vs 1/1/1... Absolutely true. That first push from Virus would have completely destroyed an expansion, especially on that map.
Virus didn't do a 1-1-1 though.
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Wish that asd would change his nick back to Nuclear. Asd is such a terrible nick...
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On September 21 2011 21:20 Alric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:16 Maghetti wrote:
Artosis still talking about expansions being weak vs 1/1/1... Absolutely true. That first push from Virus would have completely destroyed an expansion, especially on that map.
The expansion pays for it self by time the 1/1/1 push comes. If there is one thing we can be sure of it is that the 1/1/1 attack is not meant to kill a greedy expand. The only thing a fast expand can do against a 1/1/1 is give you a bigger army then you would have in the same time period as a 1 base. Plus as you saw with huk, if you stay on 1 base and hold the first attack, the 2nd one will kill you. OR they contain and expand and you die a few minutes later.
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On September 21 2011 21:22 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:21 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:20 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:19 Demonace34 wrote:2:50 1 rax expand from asd, virus goes late gas. 4:00 Virus throws down his expand getting a factory afterward. asd throws up both gasses after CC and gets factory shortly after. 6:40 BF upgrade on the way for Virus. Both players getting starport and scan each other at the same time. asd getting tanks. 7:40 BFH drop from Virus gets spotted and thwarted by asd's marine tank. Both players look to be going heavy mech.
9:00BFH drop gets barely spotted by a viking, tries to go in for a land but superb marine micro is able to pick off the medivac before they get down. asd pushing into the natural of Virus, almost losing a tank. BFH get in asd natural and get a few kills. Worker count even.
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Seeing as Terminus now has rocks at the third base does that mean Blizzard will finally allow it into the map pool? (still don't understand their rock fetish but, there you go)
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On September 21 2011 21:14 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:12 Rayansaki wrote:On September 21 2011 21:10 ViperPL wrote:
Awesome, all terrans + Nestea and 1 non-terran from group E. Worst GSL ever ? Worst GSL because the best players are advancing? No worst GSL because mediocre players playing a better race are advancing. User was warned for this post
I must lol.
Terrans advancing so far: MVP, Bomber, Ryung, Clide, MMA.
So much mediocrity.
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On September 21 2011 21:23 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:20 Alric wrote:On September 21 2011 21:16 Maghetti wrote:
Artosis still talking about expansions being weak vs 1/1/1... Absolutely true. That first push from Virus would have completely destroyed an expansion, especially on that map. Virus didn't do a 1-1-1 though.
You mean the dreaded marine-tank-banshee push.
No he just did the marine-tank push into wave 2 with scv-marine-tank-medivac push.
The marine tank combo is the real issue I think, though honestly I used to think banshees were the issue with the m-t-b all-in.
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On September 21 2011 21:22 kotlok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please? 1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B: 1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. The problem with protoss splash is (like MC already mentioned), that it is too far in tech: t4 (gate, Core, Robo, Bay) (gate, core, council, archives) The other races can get splash much earlier: helions + banelings are t2 But I am with you when saying, that you cant justify every PvT loss with "terran OP". Thats not true because there are a lot skilled terrans out there. But I think we come together when saying that in general protoss lacks behind the other 2 races atm.
You're forgetting the easiest to access Protoss splash against Marine/Siege Tank.
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On September 21 2011 21:24 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:22 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:21 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:20 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 21:19 Demonace34 wrote:2:50 1 rax expand from asd, virus goes late gas. 4:00 Virus throws down his expand getting a factory afterward. asd throws up both gasses after CC and gets factory shortly after. 6:40 BF upgrade on the way for Virus. Both players getting starport and scan each other at the same time. asd getting tanks. 7:40 BFH drop from Virus gets spotted and thwarted by asd's marine tank. Both players look to be going heavy mech. 9:00BFH drop gets barely spotted by a viking, tries to go in for a land but superb marine micro is able to pick off the medivac before they get down. asd pushing into the natural of Virus, almost losing a tank. BFH get in asd natural and get a few kills. Worker count even.
11:30 Armory and CC almost complete for Virus. asd getting stim concussive and +1 weapons. Virus harassing with viking landing.
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On September 21 2011 21:23 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please? 1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B: 1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player. Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say). The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining. BS. If Bulldog was as good as 1-1-1 is now pro BW toss players would have used it a lot more. And the last part is easy to say as a terran. Even pro terrans like Polt and MVP can admit there is something wrong, but go ahead and keep advocating for your race. It's pretty obvious how biased you are.
They admit the combination is wrong and I agree, but its not solved by nerfing the individual units. MVP also said he wouldn't use it, because its overpowered and... wait. What did he do to HuK? A variation of it, IN EVERY GAME.
And I don't know what level you are on in Broodwar, but Bulldog was definately a good build if executed well (aka do not let your opponent scout everything-_-)
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On September 21 2011 21:22 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:20 Rykros wrote:Poll: Which Match up you miss the most? in Code S PvZ (48) 58% PvP (25) 30% ZvZ (10) 12% 83 total votes Your vote: Which Match up you miss the most? in Code S (Vote): PvP
(Vote): ZvZ
(Vote): PvZ
How the fuck can PvP ever beat ZvZ Philistines T_T
How can PvP beat any MU. The only good thing about the lack of Toss in GSL is the number of PvPs we have to endure.
Also the poll does miss a TvP and a TvZ option. Yeah you see some from time to time but 95% of the games seem to be TvT 
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On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please? 1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B: 1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining.
interesting, I remember you being warned/banned few months ago for whinning/raging how bad terran is. Do I remember wrong?
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On September 21 2011 21:22 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Here is how boring the first 9 minutes of a TvT is. Tastosis have not talked about the game once and have not missed a single thing because nothing has happened
Lol what? TvT has one of the most action packed harass in the early game.
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sick macro from virus. clearly code s material
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Haha, virus needed to rebuild barracks to turn his 3rd into a orbital...
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On September 21 2011 21:25 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 21:18 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please? 1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B: 1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran. And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage. If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game. :/ Really people should start thinking before posting. Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins. I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue. That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc. Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed. But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem. But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining. interesting, I remember you being warned/banned few months ago for whinning/raging how bad terran is. Do I remember wrong?
I got warned and I still did play and work on my game :-)!
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http://whitecosmos.tumblr.com/post/10478703790/nestea-on-his-game-vs-mma
Nestea, on his game vs MMA
Question:
How was your first game against MMA?
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MMA uses Medivac a lot normally. I don't normally play with the timer on, but this time I turned on the timer while practicing. I measured my opponent's harass timing as I played. I prepared thinking if I could stop the medivacs I would be able to win.
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