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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 21 2011 12:16 GMT
#2321
Artosis still talking about expansions being weak vs 1/1/1...
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
September 21 2011 12:16 GMT
#2322
Hope nestea can make this legend of the nestea GSL where he wipes out terran all the way to 1st
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ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
September 21 2011 12:16 GMT
#2323
On September 21 2011 21:15 fixed_point wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:14 Oboeman wrote:
asd earned his win.

Virus is a prime example of what polt was talking about in the group selections.

zenio flanked quite a bit, which is great to see, but in a lot of the engagements he engaged while coming around a corner up a ramp, which chokes the units more and lines them up isntead of spreading them out. He also lost far too many mutas.

ling baneling muta doesn't beat terran when you're trading, you have to stomp his army into the ground without losing your mutas and still having banelings left over.


What was polt talking about? I missed the selections.


He said that some of code S terrans are carried by race and not skill.
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KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
September 21 2011 12:17 GMT
#2324
On September 21 2011 21:15 fixed_point wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:14 Oboeman wrote:
asd earned his win.

Virus is a prime example of what polt was talking about in the group selections.

zenio flanked quite a bit, which is great to see, but in a lot of the engagements he engaged while coming around a corner up a ramp, which chokes the units more and lines them up isntead of spreading them out. He also lost far too many mutas.

ling baneling muta doesn't beat terran when you're trading, you have to stomp his army into the ground without losing your mutas and still having banelings left over.


What was polt talking about? I missed the selections.

Polt said, that there are Terrans in Code S, who don't deserve that skillwise.
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
September 21 2011 12:17 GMT
#2325
On September 21 2011 21:15 fixed_point wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:14 Oboeman wrote:
asd earned his win.

Virus is a prime example of what polt was talking about in the group selections.

zenio flanked quite a bit, which is great to see, but in a lot of the engagements he engaged while coming around a corner up a ramp, which chokes the units more and lines them up isntead of spreading them out. He also lost far too many mutas.

ling baneling muta doesn't beat terran when you're trading, you have to stomp his army into the ground without losing your mutas and still having banelings left over.



What was polt talking about? I missed the selections.


He said some terran are getting such good results in code S because of there race not because of there skill.
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Darneck
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1394 Posts
September 21 2011 12:17 GMT
#2326
On September 21 2011 21:16 Maghetti wrote:
Artosis still talking about expansions being weak vs 1/1/1...

Pretty much everything is weak against it's so it's almost even pointless to discuss what is less weak.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
September 21 2011 12:17 GMT
#2327
On September 21 2011 21:17 KingPaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:15 fixed_point wrote:
On September 21 2011 21:14 Oboeman wrote:
asd earned his win.

Virus is a prime example of what polt was talking about in the group selections.

zenio flanked quite a bit, which is great to see, but in a lot of the engagements he engaged while coming around a corner up a ramp, which chokes the units more and lines them up isntead of spreading them out. He also lost far too many mutas.

ling baneling muta doesn't beat terran when you're trading, you have to stomp his army into the ground without losing your mutas and still having banelings left over.


What was polt talking about? I missed the selections.

Polt said, that there are Terrans in Code S, who don't deserve that skillwise.


Suddenly, I have a lot of respect for Polt.
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Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
September 21 2011 12:17 GMT
#2328
(P)Virus P9<Terminus RE>(T)asd P12
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RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
September 21 2011 12:18 GMT
#2329
On September 21 2011 21:17 Quintum_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:15 fixed_point wrote:
On September 21 2011 21:14 Oboeman wrote:
asd earned his win.

Virus is a prime example of what polt was talking about in the group selections.

zenio flanked quite a bit, which is great to see, but in a lot of the engagements he engaged while coming around a corner up a ramp, which chokes the units more and lines them up isntead of spreading them out. He also lost far too many mutas.

ling baneling muta doesn't beat terran when you're trading, you have to stomp his army into the ground without losing your mutas and still having banelings left over.



What was polt talking about? I missed the selections.


He said some terran are getting such good results in code S because of there race not because of there skill.

At least they had the skills to pick a good race .
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Dean_
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland36 Posts
September 21 2011 12:18 GMT
#2330
People need to stop hating terran players and start blaming blizzard
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Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
September 21 2011 12:18 GMT
#2331
No more balance whines the next minutes; its a TvT w00h00!
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UCD2
Profile Joined January 2009
United States109 Posts
September 21 2011 12:18 GMT
#2332
let us put PvZ to the testament again tonight
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 21 2011 12:18 GMT
#2333
On September 21 2011 21:15 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On September 21 2011 21:06 Tenox wrote:
On September 21 2011 20:57 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On September 21 2011 20:55 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:
On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already?


Anyone? Please?


1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo


Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B:

1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact


How can I be biased towards Protoss? I am Terran.

And what happened was Marine/Tank rolled 3 Gate Robo and for me thats perfectly fine. Marines are high DPS, low HP units that need to get countered by splash damage.
If its through own tanks (aka enough zealots and good force fields so Terran has actually to focus fire with tanks) or with colossus OR overwhelming forces. Huk had neither and made mistakes so he lost the game.

:/ Really people should start thinking before posting.


Well your analysis is slightly incorrect, there was never a big enough window of time during the game where he could get out colossi safely, not even after he defended the first all-in...Even if he did another build it still wouldn't be possible vs these typ of all-ins.


I didn't say he needed a Colossus that game, I did name the counters to many marines. He didn't bring any of them or didn't control well enough, so he lost. Not saying its not easy to execute and strong for Terran, but calling it imbalanced or completely unbeatable is untrue.

That asd guy even though playing against not the best Zerg (no offence to Zenio) is really good. Strong macro, continues to expand, good drops etc.


Something doesn't have to be 'completely unbeatable' to be imbalanced. If it is far easier to execute than to defend that in itself is a problem. VR all-ins were never completely unbeatable either yet they were nerfed.

But yeah, even if there no were no toss left in code S or A people like you would still be claiming there's no problem.


I strongly disagree. In Broodwar there was Protoss Bulldog against Terran fast expansion. It was 3 gates + a robotics for shuttle to drop zealots on the high ground. It was INSANELY hard to defend and very basic to execute for a good player.

Ofcourse I agree with you, that the 1-1-1 or any variation of the build is 'easy' but not as easy to execute as a lot of people might think. Ofcourse its still easier than the defence (far easier I'd even say).

The thing is, that there is NOTHING TO NERF. Marines are not overpowered in itself, neither are tanks, medivacs or banshees. The combination of all those things make it very hard for Protoss. Barracks build time got nerfed and immortal range got buffed, I think this will lead to a more solid defence which could help out a lot, we will see.

But "people like me" would still play and work on the game instead of wasting time complaining.
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Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
September 21 2011 12:19 GMT
#2334
On September 21 2011 21:17 Demonace34 wrote:
(P)Virus P9<Terminus RE>(T)asd P12

2:50 1 rax expand from asd, virus goes late gas.
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LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
September 21 2011 12:19 GMT
#2335
On September 21 2011 21:14 vertical101 wrote:
if huk advance he have to face nestea then mvp/bomber. life is hard for huk


there's no "then" when you face nestea except for "then you're eliminated"
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DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
September 21 2011 12:19 GMT
#2336
On September 21 2011 21:13 kodas wrote:
Just curious here, I've seen the phrase "You don't know what you are talking about" or "Don't talk if you don't understand the game" used a bunch. Just curious, I will give the people the benefit of the doubt here and say you might be masters plus, but do you honestly think YOU understand the game at all? I mean I play maybe 10 games a week as masters Terran/Zerg(two different accounts) and I just mimic what I see pros do. The only thing I see is a bunch of people just wanting to call different opinions wrong....oh well I guess that is what LR is now.


The hardest part of a RTS game is trying to understand your enemy plan and stop it efficiently. Its completely different when you are behind the screen playing and are completely on the dark trying to figure what your oponnent is trying to do just from bits of information you get here and there. Another thing is watching from the view of a professional observer showing everything that matters to you + information from tabs + information artosis and tasteless give to you through the casting.

Not saying people do understand the game, just that whoever watches the game from outside in this scenario in a way better position to analyze the game than the pro playing it with limited information + pressure.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
September 21 2011 12:19 GMT
#2337
On September 21 2011 21:14 Logros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:12 Rayansaki wrote:
On September 21 2011 21:10 ViperPL wrote:
Awesome, all terrans + Nestea and 1 non-terran from group E. Worst GSL ever ?


Worst GSL because the best players are advancing?


No worst GSL because mediocre players playing a better race are advancing.


Well asd may be a mediocre terran compared to some of the other "stars", but it wouldn't matter what race Zenio was, asd definitely had that game. I saw no imbalance, I just saw asd beat Zenio.

In a way I prefer the LR threads when it's TvT only, since it doesn't make up imbalance when it didn't exist in a game =/
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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 21 2011 12:20 GMT
#2338
On September 21 2011 21:18 Loxley wrote:
No more balance whines the next minutes; its a TvT w00h00!


you give us too much credit. We won't be all that interested in watching TvT (until it gets to lasers and explosions) so will continue posting about the previous games while vaguely listening to the game in the background.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
September 21 2011 12:20 GMT
#2339
On September 21 2011 21:19 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:17 Demonace34 wrote:
(P)Virus P9<Terminus RE>(T)asd P12

2:50 1 rax expand from asd, virus goes late gas.

4:00 Virus throws down his expand getting a factory afterward. asd throws up both gasses after CC and gets factory shortly after.
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Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
September 21 2011 12:20 GMT
#2340
On September 21 2011 21:19 Demonace34 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 21:17 Demonace34 wrote:
(P)Virus P9<Terminus RE>(T)asd P12

2:50 1 rax expand from asd, virus goes late gas.


Quick correction demon, you got Virus as protoss.
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