On September 04 2011 05:30 Entropic wrote: All this talk about EU dominating AM... who cares... both pale to KR lawl
qft
Its true though. Kr have dominated every Eu tournament they've been to just as hard as AM (ok not quite as hard). Both scenes are leagues away from Korea. Lesser known players from Iccup weekly and GSTL WTF selections impress me more than lots of the better known foreign players.
EU players have failed to convince me that a MLG with EU players instead of AM will result in anything different to what we are seeing atm.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
It actually is! People like you end up there for being lazy and a potential threat to e-Sports...
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
On September 04 2011 05:30 Entropic wrote: All this talk about EU dominating AM... who cares... both pale to KR lawl
qft
Its true though. Kr have dominated every Eu tournament they've been to just as hard as AM (ok not quite as hard). Both scenes are leagues away from Korea. Lesser known players from Iccup weekly and GSTL WTF selections impress me more than lots of the better known foreign players.
EU players have failed to convince me that a MLG with EU players instead of AM will result in anything different to what we are seeing atm.
It would be very surprising if it wasnt like this. I mean korea is the place where BW (a vedio game) manages to become the most viewed event. In foreign countried if you ask your family, hell even your friends weather they know what ESPORTS is, they would be like E-what?
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
Sorry about that. I'm a very naive guy (that's true)
On September 04 2011 05:30 Entropic wrote: All this talk about EU dominating AM... who cares... both pale to KR lawl
qft
Its true though. Kr have dominated every Eu tournament they've been to just as hard as AM (ok not quite as hard). Both scenes are leagues away from Korea. Lesser known players from Iccup weekly and GSTL WTF selections impress me more than lots of the better known foreign players.
EU players have failed to convince me that a MLG with EU players instead of AM will result in anything different to what we are seeing atm.
Assembly was pretty good for EU. (huk and Nada failed early) IEM also wasnt that bad even though it had a kor final (Killer and huk failed in group stage)
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
So much generalizing, I was hyping up nerchio before most of the EU crowd was even doing so. Also pretty ironic thing to cry ignorance when we saw waves of EU people not knowing who trimaster was, NA and EU crowds are biased towards their own hidden talent and will logically know about those smaller cup winners before anyone else will.
yeah kind of agree with this. While I do agree that EU has more better players, there are NA players who can play and beat EU players and have done so many times.
Yeah, everyone just wants to bash everyone elses scene because they like their own better. American and Europe both have talent, Europe might have more talent right now, but I think IdrA, Tyler (if he trained hard), Huk, Sheth, QXC, KiwiKaki, TT1, Cruncher and Trimaster are players who can hang with the best in any country.
Either way, comparing scenes is so hard to do especially when there isn't an even setting between all of them.
If you start with South Korean you realize that their infrastructure is why they are the best in the world right now, they grew up on Boxer and SC1 already had team houses and gaming is accepted over there. Did I mention most of the teams and players live close together where it is easy for the top players to come together in person, talk strategy over a meal and go home and play.
Europe and especially Sweden seems to be more open to gaming. Infrastructure is still lacking compared to the Koreans, but they have been getting houses set up quicker than NA and have a ton more weekly tournaments than the other scenes. I'm not the most educated on Europe scene though, so these are pretty general.
The NA scene, even though there are a ton of players and people here, has less people willing to give up working and going to college (going all-in) on Starcraft II. Our country and population is spread out thin, gaming is still considered nerdy and a waste of time to most parents here (Day9 being the big exception). No infrastructure til recently has been going up(EG house), MLG has to hit 6-8 locations a year to actually bring gaming over the entire U.S.
I just wish people would stop saying KR>EU>AM without actually looking at the reason it may or may not be that way. I do understand that we are all human, and we love to look at everything black and white without any grey areas, but that is just flawed thinking. Everything has a hint of grey.
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