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Damn i missed my game i signed up but i thought i read september 4th on the Team Liquid Open #22 Page...
I didn't realise it was actually this morning when i signed up! Damnit!
I swear it said september 4th but it was in KST time i think so that's why i got confused... i didn't refresh after changing my time zone on my profile Damn!!!
EST Time here so its September 3rd here... damnit~!!!
I believe idra could have defended if he had some spines in the middle ground and if he didn't waste his lings / roaches so early. Then again I really don't understand how it is possible that Idra only was at 140 supply at 15min - I missed the start of the game. What happened?
On September 04 2011 04:05 Shikyo wrote: I believe idra could have defended if he had some spines in the middle ground and if he didn't waste his lings / roaches so early. Then again I really don't understand how it is possible that Idra only was at 140 supply at 15min - I missed the start of the game. What happened?
The protoss dropped 4 setnries into Idras main, FF the ramp, and warped in a bunch of units. Killed all of Idras drone/queen in main, a bunch of roaches that were spawning, a macro hatch, and I think maybe a SPool as well.
On September 04 2011 04:06 Alpina wrote: I don't get why he got those infestors.. If he would made banelings for same amount of gas he would have raped those zealots.
He had infestors coming before he knew it was mass zealot/archon
On September 04 2011 04:05 Shikyo wrote: I believe idra could have defended if he had some spines in the middle ground and if he didn't waste his lings / roaches so early. Then again I really don't understand how it is possible that Idra only was at 140 supply at 15min - I missed the start of the game. What happened?
The protoss dropped 4 setnries into Idras main, FF the ramp, and warped in a bunch of units. Killed all of Idras drone/queen in main, a bunch of roaches that were spawning, a macro hatch, and I think maybe a SPool as well.
Oh that sucks. Then that might be partially why he died so easily, still think he'd have had a better chance if he made some spines
On September 04 2011 04:06 Alpina wrote: I don't get why he got those infestors.. If he would made banelings for same amount of gas he would have raped those zealots.
He had infestors coming before he knew it was mass zealot/archon
Toss had like 30 zealots on his ramp so that wasn't a ploblem to scout^^
Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning for not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning. Idra, you're a sad human being.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
He hasn't changed just your perception of his BM has.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning. Idra, you're a sad human being.
lol at referring to kalin as an unknown
You helped me a lot here. Sorry, I usually know a good portion of obscure players, but I didn't knew him, so I guess I'm not alone.
When the american fans don't know nerchio, stephano before LAN appearances when they were tearing eu up online, how do you except them to know kalin who "just" goes semi-deep in the eu weekly tournies. Either way weird series, some cool builds by Kalin.
On September 04 2011 04:19 vilg wrote: When the american fans don't know nerchio, stephano before LAN appearances when they were tearing eu up online, how do you except them to know kalin who "just" goes semi-deep in the eu weekly tournies.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
On September 04 2011 04:15 Whatsup wrote: What did Idra wrote before the gg on metalopolis? I missed it
boy it must be frustrating when your cheesy bullshit doesn't work.
That was golden when IdrA Said that
BM is good for E-Sports ! (Just not on the level of Combat-EX BM)
IdrA is manner he's just BM when Low Skill Ceiling Protoss utilise cheese to win because they can't play a straight up game.
Because forcefielding ramp and using warp-prism is not playing straight-up ? What's playing straight-up then ? Camping at your base while Idra makes only drones and take the whole map ? Is playing straight-up another expression for playing stupid ?
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
On September 04 2011 04:15 Whatsup wrote: What did Idra wrote before the gg on metalopolis? I missed it
boy it must be frustrating when your cheesy bullshit doesn't work.
That was golden when IdrA Said that
BM is good for E-Sports ! (Just not on the level of Combat-EX BM)
IdrA is manner he's just BM when Low Skill Ceiling Protoss utilise cheese to win because they can't play a straight up game.
Because forcefielding ramp and using warp-prism is not playing straight-up ? What's playing straight-up then ? Camping at your base while Idra makes only drones and take the whole map ? Is playing straight-up another expression for playing stupid ?
That really isn't straight up, it's very creative. If you want to see straight up protoss play that wins watch MaNa or Socke.
Whether people consider it cheesy or gimmicky is just subjective.
he wants protoss to play like zerg, taking expansions, huge macro game 3-4 robos ready to switch back and forth between mass colossus and templars etc...
On September 04 2011 04:15 Whatsup wrote: What did Idra wrote before the gg on metalopolis? I missed it
boy it must be frustrating when your cheesy bullshit doesn't work.
That was golden when IdrA Said that
BM is good for E-Sports ! (Just not on the level of Combat-EX BM)
IdrA is manner he's just BM when Low Skill Ceiling Protoss utilise cheese to win because they can't play a straight up game.
Because forcefielding ramp and using warp-prism is not playing straight-up ? What's playing straight-up then ? Camping at your base while Idra makes only drones and take the whole map ? Is playing straight-up another expression for playing stupid ?
That really isn't straight up, it's very creative. If you want to see straight up protoss play that wins watch MaNa or Socke.
Whether people consider it cheesy or gimmicky is just subjective.
Not that that stopped Mana from getting bm'd
TGun really got pretty sick lately, time in Korea well spent imo. Fun player to watch and consistently performing too. Good stuff.
ed: though I thought he won 2-0 and apparently it's only 1-1, speaking of 1 and 1, I hope he can hold off this 11-11 ><
On September 04 2011 04:31 alan25 wrote: he wants protoss to play like zerg, taking expansions, huge macro game 3-4 robos ready to switch back and forth between mass colossus and templars etc...
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
Most people dont throw about insults when something goes wrong at work ;-)
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
I don't want to enter this debate, I'll just direct you to all other progamers who are doing that as a job for years but still manage to respect their opponents.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
Most people dont throw about insults when something goes wrong at work ;-)
I would point to all other sports or games being played as a living, There is even alot of shit talking in chess.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
so what, everyone else he BMs plays it just one hour a day for fun?
Wow Nerchio getting pwned by another creative strategy. This weekend (since code A qualifiers) have seen a resurgence of strong protoss play and builds, is it the end of the general protoss slump ?
I would point to all other sports or games being played as a living, There is even alot of shit talking in chess.
idra playing chess would be hilarious. idra as white plays e4, opponent plays c5, idra claims white isn't supposed to beat the sicilian and resigns on the spot
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
Most people dont throw about insults when something goes wrong at work ;-)
I would point to all other sports or games being played as a living, There is even alot of shit talking in chess.
Yeah - we totally see the runner up in wimbledon complaining how cheesy hitting all those aces is ;-)
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
I don't want to enter this debate, I'll just direct you to all other progamers who are doing that as a job for years but still manage to respect their opponents.
We don't live in a utopia where everyone puts on a fake smile and fake wink thanking them for a raping they just got.
Any competitive scene requires a polarizing figure to contrast the mannerisms of others, I personally find sheth's repeated necessity to be overly nice a bit nauseating.
On September 04 2011 04:37 MrCon wrote: Wow Nerchio getting pwned by another creative strategy. This weekend (since code A qualifiers) have seen a resurgence of strong protoss play and builds, is it the end of the general protoss slump ?
Elaborate please on what the toss did? Not seeing the games but always interested to hear neat Toss builds since imo they've got a lot of room for awesome execution.
On September 04 2011 04:37 MrCon wrote: Wow Nerchio getting pwned by another creative strategy. This weekend (since code A qualifiers) have seen a resurgence of strong protoss play and builds, is it the end of the general protoss slump ?
Elaborate please on what the toss did? Not seeing the games but always interested to hear neat Toss builds since imo they've got a lot of room for awesome execution.
Two base 7 (?) gate warp prism, pure zealot play in nerchio's main. Nerchio was going mass ling and pretty much instantly lost his lair and tech.
On September 04 2011 04:17 MrCon wrote: Ho god. Sometimes ago Idra was bm in a funny way, now he's bm in a sad, bitter way. It's real bm now. He can't even understand why a unknown could be happy to play him, and use some special tricks to try beat him. No, he'll just insult him after winning to not having played a mAcRo GaMe. Idra, you're a sad human being.
Haha Kalin an unknown? And besides it's not like his opponents don't know how he will react to that kind of builds
blast possibly have the best group of up and coming players that you don't know about. indy won a weekly cup last week with very nice protoss play, syz and tefel are also both very good
Good to know, I'll try to keep an eye on them, especially as it's a french team =) His answer to idra's bm was good tho, that's some bonus points for Kalin.
Idra plays this game as a job, and has done so for almost 5 years, how can he not be emotional about it?
Most people dont throw about insults when something goes wrong at work ;-)
I would point to all other sports or games being played as a living, There is even alot of shit talking in chess.
Yeah - we totally see the runner up in wimbledon complaining how cheesy hitting all those aces is ;-)
Yeah, we totaly dont see boxers almost fighting in the pre match interviews ;-)
See how easy it is finding extreme examples? Now lets stop the stupid debate which cant find a sollution.
Is nerchio that desanir guy?
Edit: wow am i the only one lagging in cheezhead's stream? noone of the others are lagging :S
On September 04 2011 04:37 MrCon wrote: Wow Nerchio getting pwned by another creative strategy. This weekend (since code A qualifiers) have seen a resurgence of strong protoss play and builds, is it the end of the general protoss slump ?
Elaborate please on what the toss did? Not seeing the games but always interested to hear neat Toss builds since imo they've got a lot of room for awesome execution.
Two base 7 (?) gate warp prism, pure zealot play in nerchio's main. Nerchio was going mass ling and pretty much instantly lost his lair and tech.
On September 04 2011 04:37 MrCon wrote: Wow Nerchio getting pwned by another creative strategy. This weekend (since code A qualifiers) have seen a resurgence of strong protoss play and builds, is it the end of the general protoss slump ?
Elaborate please on what the toss did? Not seeing the games but always interested to hear neat Toss builds since imo they've got a lot of room for awesome execution.
He went for fast mass speedlots on shakuras, attacked the 3rd while sending another big zeal force to the main with a warp prism and just overwhelmed the main (no sentry to ff the ramp, perhaps I missed them). He hit a timing when nerchio was still macroing and teching without a lot of units, and as he had zealots at each hatchery nerchio couldn't stabilize, chargelots could pursue every roach that spawned.
On September 04 2011 04:37 MrCon wrote: Wow Nerchio getting pwned by another creative strategy. This weekend (since code A qualifiers) have seen a resurgence of strong protoss play and builds, is it the end of the general protoss slump ?
Elaborate please on what the toss did? Not seeing the games but always interested to hear neat Toss builds since imo they've got a lot of room for awesome execution.
Two base 7 (?) gate warp prism, pure zealot play in nerchio's main. Nerchio was going mass ling and pretty much instantly lost his lair and tech.
Wow that exact composition was how idra lost his game 2 in kalin series, although I doubt it was executed the same way.
Wow that exact composition was how idra lost his game 2 in kalin series, although I doubt it was executed the same way.
Eh not exactly. In the Idra game it started with 4 sentires to FF ramp, then a wave of zealots, then a mix of sentiry stalkers. Certainly wasn't pure zealot.
Wow that exact composition was how idra lost his game 2 in kalin series, although I doubt it was executed the same way.
Eh not exactly. In the Idra game it started with 4 sentires to FF ramp, then a wave of zealots, then a mix of sentiry stalkers. Certainly wasn't pure zealot.
There was alot of archons in the game ending push, but not with the prism play.
On September 04 2011 05:00 SMD wrote: whos orly? didnt he do well comming utta the open bracket at mlg? whered he come from
belgian zerg that's in the team ret used to be in quite a while ago. did indeed do well at raleigh. i guess he just dropped under the radar for a while, perhaps busy doing things irl
I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
That was horrible play by Orly, you can't try to make a later Spire and then also skimp on spore crawlers. I guess he didn't scout Idra's Spire in time to adapt?
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
Yeah, because NA has MLG with it's $5k first prize money - aka the most awsum kickass tournament ever!!! Nobody cares if some1 wins Assembly or SCI or sth with two times the prize money...
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
...and hey, guess what, everyone knows those two guys. I think Micket was referring to guys who only dominate online events like Nerchio and Stephano. Sure, they might be as good or even better right now than the Idras and the Rets, but until they can prove it at a lan, the general populace isn't going to notice.
For example, no one gives a shit that Ddoro and Lovecd have all beaten NesTea in online Bo3's, but Dimaga's Bo3 win against him (at a lan)? Holy shit, everyone brings up that match whenever people talk about NesTea's ZvZ.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
So much generalizing, I was hyping up nerchio before most of the EU crowd was even doing so. Also pretty ironic thing to cry ignorance when we saw waves of EU people not knowing who trimaster was, NA and EU crowds are biased towards their own hidden talent and will logically know about those smaller cup winners before anyone else will.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
For example, no one gives a shit that Ddoro and Lovecd have all beaten NesTea in online Bo3's, but Dimaga's Bo3 win against him (at a lan)? Holy shit, everyone brings up that match whenever people talk about NesTea's ZvZ.
funny you should mention dimaga's zvz, it's such a funny thing, everyone talks about his game vs nestea, but as nobody watches the european cups they don't see bly absolutely smack him up in a hive vs hive game where every base was taken on crossfire, because dimaga opted to neglect upgrades for 40 minutes. it's a mirror, it's volatile
edit - more in reference to the guy that was going *cough* dimaga when i'm on about nerchio earlier, best to get more than a 3 game sample size vs nestea imo
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
So much generalizing, I was hyping up nerchio before most of the EU crowd was even doing so. Also pretty ironic thing to cry ignorance when we saw waves of EU people not knowing who trimaster was, NA and EU crowds are biased towards their own hidden talent and will logically know about those smaller cup winners before anyone else will.
THIS. EU is better but I'll know the AM scene way better since the times work out better.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
So much generalizing, I was hyping up nerchio before most of the EU crowd was even doing so. Also pretty ironic thing to cry ignorance when we saw waves of EU people not knowing who trimaster was, NA and EU crowds are biased towards their own hidden talent and will logically know about those smaller cup winners before anyone else will.
yeah kind of agree with this. While I do agree that EU has more better players, there are NA players who can play and beat EU players and have done so many times.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
Wow you are ignorant.
A vast majority of NA server players know that EU players are better on average -__-
On September 04 2011 05:30 Entropic wrote: All this talk about EU dominating AM... who cares... both pale to KR lawl
qft
Its true though. Kr have dominated every Eu tournament they've been to just as hard as AM (ok not quite as hard). Both scenes are leagues away from Korea. Lesser known players from Iccup weekly and GSTL WTF selections impress me more than lots of the better known foreign players.
EU players have failed to convince me that a MLG with EU players instead of AM will result in anything different to what we are seeing atm.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
It actually is! People like you end up there for being lazy and a potential threat to e-Sports...
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
On September 04 2011 05:30 Entropic wrote: All this talk about EU dominating AM... who cares... both pale to KR lawl
qft
Its true though. Kr have dominated every Eu tournament they've been to just as hard as AM (ok not quite as hard). Both scenes are leagues away from Korea. Lesser known players from Iccup weekly and GSTL WTF selections impress me more than lots of the better known foreign players.
EU players have failed to convince me that a MLG with EU players instead of AM will result in anything different to what we are seeing atm.
It would be very surprising if it wasnt like this. I mean korea is the place where BW (a vedio game) manages to become the most viewed event. In foreign countried if you ask your family, hell even your friends weather they know what ESPORTS is, they would be like E-what?
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
Sorry about that. I'm a very naive guy (that's true)
On September 04 2011 05:30 Entropic wrote: All this talk about EU dominating AM... who cares... both pale to KR lawl
qft
Its true though. Kr have dominated every Eu tournament they've been to just as hard as AM (ok not quite as hard). Both scenes are leagues away from Korea. Lesser known players from Iccup weekly and GSTL WTF selections impress me more than lots of the better known foreign players.
EU players have failed to convince me that a MLG with EU players instead of AM will result in anything different to what we are seeing atm.
Assembly was pretty good for EU. (huk and Nada failed early) IEM also wasnt that bad even though it had a kor final (Killer and huk failed in group stage)
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
It's not like NA besides HuK have won anything at a LAN recently. All the recent tournaments not won by Koreans have been won by Europeans anyway. Assembly: Dimaga, IPL2: White-Ra.
True, NA players have not won anything lately either. But earlier on, when they did win, that's when they got famous. Dimaga and White-ra are very famous amongst all players, so of course my point wasn't to do with them. They have had much success before, and were already very popular before their big tournament wins.
But lesser known EU players who do well on Ladder and online cups cannot expect to become famous without turning up to lans and actually winning them. NA people cannot be expected to be knowledgable of a player who hasn't won anything.
Teamliquid is a powerfull tool, not just a forum...
You can find a lot of info here regarding almost any player, tournament you want. If NA guys don't even bother to check the TLPD once in a while, what to expect from their knowledge?
For the most part it's like: OMG herp MLG derp! - post a comment- derp... that's all basically...
Wat is err um "TLPD" is that like a police department for Teamliquid.net?
plz enlighten me for I am too busy derping ATM
Haha, when I discovered this site I thought TLPD was the main site of teamliquid. Then I discovered it was not xD I was going there because it had all vods of korean tournaments, I told to myslef "wow, this is an amazing VOD site" xD TLPD is a database with all games results, statistics, VODs of every pro-game played from the broodwar debuts up to now. edit : oops :D
Not you too MrCon, not you.........
I'll miss everyone here because I'm on my way to liquipedia prison for being an ignorant American. So long friends.
On September 04 2011 05:01 Micket wrote: I think people will notice the European players more if they actually won something at a LAN. Bomber was unknown before he appeared in GSTL but coaches were saying things like "the outcome of the match will be decided on Bomber's performance." Everyone watching was like 'wthuk', because we all assumed ST was the team Rainbow and July were on and everyone else was a scrub. Who was this Bomber kid? Bomber got his fame with the bm and failing to qualify for code A and then winning code A, beating mma, ryung and MVP.
Once a European player does that, they will be noticed. Until then, they will be ignored by most of the NA community.
lol, the AM community doesn't notice European players because they don't pay attention. European players are on another level than AM players, it's not even close. But a lot of AM players think they're super good, and so we don't hear enough about EU players until they destroy AM players at IEM or MLG or any other international LAN.
Also, this Pride vs Attero series was so funny to referee.
So much generalizing, I was hyping up nerchio before most of the EU crowd was even doing so. Also pretty ironic thing to cry ignorance when we saw waves of EU people not knowing who trimaster was, NA and EU crowds are biased towards their own hidden talent and will logically know about those smaller cup winners before anyone else will.
yeah kind of agree with this. While I do agree that EU has more better players, there are NA players who can play and beat EU players and have done so many times.
Yeah, everyone just wants to bash everyone elses scene because they like their own better. American and Europe both have talent, Europe might have more talent right now, but I think IdrA, Tyler (if he trained hard), Huk, Sheth, QXC, KiwiKaki, TT1, Cruncher and Trimaster are players who can hang with the best in any country.
Either way, comparing scenes is so hard to do especially when there isn't an even setting between all of them.
If you start with South Korean you realize that their infrastructure is why they are the best in the world right now, they grew up on Boxer and SC1 already had team houses and gaming is accepted over there. Did I mention most of the teams and players live close together where it is easy for the top players to come together in person, talk strategy over a meal and go home and play.
Europe and especially Sweden seems to be more open to gaming. Infrastructure is still lacking compared to the Koreans, but they have been getting houses set up quicker than NA and have a ton more weekly tournaments than the other scenes. I'm not the most educated on Europe scene though, so these are pretty general.
The NA scene, even though there are a ton of players and people here, has less people willing to give up working and going to college (going all-in) on Starcraft II. Our country and population is spread out thin, gaming is still considered nerdy and a waste of time to most parents here (Day9 being the big exception). No infrastructure til recently has been going up(EG house), MLG has to hit 6-8 locations a year to actually bring gaming over the entire U.S.
I just wish people would stop saying KR>EU>AM without actually looking at the reason it may or may not be that way. I do understand that we are all human, and we love to look at everything black and white without any grey areas, but that is just flawed thinking. Everything has a hint of grey.
On September 04 2011 06:29 Strike_ wrote: What happened is someone LRing
Idra had late banelings and didnt block the ramp in time with queens, nerchio kills all idras lings with banelings, lings kill all idras drones he leaves then forfeits series ;l
On September 04 2011 06:29 Strike_ wrote: What happened is someone LRing
Idra had late banelings and didnt block the ramp in time with queens, nerchio kills all idras lings with banelings, lings kill all idras drones he leaves then forfeits series ;l
EZIdrA needs to grow a pair. He lost. Big woop. Everyone looses. Grab your balls. Go into the second came, and ragequit again cause you suck. I mean, try again... ^_^
when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
I would like to congratulate Nerchio for his clutch decision making. When he run the banes into Idra's main, i was 100% sure he was going for the drones. But he was way clever than that, he realized that Idra's lings were following, so he changed direction and got all the lings at the ramp. It was a really smart move.
Idra don't deserve a tenth of the attention and the money he gets. He's the epitome of mediocrity.
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
Nerchio have been getting invites but he never attended lan tournaments.
On September 04 2011 06:40 legaton wrote: I would like to congratulate Nerchio for his clutch decision making. When he run the banes into Idra's main, i was 100% sure he was going for the drones. But he was way clever than that, he realized that Idra's lings were following, so he changed direction and got all the lings at the ramp. It was a really smart move.
Idra don't deserve a tenth of the attention and the money he gets. He's the epitome of mediocrity.
Yeah that was very good. Idra was expecting him to go for the drones too, it looked like.
On September 04 2011 06:38 syllogism wrote: Idra was in a great position to win the game after nerchio's worse opening, but once again he was lazy with scouting
It wasn't a worse opening, it was timing. Nerchio got his speed and banes about 15-30 sec before IdrA and he used that opportunity perfectly. Idra scouted badly and didn't prepare at all...
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
well nerchio is better player than idra but he isnt as "big" as idra. EG with all their videos, interviews and shit makes idra look like the best zerg out there with all that coverage. it kinda sux really when idra isnt even top5 non-kor zerg and gets invites to events only because he is more famous than nerchio. skill doesnt matter it seems
Sidenote: ZvZ is now a really important matchup; almost the new TvT. Zergs are doing well lately, and the probability of hitting other zergs near the top of events is higher than it ever was. Godly ZvZ and solid in the other two matchups makes a zerg progamer likely the best player (similarly to the godly TvT + solid otherwise terrans).
On September 04 2011 06:38 Nightrain wrote: I doubt idra officially stated his forfeit, he must have just ragequit and turn off the PC
Well, Machine and Incontrol put muscle power into Idra's hands, and now he smashes headsets and whatnot... if he hits computers too, that might be that.
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
If Nerchio as IPL2 vice-champ doesn't get invite for IPL3 (as it seems so far) that would be so absurd.
On September 04 2011 06:38 syllogism wrote: Idra was in a great position to win the game after nerchio's worse opening, but once again he was lazy with scouting
It wasn't a worse opening, it was timing. Nerchio got his speed and banes about 15-30 sec before IdrA and he used that opportunity perfectly. Idra scouted badly and didn't prepare at all...
Yes it was a worse opening because if he had bothered to move the OL and gotten a slightly earlier baneling nest + queens in position, nerchio would have been way behind. Of course this happens in zvz all the time, but nerchio didn't do anything particularly impressive to win the game; idra lost it.
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
That's why invites are always a joke in an ever evolving game like SC2 unless, it's no contest choices, like current champions(Nestea/MVP) or EXTREMELY popular players(Boxer). While Idra will guarantee eyeballs to w/e event he gets invited to, if you're event is big enough and has other big names, you don't need to invite him. He's not even the best NA zerg anymore. Basically the invites he gets at this point are just trying to guarantee drama.
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
That's why invites are always a joke in an ever evolving game like SC2 unless, it's no contest choices, like current champions(Nestea/MVP) or EXTREMELY popular players(Boxer). While Idra will guarantee eyeballs to w/e event he gets invited to, if you're event is big enough and has other big names, you don't need to invite him. He's not even the best NA zerg anymore. Basically the invites he gets at this point are just trying to guarantee drama.
Nerchio does get invites, but doesn't accept them or doesn't bother to show up. His loss
On September 04 2011 06:38 syllogism wrote: Idra was in a great position to win the game after nerchio's worse opening, but once again he was lazy with scouting
It wasn't a worse opening, it was timing. Nerchio got his speed and banes about 15-30 sec before IdrA and he used that opportunity perfectly. Idra scouted badly and didn't prepare at all...
Yes it was a worse opening because if he had bothered to move the OL and gotten a slightly earlier baneling nest + queens in position, nerchio would have been way behind. Of course this happens in zvz all the time, but nerchio didn't do anything particularly impressive to win the game; idra lost it.
I've seen so many games where the guy who goes hatch first falls behind in drone count in the first few minutes because he has no map control and has to play very safe, that I really question whether it really gives an advantage.
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
Nerchio doesn't want to go that far from home I think.
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
That's why invites are always a joke in an ever evolving game like SC2 unless, it's no contest choices, like current champions(Nestea/MVP) or EXTREMELY popular players(Boxer). While Idra will guarantee eyeballs to w/e event he gets invited to, if you're event is big enough and has other big names, you don't need to invite him. He's not even the best NA zerg anymore. Basically the invites he gets at this point are just trying to guarantee drama.
Nerchio does get invites, but doesn't accept them or doesn't bother to show up. His loss
until a couple of months previous, he was concentrating on school rather than going to lans, which is fair enough. he's since gone to the blizzcon invitational and iem cologne
edit - and the above, rotterdam mentioned that's why he didn't play the new york qualifier this week
On September 04 2011 06:37 JohnMatrix wrote: when we think taht Nerchio who seems way better right now than Idra dont get any invite to big tourneys like ipl, dreamhack and such its pretty questionable on invites choice so far
Well think of it this way. If ur a tournament admin, who would u rather invite? A player with a huge fanbase that used to be supergood and is slumping now, or a player that is still working on proving himself. Nerchio is better then Idra without a doubt, but he should prove it on LAN first before he gets the reserved/invited spots at tournaments. So should every player. Idra gets those invites because he proved himself, if he will keep slumping for much longer tournaments will stop inviting him.
On September 04 2011 06:38 syllogism wrote: Idra was in a great position to win the game after nerchio's worse opening, but once again he was lazy with scouting
It wasn't a worse opening, it was timing. Nerchio got his speed and banes about 15-30 sec before IdrA and he used that opportunity perfectly. Idra scouted badly and didn't prepare at all...
Yes it was a worse opening because if he had bothered to move the OL and gotten a slightly earlier baneling nest + queens in position, nerchio would have been way behind. Of course this happens in zvz all the time, but nerchio didn't do anything particularly impressive to win the game; idra lost it.
Well, IdrA screwed his scouting, and that for the most part lost him the game, but if he would scout it, he'd have to prepare. That means he would sacrifice some drones for more units. During the attack, Nerchio had his expo hachery half done and the drone count was almost even. IdrA gave up the aggression and Nerchio could also use his opening defensively. So no, it wasn't worse opening.
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
Giving up without trying when you are a professional player on a sponsored team seems logical?I dunno about that.
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
So instead of trying when you meet resistance you should just forfeit? Thats just a bad attitude to have
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
So instead of trying when you meet resistance you should just forfeit? Thats just a bad attitude to have
I think you should worry about your self and not other peoples attitudes online.
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
Giving up without trying when you are a professional player on a sponsored team seems logical?I
No it just seems dumb. Great player, with huge potential but with the mentality of a 5 year old
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
So instead of trying when you meet resistance you should just forfeit? Thats just a bad attitude to have
I think you should worry about your self and not other peoples attitudes online.
What sort of Idra fan looks at that and thinks that there's no problem? Don't you want him to, you know, win?
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
Giving up without trying when you are a professional player on a sponsored team seems logical?I dunno about that.
im not saying it was logical, nor am i saying it was a good idea from idra...however from a logical point of view nerchio was probably going to win that series judging by his history with ZvZ
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
So instead of trying when you meet resistance you should just forfeit? Thats just a bad attitude to have
I think you should worry about your self and not other peoples attitudes online.
Whatever you say about it, unless there was outside influences, quitting a series before it is is finished for any reason is just silly.
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
So instead of trying when you meet resistance you should just forfeit? Thats just a bad attitude to have
I think you should worry about your self and not other peoples attitudes online.
Whatever you say about it, unless there was outside influences, quitting a series before it is is finished for any reason is just silly.
Hey, there has to be a reason idra keep being invited to every tournament. Before it was for his skill, that's not true anymore so he has to make his weekly scandal so people don't forget him.
So basicly, that protoss got toyed all early game, and then he decided to throw a lot of gatewya and randomly attack blindly. And that work. -_- Comon Nerchio, you should not fall to this kind of play.
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
Giving up without trying when you are a professional player on a sponsored team seems logical?I dunno about that.
im not saying it was logical, nor am i saying it was a good idea from idra...however from a logical point of view nerchio was probably going to win that series judging by his history with ZvZ
Probably... If u go into the match with that attitude u allready lost tho. I signed up for a couple tournaments myself and had to play a few pro's including Lowely and Ddoro. Was I gonna lose? yeh ofc But I did everything I could to make it as hard as possible for them :p
On September 04 2011 06:55 philly5man wrote: Happily plays through a bracket when he knows he can win, and forfeits when he thinks he might lose. Get a grip Idra.
to be fair his opponent was nerchio and it was a ZvZ....nerchio has a history of being godly at ZvZ idra was probably going to lose the series
Giving up without trying when you are a professional player on a sponsored team seems logical?I dunno about that.
im not saying it was logical, nor am i saying it was a good idea from idra...however from a logical point of view nerchio was probably going to win that series judging by his history with ZvZ
Probably... If u go into the match with that attitude u allready lost tho. I signed up for a couple tournaments myself and had to play a few pro's including Lowely and Ddoro. Was I gonna lose? yeh ofc But I did everything I could to make it as hard as possible for them :p
im quite the same in that situation :D however idra has been known for his inability to fight something out, im sure he would be able to pull off many comebacks if he played through his games
What happened to IdrA? I came back to try to follow his progress but it's kind of hard to figure out what happened. He lost a game to Nerchio then refused to play out the series?!?
On September 04 2011 07:24 Liudo wrote: What happened to IdrA? I came back to try to follow his progress but it's kind of hard to figure out what happened. He lost a game to Nerchio then refused to play out the series?!?
On September 04 2011 07:23 sitromit wrote: Code B Korean destroying top EU player, so what's new? :p
Dont talk about Code B as it consists of purely bad players. Actually down there, its crazy with good players, and many can easily be compared with Code S (and have beaten Code S in GSTL).
On September 04 2011 07:24 Liudo wrote: What happened to IdrA? I came back to try to follow his progress but it's kind of hard to figure out what happened. He lost a game to Nerchio then refused to play out the series?!?
yup
Wow.. that seems like a new low even for IdrA. I'm almost shocked, but then again I suppose IdrA has to find new and inventive ways to be petulant and childish.
On September 04 2011 07:23 sitromit wrote: Code B Korean destroying top EU player, so what's new? :p
Dont talk about Code B as it consists of purely bad players. Actually down there, its crazy with good players, and many can easily be compared with Code S (and have beaten Code S in GSTL).
Those code B players allways feel like robots to me. They seem to have 1-2 builds per matchup that they practice 500 times per day. Just look at this Yong guy, he allined twice without any idea what Nerchio was doing.
On September 04 2011 07:23 sitromit wrote: Code B Korean destroying top EU player, so what's new? :p
Dont talk about Code B as it consists of purely bad players. Actually down there, its crazy with good players, and many can easily be compared with Code S (and have beaten Code S in GSTL).
Those code B players allways feel like robots to me. They seem to have 1-2 builds per matchup that they practice 500 times per day. Just look at this Yong guy, he allined twice without any idea what Nerchio was doing.
Idra plays too like a robot... always same build, macro game and if you cheese me I cry.
Such creative Protoss play! Go 8 gateways on 2 base mass zealot archon and hope your opponent doesn't make roaches. I think going charge lots is only good with stargate play where you can scout and maintain map control.
On September 04 2011 07:41 ZAiNs wrote: Very unimpressed with Yong, maybe he's nervous .
The timing of the hatch should have gave away that pool was on the way. Really bad choise to try and cannoncontain a zerg that goes like a build like that
On September 04 2011 07:41 ZAiNs wrote: Very unimpressed with Yong, maybe he's nervous .
Nah. More like the standard attitude against foreigners. He probably don't know who Nerchio is and thinks he is some kind of scrub and Yong goes for early all-ins to get fast wins. .
On September 04 2011 07:36 MCDayC wrote: Spanishiwa strikes again. Gasless play is really good.
It's losira style
Yeah this. It's not just LosirA, the IM zergs plays this way. Spanishiwa my ass. T_T
Yeah, Yeah, I know. But don't act like Spanishiwa wasn't what made this style well known.
Spanishiwa goes up to 40 supply and takes 4 gases at once. He defends with queens and spines to get huge drone saturation quickly. If Zerg is taking a really fast third, getting 2 gas below 30 food, then he is not doing spanishiwa style. I'm pretty sure Nestea and Losira figured out this awesome build without the help of an NA gm Zerg.
If someone made a bunch or warp gates off 2 base and attacked, we wouldn't go "MC style!!!"
that was brilliant strategy forceing fast blink with mutas so theres no robo for observer and in result you get burrow with baneling very very well thought out
Wow Nerchio is disgustingly good, really impressive stuff. The muta count never seemed to drop in that game despite quite a few dying, not sure how that worked.
And so it was said in the second letter of John (bain); Curses be unto ye who doubteth he of the Polish nationality, for he shall come unto the korean nations and he shall bring great fury down upon thee!
that was a pretty cool game. Felt nerchio should've used his zlings better and taken that 3rd rocks down, instead after scouting the whole map they seemed to just sit and do nothing.
On September 04 2011 07:53 syllogism wrote: Protoss had this but didn't scout it, pretty much
What? He scouted the spire but couldn't put pressure on because of the failed cannon rush. That rush let Nerchio get the fast 3rd for gas and prevented him from doing any early pressure. Nerchio was then able to expand a TON while keeping pressure on. The only thing he failed to scout was the burrowed banes.
On September 04 2011 07:58 sixfour wrote: lol 4v4 tl open, that's just silly
TL needs to field their very own, with Chill and Hot_Bid and ultimately troll their way to the finals with shenanigans like 3 nexus before gate etc. etc.
On September 04 2011 07:55 marttorn wrote: And so it was said in the second letter of John (bain); Curses be unto ye who doubteth he of the Polish nationality, for he shall come unto the korean nations and he shall bring great fury down upon thee!
I wonder why idra switched race from BW. With Terran he would have a non coin-flip matchup, and the target of all whine atm. He could be fine. I just don't understand. He might be a masochist.
On September 04 2011 08:04 keioh wrote: I wonder why idra switched race from BW. With Terran he would have a non coin-flip matchup, and the target of all whine atm. He could be fine. I just don't understand. He might be a masochist.
in beta 1 supply roaches were hilariously overpowered
On September 04 2011 08:04 keioh wrote: I wonder why idra switched race from BW. With Terran he would have a non coin-flip matchup, and the target of all whine atm. He could be fine. I just don't understand. He might be a masochist.
I think he said it was Artosis fault, Artosis said Zerg was OP with good APM.
On September 04 2011 08:04 keioh wrote: I wonder why idra switched race from BW. With Terran he would have a non coin-flip matchup, and the target of all whine atm. He could be fine. I just don't understand. He might be a masochist.
terran while in beta was very allin/cheese oriented which idra hated...as a result he didnt believe that macro was a choice with terran in sc2
On September 04 2011 08:04 keioh wrote: I wonder why idra switched race from BW. With Terran he would have a non coin-flip matchup, and the target of all whine atm. He could be fine. I just don't understand. He might be a masochist.
It was the result of theorycrafting together with Artosis. They decided that Zerg would theoretically be the best race, at least regarding players playing a macro style.
On September 04 2011 08:09 Benjef wrote: Wow I didn't know Banes were that strong vs Collos
One thing to keep in mind is that colossi stack on top of units. If you land the fungal and then drop your banes are hitting the colossi and everything underneath them.
On September 04 2011 08:04 keioh wrote: I wonder why idra switched race from BW. With Terran he would have a non coin-flip matchup, and the target of all whine atm. He could be fine. I just don't understand. He might be a masochist.
It was the result of theorycrafting together with Artosis. They decided that Zerg would theoretically be the best race, at least regarding players playing a macro style.
This was back when there were 1 supply 2 armor roaches. Zerg was pretty strong.
On September 04 2011 08:11 Micket wrote: Protoss players CAN play death ball style, but they gotta scout better than this. Lots of zerglings and banelings = Templar
Templar get raped by Baneling drops, even without Fungal. There's absolutely no way to get them out of the way of the blings.
On September 04 2011 08:16 MrCon wrote: Catzbiscuit is an amazing combo. TB has improved so much his sc2 knowledge. And I dunno who is observing but he is good.
Yeah TB has really improved in terms of game knowledge, great casting today!
On September 04 2011 08:16 MrCon wrote: Catzbiscuit is an amazing combo. TB has improved so much his sc2 knowledge. And I dunno who is observing but he is good.
On September 04 2011 08:16 MrCon wrote: Catzbiscuit is an amazing combo. TB has improved so much his sc2 knowledge. And I dunno who is observing but he is good.
Yeah TB has really improved in terms of game knowledge, great casting today!
On September 04 2011 08:11 Micket wrote: Protoss players CAN play death ball style, but they gotta scout better than this. Lots of zerglings and banelings = Templar
Templar get raped by Baneling drops, even without Fungal. There's absolutely no way to get them out of the way of the blings.
Regardless, you need a greater stalker backbone. Maybe I am spoiled by watching MC micro vs overlords because he always makes these engagements look so bad for Zerg.
On September 04 2011 08:16 MrCon wrote: Catzbiscuit is an amazing combo. TB has improved so much his sc2 knowledge. And I dunno who is observing but he is good.
Yeah TB has really improved in terms of game knowledge, great casting today!
the OB is always Hot_Bid
Ha, didn't know he observed the TLOpens too, he's an awesome observer, always showing us everything, never missing anything. And I say that as a very frequent observer complainer.
Just wanted to say one last thing; Yong had a great run, he played well in the finals, in my opinion he showed huge potential. Even if he made a few mistakes, his micro & unit positioning look really sharp. Unfortunately, Nerchio was just better :D
On September 04 2011 08:11 Micket wrote: Protoss players CAN play death ball style, but they gotta scout better than this. Lots of zerglings and banelings = Templar
Templar get raped by Baneling drops, even without Fungal. There's absolutely no way to get them out of the way of the blings.
Regardless, you need a greater stalker backbone. Maybe I am spoiled by watching MC micro vs overlords because he always makes these engagements look so bad for Zerg.
MC does a lot of pre-spreading if he suspects baneling drops, and he's also really good about blinking small groups of stalkers forward to snipe infestors. I don't remember him specifically rushing to Templar when suspecting Ling/Bling/Infestor though.
Yup, Yong did brilliantly, his PvP is scary good as well and he's a really smart and intelligent player, always screwing with his opponent's head. Looking forward to seeing more of him but well done to Nerchio for that.
On September 04 2011 08:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yup, Yong did brilliantly, his PvP is scary good as well and he's a really smart and intelligent player, always screwing with his opponent's head. Looking forward to seeing more of him but well done to Nerchio for that.
You and CatZ did a great job casting...will we see this duo again?
On September 04 2011 08:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yup, Yong did brilliantly, his PvP is scary good as well and he's a really smart and intelligent player, always screwing with his opponent's head. Looking forward to seeing more of him but well done to Nerchio for that.
Yeah, really good point. You noticed especially in the 5th set how cautious and extremely safe nerchio played, because of the first two games.
On September 04 2011 08:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yup, Yong did brilliantly, his PvP is scary good as well and he's a really smart and intelligent player, always screwing with his opponent's head. Looking forward to seeing more of him but well done to Nerchio for that.
You and CatZ did a great job casting...will we see this duo again?
Hope so. CatZ is awesome. It's always awkward casting over Teamspeak, talking over each other is guaranteed to happen but I think the flow was nice. Couple of awkward pauses. Casting duos are not born, they are forged in the fires of battle.
IdrA really has some problems when it comes to motivating himself for hard opponents, it seems. One thing is giving up slightly early in a game he might lose, but forfeiting after a loss? Disrespectful towards Nerchio, tbh.
GG Nerchio. Still underrated I think... should definitely get out to more LANs
mm, Im going to wait to pass judgement on IdrA. It could be rage, but I don't think he has ever just FF'd. It could be that he had an appointment or commitment- 6 hours in a bracket is a hefty time to commit.
On September 04 2011 08:22 TotalBiscuit wrote: Yup, Yong did brilliantly, his PvP is scary good as well and he's a really smart and intelligent player, always screwing with his opponent's head. Looking forward to seeing more of him but well done to Nerchio for that.
You and CatZ did a great job casting...will we see this duo again?
Hope so. CatZ is awesome. It's always awkward casting over Teamspeak, talking over each other is guaranteed to happen but I think the flow was nice. Couple of awkward pauses. Casting duos are not born, they are forged in the fires of battle.
On September 04 2011 08:41 lim1017 wrote: i thinik i heard on SotG Nerchio is the reason morrow doesnt play ZvZ right?
Idra and morrow need to form a brain trust
This is correct. Nerchio beat MorroW in the Dailymotion Cup finals in straight sets, didn't drop a game. After that MorroW decided to go T in the ZvZ matchup. Took 2 games in the SCI1 finals from Nerchio that way as well. That said, he's never admitted to doing it because of Nerchio, correlation does not equal causation.
On September 04 2011 08:41 lim1017 wrote: i thinik i heard on SotG Nerchio is the reason morrow doesnt play ZvZ right?
Idra and morrow need to form a brain trust
That's pretty much made up as far as I know, what I've heard him say is that he dislikes it due to the randomness of the match-up. That nerchio manages to be almost dominating in ZvZ should rather make morrow want to play it ^^
Morrow never admitted to switching to TvZ because of Nerchio - that's speculation. His official explanation is that he dislikes that the matchup has an element of randomness to it.
Grats to Nerchio, didn't think he would reverse the series the way he did! His play in the last 3 games was brilliant.
Idra... Heh. Imagine a tennis player who loses the first set of his match, then breaks his racket and refuses to come back for the second set. That's what Idra looks like right now.
Just want to reiterate that. We saw a European coming back from 0-2 to beat a Korean in the finals. The finals just told such an amazing story. Thanks to TotalBiscuit and CatZ for fantastic commentary as well, was a pleasure to watch and to listen to.
fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
BBBZZZZZTT Wrong.... From the first post: Tournament is played on the NA Server
He just wasted his entire afternoon getting to the semi-finals only to give up on one or two more games... Does not compute. Point is "Pro" Idra had no problem talking shit to amateur players with his run to the semi's but, once he actually faced other Pro competition he tuck tailed and ran. Just shows his character really.
Then you have Nerchio who could've easily thought he was outclassed being down 2-0 and given up with a 6 pool in the third game, like Idra probably would've done, since you know Zerg aren't meant to beat Protoss. Instead he pressed on and gained momentum for the come back. The two player's character in-game cannot be more polar opposite.
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
fyi, please read the OP. but i'll quote the essential part for you
On September 04 2011 00:04 heyoka wrote: Tournament is played on the NA Server
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
fyi, please read the OP. but i'll quote the essential part for you
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
fyi, please read the OP. but i'll quote the essential part for you
On September 04 2011 00:04 heyoka wrote: Tournament is played on the NA Server
then why isnt game in idras match history on his NA account?
They use guest accounts to prevent spoilers for semi finals and finals.
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
Maye Idra hat to play with mouse only? That would certainly be a handicap in ZvZ...
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
They use guest pass to play that's why it doesn't show up.
IdrA = way overrated + overhyped. Got 3-0ed by nerchio in ipl2 and again here - goes to show how far he's fallen since his code S days. Dun even think he's among the top 5 foreign zergs anymore - sheth, ret, sen, nerchio, dimaga and maybe even morrow and xigua all better than him.
On September 05 2011 06:12 Rinrun wrote: Thanks for the reps- but one little thing... the RO16/8 are actually just the RO32 reps. Besides that, awesome tourney.
On September 04 2011 10:49 Kelethius wrote: fyi, if you check idras match history, the match he played against nerchio didnt show up. Sounds like idra had to play vs nerchio on europe server, and lag in zvz is stupid... especially when doing baneling wars. I honestly wouldnt blame him if he was forced to play zvz in europe for a 100$ prize purse, not worth it for someone like idra.
On September 05 2011 05:07 Clazziquai10 wrote: IdrA = way overrated + overhyped. Got 3-0ed by nerchio in ipl2 and again here - goes to show how far he's fallen since his code S days. Dun even think he's among the top 5 foreign zergs anymore - sheth, ret, sen, nerchio, dimaga and maybe even morrow and xigua all better than him.
This is.... disastrous.. to say the least. I think everyone should go TB's way and never invite Idra to any other event ever again. It hurts the event if a player forfeits like that. People were pretty hyped up about Idra vs Nerchio and it ends like that because of a player's weak mind. Terrible stuff. EG should fire him already, his fame ought to end sometime soon. I hope they abandon the Idra hype and focus more on Puma. That's a much better player in every possible sense.
On September 05 2011 05:25 amazingoopah wrote: idra is an example of what happens when a player has tons of talent but not the right mental makeup to channel said talent. GJ to Nerchio.
I don't think he ever was that talented to be honest... after years of training in BW he never was but a mediocre C class player.
I don't understand about this idra is so talented but not using it. Isn't Idra known for being a practice machine i think since he stopped practicing as his usual, he is not that good anymore why doesn't people accept that. I think Idra will be as good as he was in korea.
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