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On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire. I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month  ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented. Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.
buuut its used since almost february/march lol
100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything
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On August 08 2011 18:53 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:51 aresendez88 wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? Seriously. This build has been around since the beta. It was just as powerful then but Protoss players got so used to seeing it that they figured out ways to hold it. It was never patched then it won't be patched now. Wolf's right. Toss players have to start expecting it more and scouting before they put their nexus down. If you dont put your nexus down, what are you going to do? Terran can siege below your ramp and you are done.
You're letting tanks siege below your ramp? The build is an all in. from the terran, if you're spending resources on a nexus and not on putting everything you have into defending it don't be surprised when it kills you.
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On August 08 2011 18:55 Orpheusz wrote:
The amount of misinformation about how to hold off 1-1-1 is almost worse than watching the build itself. You HAVE to go 1 gate expo or 1 gate robo expo and then go up to 4-5 gates if you want to have enough units to have a chance to hold it off, staying on 1 base will just get you contained and expanding too late will actually net you less units than you normally would when the push comes. There's also different variations you have to watch out for (raven/no raven, more banshees, no siege etc)
yepp well said TT
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Protoss should just use nydus more and stop being so greedy!
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you need dts to handle it and archons. to defend the 1-1-1 all in.
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On August 08 2011 18:53 Topdoller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:49 Giku wrote:Is there a Topic/liquipedia page for this allin? I'd like to try it some time  "Its not an Allin unless the command center is lifted and involved in the attack. That's a quote i heard from a caster a few months ago can't remember who. Sc only brung half of his SVC's so that wasnt an all in
Lol, if this doesn't qualify as an all-in then that makes me even more depressed(as a protoss player).
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On August 08 2011 18:56 Hierarch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:55 Maskedsatyr wrote:On August 08 2011 18:52 Hierarch wrote:On August 08 2011 18:49 EvilSky wrote:
Immortals are so useless in that spot, totally not worth their cost, imagine if instead of those 4? immos he actually had the equivalent in basic units, dunno if he had won but surely it would do better :/ I wonder if zealot/stalker/immortal/voidray would work? ge the zealots near the marines so they take splash also and then use your 1-2 immortals to hit tanks while 1-2 vr's and stalkers deal with the banshees? I honestly can't think of anything else that would be ready in time, gotta scout it quick though so you don't over commit on sentries. Immortals are just useless to defend this. A good terran will be scvs and marines preventing your immortals from targetting the tanks. Then maybe 2-3 voidrays and some phoenix? I feel stargate has to be the answer?
against marines... well..
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sooo game 1 or 2 when its 1/1/1?
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This might be the closest match-up in the first round.
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On August 08 2011 18:51 susySquark wrote:
Banshees just kill things too fast IMO... What if banshees did, instead of 12x2 dmg, something like 7+5 to light x2... that way stalkers might be able to do better? Or maybe a range nerf? 6 range banshees have always seemed a bit... awkward.
yeah the banshee is probably the worst problem remaining in SC2 at the moment. it's simply a ridiculous unit, primarily because it 2-shots workers, but the fact that it can kill pretty much anything doesn't help. it would go a long way to improve the SC2 metagame if banshees were significantly nerfed as in their role was completely changed.
terran already has far too many diverse openings (requiring very different counters) such that it gains a huge advantage from the fact it has so many options (a subtle point most players don't understand, and unfortunately neither does blizzard)
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On August 08 2011 18:57 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:56 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire. I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented. Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy. buuut its used since almost february/march lol 100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything Naniwa held it off against tarson!
oh, i'm sorry, 99%!
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Beyonder
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On August 08 2011 18:57 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:56 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire. I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented. Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy. buuut its used since almost february/march lol 100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything Naniwa held it off against tarson!
Tarson did the handicapped version of it. Love the guy, but that was his worst game in a while 
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On August 08 2011 18:57 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:56 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire. I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented. Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy. buuut its used since almost february/march lol 100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything Naniwa held it off against tarson!
But that's partially because Tarson forgot to research Siege Mode.
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gdi... another TvP, if i see another 1-1-1... I SWEAR... ahhh cmon macro games where are thou?!?!
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On August 08 2011 18:56 skrzmark wrote:
you need dts to handle it and archons. to defend the 1-1-1 all in.
They have scans and a tech lab starport, DT's are not the answer, maybe archons but DT's definitely not
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On August 08 2011 18:57 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:56 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire. I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented. Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy. buuut its used since almost february/march lol 100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything Naniwa held it off against tarson!
Tarson didnt get siege tech until it was too late
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Allin is OK, Terran used to have 2 Fact push in BW, but it just stop the Protoss natural expansion never to kill your opponent out right.
The way SC2 is designed, allin is just too strong and that makes the game quite terrible sometime.
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When they say that a Korean Terran's TvP is good, I cringe. ALL Korean Terran's TvP is good.
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On August 08 2011 18:57 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:56 Akhee wrote:On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire. I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented. Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy. buuut its used since almost february/march lol 100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything Naniwa held it off against tarson!
lol
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