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On August 08 2011 18:49 Leporello wrote:
That might be the deadliest all-in I've seen. Nextreme (or whatever his name is) delayed that for over a minute -- a lifetime for an all-in -- and without much micro at all, sC's army was still a wrecking ball.
Well he was down in Supply WAY TOO much 20 Supply down. It's hard to hold on nearly even Supply but when you're down that much in Supply as well you're just dead . Xtreme could've gg'ed once he saw sC moving out.
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For some time I've resisted the temptation to do this 1-1-1 build against Protoss, but the more Terran keeps winning, the more I want to try it on Ladder. Someone help me stop myself 
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On August 08 2011 18:49 woob wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:47 StyLeD wrote:
lol Terran always seems to be the ones doing the super-hard-to-hold allins...bunker rushes v Zerg, 1-1-1 allin v Protoss. what hurts the most is bunker rushing isnt even all in, its quite economical opening
And just think. There was a solid 2 rax before 10 supply build they had to nerf.
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Does Wolf really believe the answer to the 1-1-1 is to one base the Terran back? Saying that Treme didn't scout well enough was also pretty face-palm worthy. If you see a ton of marines and 2 banshees tearing up your mineral lines you know exactly what's coming.
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On August 08 2011 18:49 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:48 ckukner wrote:
Lol that build is definately imba and I play zerg.
I smell a banshee build time nerf incoming. Which will kill every other build that involves them. I doubt that's the way to go.
Yeah I don't think they would touch banshee build time since they are pretty balanced outside of this build. It seems like it's the combinations of a lot of high dps units that makes it so deadly. Something along the lines of a banshee HP nerf would seem more likely
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Banshees just kill things too fast IMO... What if banshees did, instead of 12x2 dmg, something like 7+5 to light x2... that way stalkers might be able to do better? Or maybe a range nerf? 6 range banshees have always seemed a bit... awkward.
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On August 08 2011 18:49 EvilSky wrote:
Immortals are so useless in that spot, totally not worth their cost, imagine if instead of those 4? immos he actually had the equivalent in basic units, dunno if he had won but surely it would do better :/
I wonder if zealot/stalker/immortal/voidray would work? ge the zealots near the marines so they take splash also and then use your 1-2 immortals to hit tanks while 1-2 vr's and stalkers deal with the banshees? I honestly can't think of anything else that would be ready in time, gotta scout it quick though so you don't over commit on sentries.
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On August 08 2011 18:51 Crashburn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:50 radiantshadow92 wrote:
honestly toss just needs to stop being so greedy and not take that second base haha *Fry squint* can't tell if trolling...
thats what everyone told zergs for 2 rax bunker rush
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On August 08 2011 18:49 Brainiac wrote:
Plz just don't make any statements about balance. SC is like 2 levels above that guy, Extreme scouted too late while playing to greedy and wasn't able to defend. End of story.
what evidence do you have for that? the protoss played very well in the first game despite having a major disadvantage that was a result of a build order loss.
not only that, but of course the oneoneone build is already infamous from a bunch of other examples. so...
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You can tell who doesn't actually know how a 1-1-1 all-in and the suitable responses work by looking at who's going "Toss players need to not take that expansion! So greedy! L2P!"
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Nextreme should have sent 1 or 2 immortals to flank the tanks but I am not sure if that have won the game, considering how much Sc still had left.
I really hope Wolf will stop mentioning this fast collosus build it doesnt work at all. The banshees can focus fire the collosus pretty easily and you won't have thermal lance in time so the collosus is also very vunerable to siege tanks.
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On August 08 2011 18:49 Brainiac wrote:
Plz just don't make any statements about balance. SC is like 2 levels above that guy, Extreme scouted too late while playing to greedy and wasn't able to defend. End of story.
sigh... yes he may of scouted late but... are you really going to defend this all in? really?... stop...
but i am glad i do believe sc is the better player, he didn't even need to do this op build to win.
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That buzzing sound is getting super annoying.
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If I was a P in GSL id just stargate all in every game. At least you have a chance. Oh wait, then they just switch up the build to vikings with marines and tanks and you still die
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On August 08 2011 18:49 Giku wrote:Is there a Topic/liquipedia page for this allin? I'd like to try it some time 
"Its not an Allin unless the command center is lifted and involved in the attack. That's a quote i heard from a caster a few months ago can't remember who. Sc only brung half of his SVC's so that wasnt an all in
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On August 08 2011 18:51 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? Seriously. This build has been around since the beta. It was just as powerful then but Protoss players got so used to seeing it that they figured out ways to hold it. It was never patched then it won't be patched now. Wolf's right. Toss players have to start expecting it more and scouting before they put their nexus down.
If you dont put your nexus down, what are you going to do?
Terran can siege below your ramp and you are done.
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Open mic! 
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On August 08 2011 18:51 susySquark wrote:
Banshees just kill things too fast IMO... What if banshees did, instead of 12x2 dmg, something like 7+5 to light x2... that way stalkers might be able to do better? Or maybe a range nerf? 6 range banshees have always seemed a bit... awkward.
Or maybe it's fine the way it is. Protoss deserve it for all the all ins they do to in PvT. Voidray warpin on high ground, 4gate, 6gate, proxies.
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On August 08 2011 18:51 aresendez88 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?
How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever? Seriously. This build has been around since the beta. It was just as powerful then but Protoss players got so used to seeing it that they figured out ways to hold it. It was never patched then it won't be patched now. Wolf's right. Toss players have to start expecting it more and scouting before they put their nexus down.
what ways did the protoss figure out to deal with that build back then? I'm not saying its impossible, but it seems to be quite vexing for protoss to deal with. is the solution 1 base play? I'd say that's sort of a devolution.
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