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MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
August 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2161
NASL Sound Guy? Is that you?
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
August 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2162
lol, yep we could Wolf.
Love is more fun than hate.
ThePowerHour
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States834 Posts
August 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2163
Yay, Cowboys and Aliens commercials!
...oh the sound wasn't on on purpose haha
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong748 Posts
August 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2164
On August 08 2011 18:49 Brainiac wrote:
Plz just don't make any statements about balance. SC is like 2 levels above that guy, Extreme scouted too late while playing to greedy and wasn't able to defend. End of story.


wrong, 1 gate robo FE is widely regarded as the OPTIMUM response to the 1-1-1.

and he didn't scout too late because he knew it was coming, otherwise he wouldn't have had 3 immortals by that time - no protoss suddenly rushes for 3 immortals at that 9~10min mark.
Aetherial
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia917 Posts
August 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2165
On August 08 2011 18:53 MCDayC wrote:
That buzzing sound is getting super annoying.


Yeah tell me about it...
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
August 08 2011 09:53 GMT
#2166
Classy by Wolf <3
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#2167
On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire.


I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented.

Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
August 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#2168
On August 08 2011 18:52 dragoonier wrote:
Nextreme should have sent 1 or 2 immortals to flank the tanks but I am not sure if that have won the game, considering how much Sc still had left.
I really hope Wolf will stop mentioning this fast collosus build it doesnt work at all. The banshees can focus fire the collosus pretty easily and you won't have thermal lance in time so the collosus is also very vunerable to siege tanks.


And you wont have enough stalkers to deal with the banshees.
I've got moves like Jagger
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
August 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#2169
On August 08 2011 18:51 aresendez88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


Seriously.

This build has been around since the beta. It was just as powerful then but Protoss players got so used to seeing it that they figured out ways to hold it. It was never patched then it won't be patched now.

Wolf's right. Toss players have to start expecting it more and scouting before they put their nexus down.


Hey one base toss can't stop this. try it yourself before making stupid comments. Terran get so much more minerals compared to toss. They can just mine out before attacking you with everything they have and there is nothing you can do.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
August 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#2170
On August 08 2011 18:53 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:49 Giku wrote:
Is there a Topic/liquipedia page for this allin? I'd like to try it some time



"Its not an Allin unless the command center is lifted and involved in the attack. That's a quote i heard from a caster a few months ago can't remember who. Sc only brung half of his SVC's so that wasnt an all in

joking right? bringing half your SCVs means youre only leaving enough workers to make reinforcements for the attack. if you lose half your SCVs and youre on 1 base in any situation, youre screwed.
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2171
On August 08 2011 18:53 Zealot Lord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:49 Brainiac wrote:
Plz just don't make any statements about balance. SC is like 2 levels above that guy, Extreme scouted too late while playing to greedy and wasn't able to defend. End of story.


wrong, 1 gate robo FE is widely regarded as the OPTIMUM response to the 1-1-1.

and he didn't scout too late because he knew it was coming, otherwise he wouldn't have had 3 immortals by that time - no protoss suddenly rushes for 3 immortals at that 9~10min mark.


zealotlord is completely right
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17741 Posts
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2172
On August 08 2011 18:51 susySquark wrote:
Banshees just kill things too fast IMO... What if banshees did, instead of 12x2 dmg, something like 7+5 to light x2... that way stalkers might be able to do better? Or maybe a range nerf? 6 range banshees have always seemed a bit... awkward.

A range nerf would ruin their role against tank+marine though. The dmg thing sounds better to me.
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Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2173
On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire.


I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented.

Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.


It's been around since the Beta, ThorZaIN did it like 2 or 3 times in TSL 3 finals
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2174
On August 08 2011 18:52 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:49 EvilSky wrote:
Immortals are so useless in that spot, totally not worth their cost, imagine if instead of those 4? immos he actually had the equivalent in basic units, dunno if he had won but surely it would do better :/


I wonder if zealot/stalker/immortal/voidray would work? ge the zealots near the marines so they take splash also and then use your 1-2 immortals to hit tanks while 1-2 vr's and stalkers deal with the banshees? I honestly can't think of anything else that would be ready in time, gotta scout it quick though so you don't over commit on sentries.


Immortals are just useless to defend this. A good terran will be scvs and marines preventing your immortals from targetting the tanks.
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
monkeyfetus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2175
I hope blizzard can come up with a way to balance that build without nerfing banshees.
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2176
On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire.


I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented.

Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.


I don't know... it has been here since the beta, I have no idea why it hasn't been as popular, but is has finally been used again... and consistently...
Orpheusz
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia210 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 09:56:54
August 08 2011 09:55 GMT
#2177
The amount of misinformation about how to hold off 1-1-1 is almost worse than watching the build itself. You HAVE to go 1 gate expo or 1 gate robo expo and then go up to 4-5 gates if you want to have enough units to have a chance to hold it off, staying on 1 base will just get you contained and expanding too late will actually net you less units than you normally would when the push comes. There's also different variations you have to watch out for (raven/no raven, more banshees, no siege etc)

EDIT: for the love of god don't go collo either or you won't have enough to kill banshees.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
August 08 2011 09:56 GMT
#2178
On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire.


I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented.

Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.


it might not be OP, but it is definitely very popular (up and downs anyone?), and quite strong. I guess we will wait one more month to see if any tosses can deal with it.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 08 2011 09:56 GMT
#2179
On August 08 2011 18:55 Maskedsatyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:52 Hierarch wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:49 EvilSky wrote:
Immortals are so useless in that spot, totally not worth their cost, imagine if instead of those 4? immos he actually had the equivalent in basic units, dunno if he had won but surely it would do better :/


I wonder if zealot/stalker/immortal/voidray would work? ge the zealots near the marines so they take splash also and then use your 1-2 immortals to hit tanks while 1-2 vr's and stalkers deal with the banshees? I honestly can't think of anything else that would be ready in time, gotta scout it quick though so you don't over commit on sentries.


Immortals are just useless to defend this. A good terran will be scvs and marines preventing your immortals from targetting the tanks.


Then maybe 2-3 voidrays and some phoenix? I feel stargate has to be the answer?
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 08 2011 09:56 GMT
#2180
On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire.


I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented.

Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.

Its been there for a year and Ive never seen it countered if done properly :D Its been the "Oh im behind let me do it in the second game of the bo3" build before, but now its the "LOL I NEED TO WIN THIS GAME"!

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