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brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2221
You need dts, archons, colossus with range and templar with storm to stop it.
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2222
On August 08 2011 18:59 Diderick wrote:
In ideal circumstances you would not go robo against this build, just mass chroned gates, but your forced to get a robo, because the terran player can get cloak. After that you have already invested in the robo, so you have to use it to be efficient enough to have a chance against this push.

Yep, and you wont know what they are going without the robo, because scouting is literally 0. You wont know if they expanded either if the T does it properly. So youre completely blind until very late. But even if you straight up counter it, you still lose.
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Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2223
(P)Tails vs (T)Taeja

Game One on Metalopolis
ZenViper
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)115 Posts
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2224
I heard you need to get carriers to stop the siege tanks/banshees.
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2225
I really hope this doesn't catch on too much on ladder, I've only faced it once and got crushed lol, I don't want to face it any more than that
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2226
On August 08 2011 19:00 Drazerk wrote:
(P)Tails vs (T)Taeja

Game One on Metalopolis


In the right position is Tails

While in the north is Taeja
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:02:21
August 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#2227
But that's partially because Tarson forgot to research Siege Mode.


terrans always forget siege mode. I don't get it.

Jinro forgot it against Idra. MMA forgot it against huk. Tarson against Naniwa. TheBest against Yoda. fenix against morrow.
Nada has forgotten it in 3 or 4 televized matches. qxc forgot it against Rain.

it's like forgetting ling speed
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2228
On August 08 2011 19:00 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:56 Hierarch wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:55 Maskedsatyr wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:52 Hierarch wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:49 EvilSky wrote:
Immortals are so useless in that spot, totally not worth their cost, imagine if instead of those 4? immos he actually had the equivalent in basic units, dunno if he had won but surely it would do better :/


I wonder if zealot/stalker/immortal/voidray would work? ge the zealots near the marines so they take splash also and then use your 1-2 immortals to hit tanks while 1-2 vr's and stalkers deal with the banshees? I honestly can't think of anything else that would be ready in time, gotta scout it quick though so you don't over commit on sentries.


Immortals are just useless to defend this. A good terran will be scvs and marines preventing your immortals from targetting the tanks.


Then maybe 2-3 voidrays and some phoenix? I feel stargate has to be the answer?


I like to drop a stargate and get maybe 3 phoenix out.

Lift 3 tanks.

Kill ground army.

Drop tanks when ground army has no more marines.

Clean up banshees with your hopefully at least one phoenix left.


How do you prevent your Phoenixes from being target fired down by the marine ball? Seems like this would work against a Terran that just doesn't position himself carefully enough.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2229
1-1-1 vs stargate inc?
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:02:07
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2230
On August 08 2011 19:00 Beyonder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:59 Diderick wrote:
In ideal circumstances you would not go robo against this build, just mass chroned gates, but your forced to get a robo, because the terran player can get cloak. After that you have already invested in the robo, so you have to use it to be efficient enough to have a chance against this push.

Yep, and you wont know what they are going without the robo, because scouting is literally 0. You wont know if they expanded either if the T does it properly. So youre completely blind until very late. But even if you straight up counter it, you still lose.

Or just get cloak, and it's ok lol
EDIT: nvm, i didnt read the post, sorry
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2231
Gogo Taeja, make me 6/6 baby!
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2232
On August 08 2011 19:00 Hikari wrote:
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On August 08 2011 18:55 Orpheusz wrote:
The amount of misinformation about how to hold off 1-1-1 is almost worse than watching the build itself. You HAVE to go 1 gate expo or 1 gate robo expo and then go up to 4-5 gates if you want to have enough units to have a chance to hold it off, staying on 1 base will just get you contained and expanding too late will actually net you less units than you normally would when the push comes. There's also different variations you have to watch out for (raven/no raven, more banshees, no siege etc)

EDIT: for the love of god don't go collo either or you won't have enough to kill banshees.


Going 1gate expo itself is rather dangerous vs bio rushes though. Not everyone have the balls and control of huk.


Well then they're going to have to.

I hope Taeja 1-1-1s and Tails holds it off . Just cause.
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2233
On August 08 2011 19:00 brentsen wrote:
You need dts, archons, colossus with range and templar with storm to stop it.


You will never have range or storm and dts are bad vs builds with a tech lab starport. DT's delay it but leave you severely hamstrung on units and tech, and if they get cloak you might just auto lose.
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:02:31
August 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#2234
1/1/1 coming???

i hope the toss just 4 gate and kill before the 1/1/1 hits!
vende
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation202 Posts
August 08 2011 10:02 GMT
#2235
12 gas for tails? or 13?
itsjuspeter
Profile Joined November 2010
United States668 Posts
August 08 2011 10:02 GMT
#2236
On August 08 2011 18:59 aresendez88 wrote:
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On August 08 2011 18:54 Zaurus wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:51 aresendez88 wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


Seriously.

This build has been around since the beta. It was just as powerful then but Protoss players got so used to seeing it that they figured out ways to hold it. It was never patched then it won't be patched now.

Wolf's right. Toss players have to start expecting it more and scouting before they put their nexus down.


Hey one base toss can't stop this. try it yourself before making stupid comments. Terran get so much more minerals compared to toss. They can just mine out before attacking you with everything they have and there is nothing you can do.


Just like how Protoss players were complaining that Roach/Ling was impossible to hold when the Zerg went all in on it. It's a strong all in timing attack and that's it. It is holdable, but every protoss I've ever seen lose to it at the professional level seems to be surprised when the tanks show up. At this point you'd think they should be expecting it.



The roach/ling isn't as on the same LEVEL as this all in. This terran 1/1/1 has been here since BETA, and basically requires little to no micro to execute and cannot even be held off if the protoss micros PERFECTLY, I've seen the roach/ling all in be held by perfect and i mean PERFECT forcefields back when 3g Fe was still the best option, though now protosses started to use SG and 1g Fe openings to nullify it. this build CANNOT be stopped even with perfect micro. You sound uneducated in this topic and should stop spreading this type of mentality to others because you only make me cringe when i hear people like you speak.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
August 08 2011 10:02 GMT
#2237
On August 08 2011 19:00 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 19:00 Drazerk wrote:
(P)Tails vs (T)Taeja

Game One on Metalopolis


In the right position is Tails

While in the north is Taeja


2:10

Gateway / barracks on the way as both players take their first gas
Monoamine
Profile Joined April 2011
United States153 Posts
August 08 2011 10:02 GMT
#2238
Tails goes for an 11 gate :-S
BirdKiller
Profile Joined January 2011
United States428 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-08 10:02:34
August 08 2011 10:02 GMT
#2239
"Taejan could be another form of "Daejang" which means "Boss" if pronounced in Korean
SayHello
Profile Joined December 2010
Czech Republic147 Posts
August 08 2011 10:02 GMT
#2240
On August 08 2011 18:57 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 18:56 Akhee wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:54 Ribbon wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:51 Dingobloo wrote:
On August 08 2011 18:48 illumn wrote:
Didn't Polt do a variation of this without tanks vs MC in season one?

How come this build is suddenly getting so much attention when terrans have been doing it for, well, ever?


They cut the raven allowing it come sooner, combined with the warpgate nerf and using the initial banshees to harass instead of just do nothing has made it more popular. Also just a trend thing, it worked 4-5 times in the up and down matches so now every Terran has added it to their repertoire.


I feel like it's one of those builds that'll dominate for a few weeks (I don't see a protoss winning this month ), then get figured out and kind of fall off the face of the earth, waiting to be reinvented.

Let's wait a bit before calling OP. It's strong and it's trendy.


buuut its used since almost february/march lol
100%winrate build and blizzard doesnt do anything

Naniwa held it off against tarson!


Tarson didn't have siege mode, so not.
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