EPTMLG Anaheim Day 2 RED Live Report Thread - Page 611
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Alright, its truly time to stop whining. Stop caster bashing also. Be warned. | ||
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Geophagus
67 Posts
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:03 shannn wrote: Naniwa went through Open Bracket as well. After he won a MLG he didn't needed to go back to the Open Bracket anymore. Not the same situation. Naniwa and Haypro did it in the first event of the season. The points reset from the previous season and that event was the only points you could have points accrued from at that point. By Anaheim, you have 2 events already accruing points. People who go through the brackets now have to get higher and higher as the season goes on to crack pool play from just starting. It basically makes a staggeringly increasing curve for the new player. It is smart on MLG's part to do this (it ensures there top players come to every event), but it makes it very hard to break into pool play. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:03 shannn wrote: Naniwa went through Open Bracket as well. After he won a MLG he didn't needed to go back to the Open Bracket anymore. I think the problem is players like Machine and Gretorp can go 0-5 and not win a single game and still get put back into pool play next MLG event while players like Major can get a top10 or so finish from the open bracket and have to do the open bracket again next event. This imo is a major reason why we are seeing a majority of Europeans not coming back to MLG. Unless you get a really high finish you have no chance of getting put into the pool play. | ||
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Cartel
Canada255 Posts
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King of Kings
Germany481 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:10 Cartel wrote: Can someone explain to me why Tyler is in Open bracket? Because he is a bad player? | ||
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:10 Cartel wrote: Can someone explain to me why Tyler is in Open bracket? Did he go 0-10 in pool play then get to play in open bracket too? I dont get it. The other way around. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:08 Geophagus wrote: How can you say that the open bracket is keeping better players from making it throug rh when guys like Cruncher get all the way to the championship groups? Cruncher is actually very very good, but the current state of PvZ coupled with the fact that he had to play 2* more games than the rest of his groups makes it significantly harder to pass through. I don't think Cruncher would have been 1-4 nor Tyler 0-5 if they didn't have to play that many games without a rest. But there's no doubt that Idra and Cruncher will meet again after the metagame of PvZ will shift or that Z gets nerfed, and there he might regret to have been this bad-mannerd. | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
He lost pool play invite at Columbus. So he had to go back through the Open in Anaheim. By not losing in Open, he was one of the 4 who earned a spot into the pool play. He just didn't do too well in the pool play. | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:09 Corrik wrote: Not the same situation. Naniwa and Haypro did it in the first event of the season. The points reset from the previous season and that event was the only points you could have points accrued from at that point. By Anaheim, you have 2 events already accruing points. People who go through the brackets now have to get higher and higher as the season goes on to crack pool play from just starting. It basically makes a staggeringly increasing curve for the new player. It is smart on MLG's part to do this (it ensures there top players come to every event), but it makes it very hard to break into pool play. Yeah exactly. It is very hard and it is very important for players to stay in top 16. However if you look at the established foreign scene players this MLG then you can see the system working pretty well. Tyler and Cruncher made it through the open bracket and went 0-5 and 1-4. This means that the guys that were in those groups are most likely above a level of open bracket players. There is an issue with the Koreans because every time different Koreans show up and there are probably about 200 players in Korea who can make it out of the open bracket into pool play on a good day, and then do well in pool play on top of things. However this is exactly why MLG uses this system to protect themselves. Players coming in and doing well and then not coming back is deadly for MLG's business model. They need guys to come back and prove themselves over and over again so that the fans are able to recognize the players they like. It's really not very hard to see why MLG uses this system and it puts top 16 in an enormous advantage over the rest of the field. But then again if you look at GSL you aren't even able to win a GSL in a single run. You'd have to play Code A for a month and then that still isn't enough to even participate because you would have to win up and down matches after. In the end these tournaments have a responsibility to have a good business model so that they can continue to host these events for all of us. For both GSL and MLG this business model means creating a league that rewards a consistent performance and that favors those who have been doing well before. There are downsides and upsides to this system I would just ask from all of you to judge it only when you fully understand it. | ||
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Sc2ggRise
United States607 Posts
anyway, just dropping by to say white-ra is the man, that is all. | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
(Sorry, I have no where else to ask this. "Banned" from IRC for some reason despite never going on it....) | ||
Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
edit : I mean I just log on blue or red stream and I can see everything from yesterday... | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:45 Isken wrote: Is it normal that we have access to VOD without paying? (I mean the 13h55 hours long VOD, not so practical but I don't care since I havn't paid...) edit : I mean I just log on blue or red stream and I can see everything from yesterday... That's normal while the event is running. It's for people who couldn't view it during the regularly scheduled time. | ||
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Andamanen
Netherlands915 Posts
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Isken
Korea (South)1131 Posts
 Good for europeans then :pI liked messing up my sleep schedule for friday but I won't stay up all night on saturday  | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On July 31 2011 22:10 setzer wrote: I think the problem is players like Machine and Gretorp can go 0-5 and not win a single game and still get put back into pool play next MLG event while players like Major can get a top10 or so finish from the open bracket and have to do the open bracket again next event. This imo is a major reason why we are seeing a majority of Europeans not coming back to MLG. Unless you get a really high finish you have no chance of getting put into the pool play. You realize that Major got 16th? If he had gotten top 10 then he would have been in group play since the cut off was at number 10, which is the same points HuK had (since he got 10th at 1st MLG, skipped 2nd MLG, but still got 16th seed). The system seems unforgiving, but any player that places Top 10 in the 2nd MLG typically will qualify for Top 16 in the third MLG. Edit: Not to mention that almost every European that played in the first MLG returned except the Mouz players and I thought that was a financial issue (because Thorzain had a seed after all). | ||
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leBIGcrab
France313 Posts
Yeah Nony is a bad player. Of course. Stop being so harsh and don't be an idiot. He's not at korean level but you can't call him a "bad player". Trolls are making me sick. You're a TLO fan. WIth your standards, i think you can call him a "bad player" too, no? | ||
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Pengu
England226 Posts
On July 31 2011 23:17 leBIGcrab wrote: Yeah Nony is a bad player. Of course. Stop being so harsh and don't be an idiot. He's not at korean level but you can't call him a "bad player". Trolls are making me sick. DW in the general logic of things if someone doesn't win they are a bad player, you have to win 100% of the time, also the better player should always win as fan-boys get all upset that there favourite, zerg, protoss, terran or korean didn't make it to the final. Its easy to call someone bad and its equal easy to say they got a lucky win by someone that was supporting the other guy. There is a 1000 times more factors to most games and results that X is bad even if it sometimes looks that way. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
Damn I wish I was that bad :D Playing so bad against Choya....Wish I could do that Sad to see 4 liquid guys in the same group luckily now the players are more divided over the bracket.. seems only Huk and Tyler will meet each other "soon" | ||
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