Because ghosts are actually a big investment, and are also units that are very fragile.
And infestors are free and doesn't get annihilated in one shot by everything right ?
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a5mod
France61 Posts
Because ghosts are actually a big investment, and are also units that are very fragile. And infestors are free and doesn't get annihilated in one shot by everything right ? | ||
lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:08 vnlegend wrote: Lackluster series really. Destiny seemed like a one trick pony just abusing one unit every single game. I'd be interested in seeing how Koreans approach a counter to this mass Infestor style. Infestors already do well vs marines, now they can kill vikings/armored units too, with MUCH higher dps. Why isn't Nestea using them more eh? Nestea's too busy winning hundreds of thousands of $$$ to watch Destiny stream I guess. | ||
AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:08 Dommk wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:06 AsianEcksDragon wrote: On July 28 2011 09:04 Heavenly wrote: On July 28 2011 08:58 Odal wrote: On July 28 2011 08:57 Heavenly wrote: On July 28 2011 08:55 Odal wrote: On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote: On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote: Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, and that nestea guy. Always makes zerglings and mutalisks in zvt! That's frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, because you can compare Destiny and the best player in the world! Because they're so amazing and flawless! Woosh. I'm saying just because one person has a style or uses certain units doesn't mean they are bad or simply gimmicky players. Is Losira bad because he almost always uses a ton of banelings? Is MC bad because his style relies heavily on sentries? Is huk bad because he uses a shit ton of blink stalkers? So now we are comparing Destiny to Losira and MC as well? whoosh. You act like I don't get your other point that other people use the same unit a lot too. The difference is that those players don't literally do the same strategy for every matchup and win. Stalkers are the most basic gateway unit especially versus zerg and protoss, Losira making a shit load of banelings instead of mutas often used to bite him in the ass, and MC's style doesn't rely heavily on sentries, he just tends to use them better than anyone else. Yes Destiny is a good player, it's just frustrating to watch him get overhyped because his opponents refuse to hard counter him. He can't really do any other standard style very well besides make infestors and broodlords. People say stuff like Destiny to Code A? If he stepped foot into Korea people would watch his replays and just blindly expand around the map, defend with detection, and make counter units which they completely refuse to do. + Show Spoiler + Did you ignore the fact that he massed roaches when Rain started with mech? Destiny doesn't deviate too far from his core units but he does adapt when there is a need. He massed roaches and failed ![]() Well obviously roaches are terrible units against Terran but he didn't know how long Rain was gonna stick to hellion/tanks so he would need roaches rather than lings. I don't think Destiny is as good as the real pros though. He's good enough to take games off them but he's not gonna win any major tournaments yet. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:09 Ghostfoot wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 09:02 Ghostfoot wrote: On July 28 2011 08:58 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 08:56 Bagi wrote: On July 28 2011 08:52 akalarry wrote: watching this game is like watching colossus/stalker/sentry vs roach/hydra pros should know how to adapt and learn. it's not rocket science or anything. does he REALLY think vikings can counter infestor/brood lord and can get ghosts 25 min into the game. You've been talking alot about these ghosts, how about sharing some replays/VODs where ghosts dominate? Whenever I see terrans get ghosts, they end up largely ineffective or not worth the cost. Might as well spam vikings/marines at their army and hope it breaks instead. Some terran pros I've heard say ghosts aren't really that effective of an counter, since they get easily sniped by fungals and BL fire. Also tbh I would be interested in learning ghost use. Currently I can't pull it off at all. Byun vs Zenio in GSL March on Terminus RE (not the most recent one). Byun had some good ghost play vs infestors, ultras, etc... Destiny, himself, is saying ghosts are really good right now Byun lost that match. He played well, but it didn't matter. No he didn't. GSL March. He won. Not GSL July Ohreally? wow i didnt see what you wrote :/. but yeah the most recent one fits like the same exact description except he lost so eh. Yea they were really similar games. Here's the link to the LR for March http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195186 254 people recommended the game. I believe it was the first time we saw Ghosts used in TvZ extensively. | ||
wats0n
United States509 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:01 Skydancer wrote: Destiny is really strong but he almost play every game the same way... Why do people keep saying this? He beat Bomber with mutalisks and Puzzle with ultras. Haters are gonna hate I guess but do people think you can just build one unit and beat code s Koreans? | ||
integrity
United States1014 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:11 wats0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:01 Skydancer wrote: Destiny is really strong but he almost play every game the same way... Why do people keep saying this? He beat Bomber with mutalisks and Puzzle with ultras. Haters are gonna hate I guess but do people think you can just build one unit and beat code s Koreans? are you kidding? just because you add onto ling infestor when you can afford it doesn't mean it's not the same build (usually 15 minutes into the game when destiny is just taking his 3rd on 44 drones) | ||
Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:09 halflife wrote: I have a general question to those who are always complaining about Destiny using the same build all the time, in these games for example, what should he have done? ditch infestors entirely against relativity large balls of marines/viking? which by the way worked well considering the fact that he won. How many possible combinations are there in this game for Zerg? there can't be very many Well, this puts Destiny's wins in comparison with Morrow's 5rax reapers. Without the use of mass infestors with the 1.3 patch, would Destiny have the same success in ZvT? It's not exactly like he's got Nestea's arsenal to fall back on. | ||
Like a Boss
502 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:09 Ghostfoot wrote: On July 28 2011 09:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 09:02 Ghostfoot wrote: On July 28 2011 08:58 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 08:56 Bagi wrote: On July 28 2011 08:52 akalarry wrote: watching this game is like watching colossus/stalker/sentry vs roach/hydra pros should know how to adapt and learn. it's not rocket science or anything. does he REALLY think vikings can counter infestor/brood lord and can get ghosts 25 min into the game. You've been talking alot about these ghosts, how about sharing some replays/VODs where ghosts dominate? Whenever I see terrans get ghosts, they end up largely ineffective or not worth the cost. Might as well spam vikings/marines at their army and hope it breaks instead. Some terran pros I've heard say ghosts aren't really that effective of an counter, since they get easily sniped by fungals and BL fire. Also tbh I would be interested in learning ghost use. Currently I can't pull it off at all. Byun vs Zenio in GSL March on Terminus RE (not the most recent one). Byun had some good ghost play vs infestors, ultras, etc... Destiny, himself, is saying ghosts are really good right now Byun lost that match. He played well, but it didn't matter. No he didn't. GSL March. He won. Not GSL July Ohreally? wow i didnt see what you wrote :/. but yeah the most recent one fits like the same exact description except he lost so eh. Yea they were really similar games. Here's the link to the LR for March http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195186 254 people recommended the game. I believe it was the first time we saw Ghosts used in TvZ extensively. Ah thank you, for some reason I thought it was Haypro vs Ganzi... but yea it was on Terminus and it shows how you should react to this heavy infestor style play quite well. | ||
Tweleve
United States644 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9386 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:10 a5mod wrote: Show nested quote + Because ghosts are actually a big investment, and are also units that are very fragile. And infestors are free and doesn't get annihilated in one shot by everything right ? Terran already needs tanks and medis. They dont have any barracks with tech labs on usually. Getting ghosts is much more difficult for terran than getting infestors for zerg. | ||
-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:11 wats0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:01 Skydancer wrote: Destiny is really strong but he almost play every game the same way... Why do people keep saying this? He beat Bomber with mutalisks and Puzzle with ultras. Haters are gonna hate I guess but do people think you can just build one unit and beat code s Koreans? And he beat Huk with both ultras and broodlords. On a Korean server. With lag (same as games with Puzzle). | ||
JohnMatrix
France1357 Posts
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Skydancer
Italy249 Posts
But if T still say only : Oh no Ghost they're not cost efficiant.... (and they are) infestor OP, they will lose everytime. ;-) But hey they're Terran they want to use MAX 3 unit in every MU. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:13 Vansetsu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 09:09 Ghostfoot wrote: On July 28 2011 09:08 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 09:02 Ghostfoot wrote: On July 28 2011 08:58 Shellshock1122 wrote: On July 28 2011 08:56 Bagi wrote: On July 28 2011 08:52 akalarry wrote: watching this game is like watching colossus/stalker/sentry vs roach/hydra pros should know how to adapt and learn. it's not rocket science or anything. does he REALLY think vikings can counter infestor/brood lord and can get ghosts 25 min into the game. You've been talking alot about these ghosts, how about sharing some replays/VODs where ghosts dominate? Whenever I see terrans get ghosts, they end up largely ineffective or not worth the cost. Might as well spam vikings/marines at their army and hope it breaks instead. Some terran pros I've heard say ghosts aren't really that effective of an counter, since they get easily sniped by fungals and BL fire. Also tbh I would be interested in learning ghost use. Currently I can't pull it off at all. Byun vs Zenio in GSL March on Terminus RE (not the most recent one). Byun had some good ghost play vs infestors, ultras, etc... Destiny, himself, is saying ghosts are really good right now Byun lost that match. He played well, but it didn't matter. No he didn't. GSL March. He won. Not GSL July Ohreally? wow i didnt see what you wrote :/. but yeah the most recent one fits like the same exact description except he lost so eh. Yea they were really similar games. Here's the link to the LR for March http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195186 254 people recommended the game. I believe it was the first time we saw Ghosts used in TvZ extensively. Ah thank you, for some reason I thought it was Haypro vs Ganzi... but yea it was on Terminus and it shows how you should react to this heavy infestor style play quite well. I don't know why this style really never took off in TvZ. I missed the rematch but I followed the LR. It looked like Byun might have tried it again and messed up vs Zenio. However, I never really see anyone else using ghosts. Several zerg players said they even think ghosts will be good vs them. Idra has said it, Destiny said it in the post game interview... Idk. Maybe we'll see how things develop in the future | ||
JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:13 vnlegend wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:09 halflife wrote: I have a general question to those who are always complaining about Destiny using the same build all the time, in these games for example, what should he have done? ditch infestors entirely against relativity large balls of marines/viking? which by the way worked well considering the fact that he won. How many possible combinations are there in this game for Zerg? there can't be very many Well, this puts Destiny's wins in comparison with Morrow's 5rax reapers. Without the use of mass infestors with the 1.3 patch, would Destiny have the same success in ZvT? It's not exactly like he's got Nestea's arsenal to fall back on. he wins every game with infestor broodlord. the same composition that blizzard says they have their eyes on. the same composition that morrow himself said was super difficult for terrans to deal with. | ||
VectorCereal
Canada54 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:11 wats0n wrote: Show nested quote + On July 28 2011 09:01 Skydancer wrote: Destiny is really strong but he almost play every game the same way... Why do people keep saying this? He beat Bomber with mutalisks and Puzzle with ultras. Haters are gonna hate I guess but do people think you can just build one unit and beat code s Koreans? Marines! Honestly though, people will make excuses for anything for very obscure and silly reasons. Destiny has practiced and grown into a great player and just like any great player, there will be a crowd of people boo'ing them and making excuses for every single win. | ||
ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
great and intense series, well played Rain, congrats Destiny! Very good patience/panic control there. | ||
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