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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) Fnatic Rain v ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) Destiny Showmatch Series LR Round-Up
Match 1: Metalopolis
+ Show Spoiler +8:35Sorry for the late start. Destiny opened fast pool but a bunker rush by Rain lets take control. Bunkers control the ramp at Destiny's main. Rain has his natural up and a lot of marines. Contain is strong. 10:15Spinecrawler can not reach the bunker. Lings are forced to assault it directly. Rain moves out with a lot of marines+hellions and force larva used for units instread of drones. Scan on highground lets marines snipe a Queen. Terran force marches up the ramp and takes spinecrawler to half hp. Destiny barely holds. 12:00Infestation Pit done. Medivacs out. Marine drop in main. Drones pulled. 12:50Infestation Pit barely survives. Infestors now out, 2 of them right now. Terran has 26 harvester lead. Siege tanks out now. 14:00As the Terran force moves past the highground, a huge fungal growth over a lot of marines but none die but mostly red. 15:00Hatchery done at the Zerg natural by marines still streaming in. Single tank left. Destiny ggs. Fnatic Rain 1 v 0 Destiny
Match 2: Shattered Temple
+ Show Spoiler +Fnatic Rain 1 v 0 DestinyRain spawns as Green Terran @9, Destiny spawns as Teal Zerg @6 2:452 rax from Rain, Pool first from Destiny SCV scounts Destiny, 10 drones pulled to try kill it, they fail. OC done. 4:30Queen out. 2 raxes pumping marines. Ling speed finshes. 2 more raxes placed. Factory also being made. Destiny macros up. 6:304 raxes spamming marines, walling off the nat too. Starport down now. 7:45Stim started. Double upgrades for zerg land on the way. Baneling nest almost done but marines are nearly there! Scan on the zerg nat. 9:30Lings kill gold rocks after marines retreat. Rain threatens medivac drops. 10:30Marine drop at main is repelled. Rain makes a CC at his nat. 11:45Combat Shield finishes. Siege finishes 20 sec later. Destiny double expos to his gold and the corner expo. 13:25Marine drop at corner expo forces cancel. Fungal on the retreating medivacs lets infested terrans kill them. 14:30Ling run-by kills the SCVs at the Terran corner expo. 16:10Destiny double-expos to the main+nat at 3. He masses lings and infestors. 17:20Greater Spire morphing. Both players macro up, Rain moves and kills the rocks at his gold. 18:25OL suicides to see the gold taken. 19:357 Broodlords out. 20:30Rain's Vikings are neural-ed and he lacks the anti-air to break the Broodlords. He ggs. Fnatic Rain 1 v 1 Destiny
Match 3: Dual Sight
+ Show Spoiler +Fnatic Rain 1 v 1 DestinyDestiny spawns as Red Zerg @1, Rain spawns as Green Terran @7 3:40Pool finishes, Ling speed starts immediately. Rain takes double gas, rax into fact. 4:50Reactor swapped onto Fact. Starport made. Ling scout sees reactor fact. Rax makes a tech lab. 5:30Hellions stop by a wtf XelNaga tower. Ling speed finishes. Tech lab swapped onto Starport. Cloacked Banshees on the way. 7:00No Evo or Lair from Destiny at the moment. One Banshee reaches the zerg base as cloack finishes. Evo chamber still not done. 8:40Spore Crawlers now out. Rain has a CC finishing in his base. 10:00Creep tumour sniping from the Banshees. Terran has ~30 supply advantage. 11:15Baneline Nest finishes. One Banshee dies trying to harass, Queen dies though. 12:40Rain has 40 supply lead and about double the econ. Tank sieged on low ground that can reach into the zerg main. 14:00Infestors out now. Fungal sets up medivac kill. A second tank arrives. 14:50Infestor dies without getting a fungal off. Natural is dying. Destinty ggs. Fnatic Rain 2 v 1 Destiny
Match 4: Tal'Darim Altar
+ Show Spoiler +Fnatic Rain 2 v 1 DestinyDestiny spawns as Green Zerg now (colour swap!) @11, Rain spawns as Red Terran @1 2:00Pool first at 11 from Destiny, Rax first on Rain. 4:30Hat at nat almost done. Completed Spine moves towards his nat. 5 marines and an SCV move out. 5:25Bunker placed and cancelled. 6:352 more rax from Rain. CC completes at the nat. Fact placed. 7:50Baneling Nest completes. Stim has started. Ling speed half done. Starport on the way. 9:10Mass of marines and a hellion march into the zerg nat. 6 banes complete. 10:00Hellion dies, marines retreat. Infestation Pit completes shortly afterwards. Combat Shield start. Bane speed finshes. 11:30Baneling attack on marines fail. Rain loads up drops. 14:10Sorry, had a phone call. Ghost Acad done, cloaking on the way. Tank has 1 hp, MULE called, tank dies. Rain tries a drop at the Zerg main but it gets cleared up. 16:00Massive swarm of Infested Terrans and lings clean up the hill and the Terran loses the forward position. 17:10Ghosts being made. Hive started. Another fact on the way. 17:45Rain still on 2 bases. Terran bio is 1-0, Zerg land is 2-2. Hive finishes. Spire being made. 19:00An insane amount of lings and lnfestors hovering at the 3rd Rain wants to take. 19:50A lone Infestor sneaks up to the Terran main and gets a massive fungal. 20:50Greater Spire half done. Rain's natural is massively saturated as his main is mined out and has no 3rd. 21:50Ghost cloaking on the way. Mobius is done. 2-0 Bio Terran on the way. Broods are started. 22:50Snipes used on Broods. A lot of them are sniped. A few ghosts lost needlessly. Destiny's 4th is dropped. Mass of Infested Terrans dropped on the tank line. Lings clean up. 25:00Rain loses all the SCVs at his 3rd. OC lifted there. 172 supply to 48 supply. Rain ggs. Fnatic Rain 2 v 2 Destiny
Match 5: Xel'Naga Caverns
+ Show Spoiler +Fnatic Rain 2 v 2 DestinyRain spawns as Green Terran @1, Destiny spawns as Blue Zerg @7. 2:50Rain goes Rax-Gas, Destiny with Pool opening. 4:10Rain goes Reaper-Expo. Lifts Rax and builds fact on the Tech-lab wall off. 6:00Ling Speed finishes. Second Fact now. Zerg natural almost done. 5:45OL scout denied by marines. Second fact not revealed. Blue Flame being researched. 8:40Hellions denied by Queens, Transfusion and Roaches. 9:00Rain going Goody Mech style with Hellion-Tank.Siege almost done. 10:00Tunnelling Claws on the way. Starport half done. 10:45Hellion run-by gets in and kills some drones. Another run-by in the natural by hellions. Drones melt before the hellions die. 12:00Reaper wanders around. 1-0 for Mech and Bio on the way. Roaches break the rocks to his back 3rd. Hive started. Spire started. 16:40Broods out on the field. Rain takes his gold and makes a tank+turret line.Sensor Tower dies. Vikings being scrambled. 18:40Vikings get neuraled. Destiny takes his gold. 20:00Rain tank+marine drops Destiny's 3rd. It gets cleaned up fast. 21:20Engagement at the Watchtower. Fungal all over the marines and the vikings. Ouch. Neurals another Viking and kills it. Marines kill the gold. 22:30Battle at the former Zerg gold. Vikings all die. Conc shells now being researched. Marauders being spammed. 24:30Destiny expos to 9. Both players macroing. 25:30Lings try a run-by but it fails. 26:15Fungal all over the Vikings and Rain loses a lot of his AA. Marines attack into the 3rd. 27:15Rain nearly mined out. 27:40Expo at 9 is finished and not spotted. Rain attacks into the gold. Fungal kills more Vikings. 154 to 104 supply, Zerg in the lead. 29:00Gold Hat dies. 9 o'clock expo still mining for Zerg. Still ninja unscouted. 30:109 gets scouted and the drones burrow to survive. Broodlord is sniped. Destiny has no more Broodlords. Just Infestors it seems. 31:30Rain has his back expo near his nat mining. Destiny long distance mining. Drones unburrow and run from 9 losing a few. 33:00Hatch remade at the gold. 33:30Infestors kill the SCVs at Rain's only mining base. Masses of Infested Terrans dropped over the forward Terran line. Fungal over the marines. Does Rain have any more units? 34:00It seems not. Rain ggs. Fnatic Rain 2 v 3 DestinyDestiny wins the series 3-2.
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On July 28 2011 09:02 XiVol wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:01 lunchforthesky wrote:
You have to do it at LAN's. Clearly Destiny has improved a hell of a lot, but if you don't perform at LAN's it doesn't mean anything. If he makes it through the open bracket we'll have something to talk about.
Right now though Idra, Slush, Sheth, Machine have more results than him easilly as NA Zergs. He just won a LAN a few days ago  But admittedly, it wasn't a really big event.
MLG is his big chance, he needs to make it through the Open Bracket.
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On July 28 2011 09:02 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he's an above average pro, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. You know the funny part. Destiny probably plays more per day then most Korean pros.
LOL, you are so wrong you have no idea. koreans have the most tiring practice regimes.
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On July 28 2011 08:58 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:57 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:55 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, and that nestea guy. Always makes zerglings and mutalisks in zvt! That's frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, because you can compare Destiny and the best player in the world! Because they're so amazing and flawless! Woosh. I'm saying just because one person has a style or uses certain units doesn't mean they are bad or simply gimmicky players. Is Losira bad because he almost always uses a ton of banelings? Is MC bad because his style relies heavily on sentries? Is huk bad because he uses a shit ton of blink stalkers?
So now we are comparing Destiny to Losira and MC as well? whoosh. You act like I don't get your other point that other people use the same unit a lot too. The difference is that those players don't literally do the same strategy for every matchup and win. Stalkers are the most basic gateway unit especially versus zerg and protoss, Losira making a shit load of banelings instead of mutas often used to bite him in the ass, and MC's style doesn't rely heavily on sentries, he just tends to use them better than anyone else.
Yes Destiny is a good player, it's just frustrating to watch him get overhyped because his opponents refuse to hard counter him. He can't really do any other standard style very well besides make infestors and broodlords. People say stuff like Destiny to Code A? If he stepped foot into Korea people would watch his replays and just blindly expand around the map, defend with detection, and make counter units which they completely refuse to do.
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On July 28 2011 09:02 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he's an above average pro, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. You know the funny part. Destiny probably plays more per day then most Korean pros.
I highly doubt that lmao.
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On July 28 2011 08:58 akalarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:56 Bagi wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 akalarry wrote:
watching this game is like watching colossus/stalker/sentry vs roach/hydra
pros should know how to adapt and learn. it's not rocket science or anything. does he REALLY think vikings can counter infestor/brood lord and can get ghosts 25 min into the game. You've been talking alot about these ghosts, how about sharing some replays/VODs where ghosts dominate? Whenever I see terrans get ghosts, they end up largely ineffective or not worth the cost. Might as well spam vikings/marines at their army and hope it breaks instead. Some terran pros I've heard say ghosts aren't really that effective of an counter, since they get easily sniped by fungals and BL fire. Also tbh I would be interested in learning ghost use. Currently I can't pull it off at all. even if terran gets ghosts, i still think zerg is way stronger. but how can you NOT get ghosts in that situation?????????? that's my point. not that ghosts would be op against that composition just think about it.
Because ghosts are actually a big investment, and are also units that are very fragile. One mistake and it's a ton of minerals/gas down the drain that could've been more vikings and marines instead. Ghosts just haven't proven to be worth it when you can get equally good or better results by making more vikings and spreading them out. If your marines/vikings get caught by fungal, its less of an issue since they are pretty cheap and you have the tech for them anyway.
Ghosts are just an alternative "counter" that sometimes pays off but usually doesn't. If you're gonna admit ghosts aren't the key to countering that unit comp, then you really shouldn't be rambling here about them either, at least not in that tone.
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United States4796 Posts
Destiny, what a monster. And he streams 10 hours a day. Korean pros practice around 10 hours a day. Maybe more.
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On July 28 2011 09:04 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:58 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:57 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:55 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, and that nestea guy. Always makes zerglings and mutalisks in zvt! That's frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, because you can compare Destiny and the best player in the world! Because they're so amazing and flawless! Woosh. I'm saying just because one person has a style or uses certain units doesn't mean they are bad or simply gimmicky players. Is Losira bad because he almost always uses a ton of banelings? Is MC bad because his style relies heavily on sentries? Is huk bad because he uses a shit ton of blink stalkers? So now we are comparing Destiny to Losira and MC as well? whoosh. You act like I don't get your other point that other people use the same unit a lot too. The difference is that those players don't literally do the same strategy for every matchup and win. Stalkers are the most basic gateway unit especially versus zerg and protoss, Losira making a shit load of banelings instead of mutas often used to bite him in the ass, and MC's style doesn't rely heavily on sentries, he just tends to use them better than anyone else. Yes Destiny is a good player, it's just frustrating to watch him get overhyped because his opponents refuse to hard counter him. He can't really do any other standard style very well besides make infestors and broodlords. People say stuff like Destiny to Code A? If he stepped foot into Korea people would watch his replays and just blindly expand around the map, defend with detection, and make counter units which they completely refuse to do.
And then he would find a way to counter them or play better.
It is not like there are no counters to ling/bling/muta.
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On July 28 2011 09:04 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:58 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:57 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:55 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, and that nestea guy. Always makes zerglings and mutalisks in zvt! That's frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, because you can compare Destiny and the best player in the world! Because they're so amazing and flawless! Woosh. I'm saying just because one person has a style or uses certain units doesn't mean they are bad or simply gimmicky players. Is Losira bad because he almost always uses a ton of banelings? Is MC bad because his style relies heavily on sentries? Is huk bad because he uses a shit ton of blink stalkers? So now we are comparing Destiny to Losira and MC as well? whoosh. You act like I don't get your other point that other people use the same unit a lot too. The difference is that those players don't literally do the same strategy for every matchup and win. Stalkers are the most basic gateway unit especially versus zerg and protoss, Losira making a shit load of banelings instead of mutas often used to bite him in the ass, and MC's style doesn't rely heavily on sentries, he just tends to use them better than anyone else. Yes Destiny is a good player, it's just frustrating to watch him get overhyped because his opponents refuse to hard counter him. He can't really do any other standard style very well besides make infestors and broodlords. People say stuff like Destiny to Code A? If he stepped foot into Korea people would watch his replays and just blindly expand around the map, defend with detection, and make counter units which they completely refuse to do.
+ Show Spoiler +Did you ignore the fact that he massed roaches when Rain started with mech? Destiny doesn't deviate too far from his core units but he does adapt when there is a need.
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It's great to see Destiny continually improve and beat top players.
But...Don't expect people to give him credit or respect him as a top foreigner until he starts to place top 5 in a big tournament....MLG, IGN, etc...
From what I've seen, Destiny is a great player. But I feel his games are still somewhat inconsistent with minor mistakes here and there.
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On July 28 2011 09:06 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:04 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:58 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:57 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:55 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, and that nestea guy. Always makes zerglings and mutalisks in zvt! That's frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, because you can compare Destiny and the best player in the world! Because they're so amazing and flawless! Woosh. I'm saying just because one person has a style or uses certain units doesn't mean they are bad or simply gimmicky players. Is Losira bad because he almost always uses a ton of banelings? Is MC bad because his style relies heavily on sentries? Is huk bad because he uses a shit ton of blink stalkers? So now we are comparing Destiny to Losira and MC as well? whoosh. You act like I don't get your other point that other people use the same unit a lot too. The difference is that those players don't literally do the same strategy for every matchup and win. Stalkers are the most basic gateway unit especially versus zerg and protoss, Losira making a shit load of banelings instead of mutas often used to bite him in the ass, and MC's style doesn't rely heavily on sentries, he just tends to use them better than anyone else. Yes Destiny is a good player, it's just frustrating to watch him get overhyped because his opponents refuse to hard counter him. He can't really do any other standard style very well besides make infestors and broodlords. People say stuff like Destiny to Code A? If he stepped foot into Korea people would watch his replays and just blindly expand around the map, defend with detection, and make counter units which they completely refuse to do. + Show Spoiler +Did you ignore the fact that he massed roaches when Rain started with mech? Destiny doesn't deviate too far from his core units but he does adapt when there is a need.
He massed roaches and failed Then switched back to Infestors
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On July 28 2011 09:02 r4pture wrote:
Amazingly played by Destiny. Add Rain to the list of top tier koreans Stevens beaten, and watch people continue to not give him credit.
lol Rain a top tier Korean. The guy lives in New York and is a member of Fnatic now. Take a Korean away from his Korean training and he becomes just another decent SC2 player. Destiny will be judged according to the same criterion all other pros are measured by: tournament results. When he makes a deep run in a major live tournament like MLG, then he'll be given due credit. A showmatch is just a showmatch.
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On July 28 2011 09:02 Ghostfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 28 2011 08:56 Bagi wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 akalarry wrote:
watching this game is like watching colossus/stalker/sentry vs roach/hydra
pros should know how to adapt and learn. it's not rocket science or anything. does he REALLY think vikings can counter infestor/brood lord and can get ghosts 25 min into the game. You've been talking alot about these ghosts, how about sharing some replays/VODs where ghosts dominate? Whenever I see terrans get ghosts, they end up largely ineffective or not worth the cost. Might as well spam vikings/marines at their army and hope it breaks instead. Some terran pros I've heard say ghosts aren't really that effective of an counter, since they get easily sniped by fungals and BL fire. Also tbh I would be interested in learning ghost use. Currently I can't pull it off at all. Byun vs Zenio in GSL March on Terminus RE (not the most recent one). Byun had some good ghost play vs infestors, ultras, etc... Destiny, himself, is saying ghosts are really good right now Byun lost that match. He played well, but it didn't matter.
No he didn't. GSL March. He won. Not GSL July
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Lackluster series really. Destiny seemed like a one trick pony just abusing one unit every single game. I'd be interested in seeing how Koreans approach a counter to this mass Infestor style. Infestors already do well vs marines, now they can kill vikings/armored units too, with MUCH higher dps.
Why isn't Nestea using them more eh?
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I have a general question to those who are always complaining about Destiny using the same build all the time, in these games for example, what should he have done? ditch infestors entirely against relativity large balls of marines/viking? which by the way worked well considering the fact that he won.
How many possible combinations are there in this game for Zerg? there can't be very many
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On July 28 2011 09:08 vnlegend wrote:
Lackluster series really. Destiny seemed like a one trick pony just abusing one unit every single game. I'd be interested in seeing how Koreans approach a counter to this mass Infestor style. Infestors already do well vs marines, now they can kill vikings/armored units too, with MUCH higher dps.
Why isn't Nestea using them more eh?
Because actual good players like Nestea transcends unit composition.
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On July 28 2011 09:06 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:04 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:58 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:57 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:55 Odal wrote:On July 28 2011 08:54 Heavenly wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 Xanarial wrote:
Destiny playing like a baws, as per usual. Eventually people will come to terms with the fact that he is a top class player, eventually... Lmao he's not though, he just literally makes infestors, techs to broodlords, and turtles, and beats players like Puzzle who play 14 hours a day. That's the frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, and that nestea guy. Always makes zerglings and mutalisks in zvt! That's frustrating part. People need to learn to hard counter him. Yeah, because you can compare Destiny and the best player in the world! Because they're so amazing and flawless! Woosh. I'm saying just because one person has a style or uses certain units doesn't mean they are bad or simply gimmicky players. Is Losira bad because he almost always uses a ton of banelings? Is MC bad because his style relies heavily on sentries? Is huk bad because he uses a shit ton of blink stalkers? So now we are comparing Destiny to Losira and MC as well? whoosh. You act like I don't get your other point that other people use the same unit a lot too. The difference is that those players don't literally do the same strategy for every matchup and win. Stalkers are the most basic gateway unit especially versus zerg and protoss, Losira making a shit load of banelings instead of mutas often used to bite him in the ass, and MC's style doesn't rely heavily on sentries, he just tends to use them better than anyone else. Yes Destiny is a good player, it's just frustrating to watch him get overhyped because his opponents refuse to hard counter him. He can't really do any other standard style very well besides make infestors and broodlords. People say stuff like Destiny to Code A? If he stepped foot into Korea people would watch his replays and just blindly expand around the map, defend with detection, and make counter units which they completely refuse to do. + Show Spoiler +Did you ignore the fact that he massed roaches when Rain started with mech? Destiny doesn't deviate too far from his core units but he does adapt when there is a need.
Did you ignore the fact that he used them to turtle to infestor/broodlord as fast as possible, just he made roaches this time?
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On July 28 2011 09:08 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:02 Ghostfoot wrote:On July 28 2011 08:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:On July 28 2011 08:56 Bagi wrote:On July 28 2011 08:52 akalarry wrote:
watching this game is like watching colossus/stalker/sentry vs roach/hydra
pros should know how to adapt and learn. it's not rocket science or anything. does he REALLY think vikings can counter infestor/brood lord and can get ghosts 25 min into the game. You've been talking alot about these ghosts, how about sharing some replays/VODs where ghosts dominate? Whenever I see terrans get ghosts, they end up largely ineffective or not worth the cost. Might as well spam vikings/marines at their army and hope it breaks instead. Some terran pros I've heard say ghosts aren't really that effective of an counter, since they get easily sniped by fungals and BL fire. Also tbh I would be interested in learning ghost use. Currently I can't pull it off at all. Byun vs Zenio in GSL March on Terminus RE (not the most recent one). Byun had some good ghost play vs infestors, ultras, etc... Destiny, himself, is saying ghosts are really good right now Byun lost that match. He played well, but it didn't matter. No he didn't. GSL March. He won. Not GSL July
Ohreally? wow i didnt see what you wrote :/. but yeah the most recent one fits like the same exact description except he lost so eh.
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On July 28 2011 09:02 r4pture wrote:
Amazingly played by Destiny. Add Rain to the list of top tier koreans Stevens beaten, and watch people continue to not give him credit.
It's not that really. Props on Destiny for taking out Rain. But a match played poorly on one side still takes away from the victory. I want to see a Korean pro react correctly or not cheese so hard, and watch a smart game get played out. I could care who won or lost, but it would certainly give a lot more merit to the game played, and the value of the win.
In this case guy tried to snipe instead of EMP. It was pretty dumb with the amount of infestors Destiny had, not to mention however many rounds of vikings he had to make because he didn't just get rid of there energy and take a better position when he had a superior force.
Again, Grats on the win, but for someone to say it was a great last game or complete series of games is really just a fanboy at heart, or doesn't watch nearly enough high level sc2 IMO.
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On July 28 2011 09:07 h3nG wrote:
It's great to see Destiny continually improve and beat top players.
But...Don't expect people to give him credit or respect him as a top foreigner until he starts to place top 5 in a big tournament....MLG, IGN, etc...
From what I've seen, Destiny is a great player. But I feel his games are still somewhat inconsistent with minor mistakes here and there.
That is normal for a guy that has no team to practice with. He needs to play 10h per day against top players and practice specific strategies and not against random ladder noobs.
He improved a lot while being in Root, if a more serious team would pick him up I am sure he could be one of the best zergs in NA (at least)
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