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iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#761
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
CortoMontez
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia608 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#762
On July 21 2011 18:56 ComTrav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:55 ComusLoM wrote:
Hannibal lost because he built so many vikings. It's just not going to help him. especially since he has units that decimate stalker/collosus once the hellions kill all the zealots. He can afford to spread himself way thinner with mech. MC was also either great with the feedbacks or hannibal was terrible with his ghost control.

The blue flame hellions just kill the economy instantly. This type of mech should be great against protoss better executed.


Well, I hate to say this, but Terrans make two mistakes in TvP:

1. They build too many Vikings
2. They don't build enough Vikings

So basically vikings are to terran what drones are to zerg?
"Creator was doing a really good job trying to win without storm but it was like eating spaghetti with a screwdriver." -Severian
Terrifyer
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States338 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#763
put a ring on it mc!
eat shit and die
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#764
On July 21 2011 18:56 SniXSniPe wrote:
Hannibal only had 3 Factories.


Opposed to the standard 1 floating factory TvP?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 09:58:09
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#765
On July 21 2011 18:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:53 Skyze wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:

MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.

Mechanic is so bad - __ -


Disappointed in this post Jinro, you should know that MC just knew the weakness to Mech (its immobility) and went around the other side. If Hannibal had afew tanks covering his flank, he would of held it and won that game convincingly. Or rather; if it was a map that only had ONE path to attack, theres no way MC could of broke out of there.

Everything has its strengths and weaknesses.. Mech is slow and immobile, but protoss has no chance breaking a mech contain like hannibal had, so MC had to go around or else lose when the slow push finally reached him.

Hahahahaha

Sigh.

Yeah, everything has its weaknesses and the mech weakness is big enough to make it not worth doing on 99% of maps, and if MC actually got to play people who meched regularly he would murder it so bad its not even funny.

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:55 ComusLoM wrote:
Hannibal lost because he built so many vikings. It's just not going to help him. especially since he has units that decimate stalker/collosus once the hellions kill all the zealots. He can afford to spread himself way thinner with mech. MC was also either great with the feedbacks or hannibal was terrible with his ghost control.

The blue flame hellions just kill the economy instantly. This type of mech should be great against protoss better executed.

Thats why you make cannons, because the only way to win with mech is to kill probes, sim city and cannons mean you kill none.

Hannibal SHOULD have won this game because of all the mistakes MC made, but didnt - and no he didnt play perfectly of course. There's no excuse for his 4th being an orbital, and losing all those ghosts was careless.

Still, if he had been going bio and was THIS far ahead, this come back would never happen.


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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#766
On July 21 2011 18:57 iamke55 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?


Inca is not there.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#767
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:56 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on terminus

BBBB vs MC

MC is in the north

BBBB is in the south


2:30


Pool on the way for BBBB and he has finished his gas

Core starting for MC


3:20

Speed starting for BBBB

Warp gates starting for MC and his second gas
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13011 Posts
July 21 2011 09:57 GMT
#768
On July 21 2011 18:55 AndAgain wrote:
That terran would get killed 1000x worse if he had gone with bio. Almost beating MC is testament to how good mech can be, imo.

Not at all. It's just that mech is weak TvP so koreans competitive players don't use it so MC doesn't really know how to play against it other than "zelotes / immortal do good against mech". If MC trained with Goody / PredY (he uses mech I think?) he would have crushed Hannibal
WriterMaru
ooni
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1498 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 09:58:53
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#769
Scumbag Prime Coach
Has a player with 80%+ PvT player, has a player recently beaten MC
Sends out a player in Code B and id meaning fart instead
Hi!
Skawuscha
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria110 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#770
I want a shirt with liquid-ogs logo!!!!
Corwintt
Profile Joined June 2010
Bulgaria85 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#771
Ok, guys how build that leads you to 70 supply lead is not viable? If MC had mistakes, what about the Hannibal guy? He lost everything with one battle, he could won if he kept positioning advantage and build some sensor towers. I think it is entirely players fault, not builds..
Impossible is nothing
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#772
On July 21 2011 18:56 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:50 hugedong wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:48 ComTrav wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:46 namste wrote:
Time to bring in the Polt! MC is 0-6 against Polt :p


IIRC, Polt was one of the first people to expose some holes in MC's play.

I think MC is playing a little less greedy these days, though, but Polt is still really good at TvP.

They may have a prepared sniper for MC, though.

He just did a nexus first. Seems pretty greedy to me even if that's probably the only map you can get away with it.


You can get away with nexus first on most maps actually vs T.


I'm trying to remember how many Gateways he went after Nexus. IIRC, in a game Polt crushed him he did 1-Gate expand into Robo. Econ+Tech is about as greedy as you can get.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 09:59:41
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#773
On July 21 2011 18:55 AndAgain wrote:
That terran would get killed 1000x worse if he had gone with bio. Almost beating MC is testament to how good mech can be, imo.

If the protoss doesnt know how to play vs it, yes. But give MC a crash course in what to not do vs mech and that game would have been a joke.

On July 21 2011 18:58 ComTrav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:56 Pajegetc wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:50 hugedong wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:48 ComTrav wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:46 namste wrote:
Time to bring in the Polt! MC is 0-6 against Polt :p


IIRC, Polt was one of the first people to expose some holes in MC's play.

I think MC is playing a little less greedy these days, though, but Polt is still really good at TvP.

They may have a prepared sniper for MC, though.

He just did a nexus first. Seems pretty greedy to me even if that's probably the only map you can get away with it.


You can get away with nexus first on most maps actually vs T.


I'm trying to remember how many Gateways he went after Nexus. IIRC, in a game Polt crushed him he did 1-Gate expand into Robo. Econ+Tech is about as greedy as you can get.

Nex first holds most terran aggression better than 1 gate nex, there are exceptions tho - like if you get scouted too early on smaller maps you just cant hold scv+fast concussive bunker rush, but you dont actually lose the game as long as you dont try to fight him with probes, just the nexus.... at which point you are behind, but not dead because the terran had to commit a lot of SCVs.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#774
On July 21 2011 18:57 iamke55 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?


Prime's coaching decisions have always been a bit odd.
LostBLuE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada188 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#775
Is there a good vP on prime?
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor "
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#776
On July 21 2011 18:56 frogurt wrote:
MC will need to pee after downing that pepsi.

ToD said one time, when you need to Pee before a match don't
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#777
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:56 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on terminus

BBBB vs MC

MC is in the north

BBBB is in the south


2:30


Pool on the way for BBBB and he has finished his gas

Core starting for MC


3:20

Speed starting for BBBB

Warp gates starting for MC and his second gas


4:20

Expansion on the way for BBBB
freerolll
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Belgium1056 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#778
lol this is why Huk said that He would play If it gets to that :-) MC going for the ALL-kill
Always give without remembering & always receive without forgetting.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#779
On July 21 2011 18:57 iamke55 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?


I think, no Inca today, be STC HuK who are next out if MC loses. Unless of course Optimus is out when HuK is supposed be next in
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#780
On July 21 2011 18:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:53 Skyze wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:

MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.

Mechanic is so bad - __ -


Disappointed in this post Jinro, you should know that MC just knew the weakness to Mech (its immobility) and went around the other side. If Hannibal had afew tanks covering his flank, he would of held it and won that game convincingly. Or rather; if it was a map that only had ONE path to attack, theres no way MC could of broke out of there.

Everything has its strengths and weaknesses.. Mech is slow and immobile, but protoss has no chance breaking a mech contain like hannibal had, so MC had to go around or else lose when the slow push finally reached him.

Hahahahaha

Sigh.

Yeah, everything has its weaknesses and the mech weakness is big enough to make it not worth doing on 99% of maps, and if MC actually got to play people who meched regularly he would murder it so bad its not even funny.


We'll see how the future of SC2 pans out.. but considering Thorzain did well vs MC with mech, Goody does well vs protoss with mech (despite his low apm/macro).. and didnt you beat afew protoss before with mech? Its not as strong as pure marauder, sure (what else in the game is), but its a viable strat.

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