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On July 21 2011 18:53 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 21 2011 18:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - hey, whose team are you on again?!? Hey, MC is way the better player but he didnt deserve to win that game lol Why not? He did everything right until that push in the mid. Hannibal did mistakes too. Hannibal could base traded, he have lot of armored dps with unsieged tanks and T is kinda favored in base trades with lifeoff.
Because you should not lose a game where you have far more supply / workers?
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Mech sucks vs Protoss because:
- No spider mines.
- Inmortal
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On July 21 2011 18:53 CortoMontez wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:52 CrackerBoy wrote:On July 21 2011 18:49 XiGua wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - Balance whine! Joking. I seriously think that something like spidermines needs to come back. Hellions are just not good enough, give them blueflame +10 against everything? +10 everything might be a bit much... On the plus side, it would be much less humiliating when I end up losing my nexus to hellions...
Haha, what?
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Heh, the talk about +10 to hellions remind me of using them in Bunker Wars: Choices with my friends. First we thought they'd suck, but when you upgrade them enough, they are disgustingly good.
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Real quick question tho, how much supply was Hannibal leading there?
I think the moment MC attacked, he was down like 40 probes i think they said. Terran also had like 20 to 30 food worth of vikings. MCs army might not have been as bad off as we first thought if we were only counting useful army units
And thats disregarding the instant ghost feedback and unsieged tanks
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Further:
YOU'RE AWESOME JINRO! GORILLA TERRAN FIGHTING!
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So Jinro are you out of the country or sick or what???
Why you not there???
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I really thought the terran played really good.. coming back so fast from that failed raven/medivac drop.
Hope he will play some more games soon!
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On July 21 2011 18:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:52 CrackerBoy wrote:On July 21 2011 18:49 XiGua wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - Balance whine! Joking. I seriously think that something like spidermines needs to come back. Hellions are just not good enough, give them blueflame +10 against everything? +10 everything might be a bit much... Plus 10 everything would be the funniest thing ever, hellions would murder roaches LOL
Off Topic, why u not on the team today mr Jinro? tactical? or you ill?
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On July 21 2011 18:53 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 21 2011 18:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - hey, whose team are you on again?!? Hey, MC is way the better player but he didnt deserve to win that game lol How did MC not deserve to win? You're saying yourself that Mech is terrible against Protoss, and Hannibal evidently went Mech. So, if someone does what is supposedly a terrible strategy, wouldn't it make sense that even if they get way ahead somehow, the strategy is bad enough that they lose for the exact reasons why the strategy is bad? Seems to make sense to me.
Going mech against mc makes sense as he has no fucking clue how to play vs it as shown in that game he just got lucky with 1 good counter attack and thats all it takes.
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On July 21 2011 18:54 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:53 Belha wrote:On July 21 2011 18:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 21 2011 18:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - hey, whose team are you on again?!? Hey, MC is way the better player but he didnt deserve to win that game lol Why not? He did everything right until that push in the mid. Hannibal did mistakes too. Hannibal could base traded, he have lot of armored dps with unsieged tanks and T is kinda favored in base trades with lifeoff. Because you should not lose a game where you have far more supply / workers?
Supply =/= Army capacity
Just look at Zerg.
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On July 21 2011 18:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:48 Itsmedudeman wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - hey, whose team are you on again?!? Hey, MC is way the better player but he didnt deserve to win that game lol
Thanks for posting your perspective about mech. Interesting to see firsthand why people have pretty much stopped using it against protoss in GSL.
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The intro to that song sounded a hell alot like a part from Almost Easy. Go prime!
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On July 21 2011 18:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:52 CrackerBoy wrote:On July 21 2011 18:49 XiGua wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - Balance whine! Joking. I seriously think that something like spidermines needs to come back. Hellions are just not good enough, give them blueflame +10 against everything? +10 everything might be a bit much... Plus 10 everything would be the funniest thing ever, hellions would murder roaches LOL
Jinro why aren't you sitting in the studio and cheering for MC?
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On July 21 2011 18:51 Omnipresent wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:48 EmilA wrote:On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - Jinro dropping some knowledge And he beat MC twice using mech.
So he understands it well enough to express that kind of sentiment.
Why aren't you on the bench tonight Jinro? Mixing and matching foreigners each GSTL? 
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Hannibal lost because he built so many vikings. It's just not going to help him. especially since he has units that decimate stalker/collosus once the hellions kill all the zealots. He can afford to spread himself way thinner with mech. MC was also either great with the feedbacks or hannibal was terrible with his ghost control.
The blue flame hellions just kill the economy instantly. This type of mech should be great against protoss better executed.
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On July 21 2011 18:53 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:
MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.
Mechanic is so bad - __ - Disappointed in this post Jinro, you should know that MC just knew the weakness to Mech (its immobility) and went around the other side. If Hannibal had afew tanks covering his flank, he would of held it and won that game convincingly. Or rather; if it was a map that only had ONE path to attack, theres no way MC could of broke out of there. Everything has its strengths and weaknesses.. Mech is slow and immobile, but protoss has no chance breaking a mech contain like hannibal had, so MC had to go around or else lose when the slow push finally reached him.
Hahahahaha
Sigh.
Yeah, everything has its weaknesses and the mech weakness is big enough to make it not worth doing on 99% of maps, and if MC actually got to play people who meched regularly he would murder it so bad its not even funny.
On July 21 2011 18:55 ComusLoM wrote:
Hannibal lost because he built so many vikings. It's just not going to help him. especially since he has units that decimate stalker/collosus once the hellions kill all the zealots. He can afford to spread himself way thinner with mech. MC was also either great with the feedbacks or hannibal was terrible with his ghost control.
The blue flame hellions just kill the economy instantly. This type of mech should be great against protoss better executed.
Thats why you make cannons, because the only way to win with mech is to kill probes, sim city and cannons mean you kill none.
Hannibal SHOULD have won this game because of all the mistakes MC made, but didnt - and no he didnt play perfectly of course. There's no excuse for his 4th being an orbital, and losing all those ghosts was careless.
Still, if he had been going bio and was THIS far ahead, this come back would never happen.
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Please Wolftrap, tell us the map as soon as the player is selected like artosis does so I don't have to wait the break to update op.
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That terran would get killed 1000x worse if he had gone with bio. Almost beating MC is testament to how good mech can be, imo.
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