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ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#801
On July 21 2011 18:58 Asha` wrote:
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On July 21 2011 18:57 iamke55 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?


Prime's coaching decisions have always been a bit odd.


Yeah, they've never played the format well. And MarineKing, though I'm a giant fan, has always underperformed in the Team League. Prime has some good players, they just don't do well in the GSTL.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#802
On July 21 2011 18:58 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:57 iamke55 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?


This is Prime we're talking about.

Four GSTL seasons. 0 victories. They know how to lose with a great line-up better than any other team.


Seriously. If I was Prime, I'd send out (not in any particular order) Polt, MKP, HongUn (assuming no wrist injury), and whoever else is the strongest at the time. No fucking around. But maybe there's something about the lesser known Prime players that we're not really aware of..
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#803
On July 21 2011 18:58 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:57 iamke55 wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to use Polt and save their Zerg player for Inca?


Prime's coaching decisions have always been a bit odd.


Prime's coach seems good. Prime's Team League Strategies always seem a little suspect.
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#804
On July 21 2011 18:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
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On July 21 2011 18:55 AndAgain wrote:
That terran would get killed 1000x worse if he had gone with bio. Almost beating MC is testament to how good mech can be, imo.

If the protoss doesnt know how to play vs it, yes. But give MC a crash course in what to not do vs mech and that game would have been a joke.

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On July 21 2011 18:58 ComTrav wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:56 Pajegetc wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:50 hugedong wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:48 ComTrav wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:46 namste wrote:
Time to bring in the Polt! MC is 0-6 against Polt :p


IIRC, Polt was one of the first people to expose some holes in MC's play.

I think MC is playing a little less greedy these days, though, but Polt is still really good at TvP.

They may have a prepared sniper for MC, though.

He just did a nexus first. Seems pretty greedy to me even if that's probably the only map you can get away with it.


You can get away with nexus first on most maps actually vs T.


I'm trying to remember how many Gateways he went after Nexus. IIRC, in a game Polt crushed him he did 1-Gate expand into Robo. Econ+Tech is about as greedy as you can get.

Nex first holds most terran aggression better than 1 gate nex, there are exceptions tho - like if you get scouted too early on smaller maps you just cant hold scv+fast concussive bunker rush, but you dont actually lose the game as long as you dont try to fight him with probes, just the nexus.... at which point you are behind, but not dead because the terran had to commit a lot of SCVs.

good idea, do that for him please, so we don't have to see him almost lose again
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#805
On July 21 2011 18:59 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:59 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:56 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on terminus

BBBB vs MC

MC is in the north

BBBB is in the south


2:30

Pool on the way for BBBB and he has finished his gas

Core starting for MC


3:20

Speed starting for BBBB

Warp gates starting for MC and his second gas


4:20

Expansion on the way for BBBB


5:40

Expansion on the way for MC with additional gateways


6:30

Stargate for MC

Third base for BBBB as his evo finishes


7:10

Ranged +1 on the way for BBBB

MC getting a void ray
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#806
On July 21 2011 18:59 untilMay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?

Polt WAS 100% vs. Protoss in the GSL Super Tourny (atleast i think my facts are straight T_T)

Didn't he beat only HuK and then only terrans?
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#807
Chill guys, whether mech sucks is your own opinion. Although it's nice to discuss such things, this is the LR and arguing is kinda pointless.
Carrier has arrived.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#808
On July 21 2011 18:59 untilMay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?

Polt WAS 100% vs. Protoss in the GSL Super Tourny (atleast i think my facts are straight T_T)


He's only lost once to Toss in the GSL/GSTL. That was in a game where he didn't have detection against DT's, but he almost won in a 99.9% impossible winning position. He should be sent out next if BongBong loses. Save MarineKing for last.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#809
On July 21 2011 18:59 EmilA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?


1. Polt
2. MKP


3. HongUn

honestly, they should have sent out one of these three.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 21 2011 10:00 GMT
#810
Is HuK on the bench?
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#811
On July 21 2011 19:00 FinnGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:59 untilMay wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?

Polt WAS 100% vs. Protoss in the GSL Super Tourny (atleast i think my facts are straight T_T)

Didn't he beat only HuK and then only terrans?


Nope. He also 3-0'd Alicia.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#812
On July 21 2011 19:00 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:59 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:59 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:58 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:57 Drazerk wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:56 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two on terminus

BBBB vs MC

MC is in the north

BBBB is in the south


2:30

Pool on the way for BBBB and he has finished his gas

Core starting for MC


3:20

Speed starting for BBBB

Warp gates starting for MC and his second gas


4:20

Expansion on the way for BBBB


5:40

Expansion on the way for MC with additional gateways


6:30

Stargate for MC

Third base for BBBB as his evo finishes


7:10

Ranged +1 on the way for BBBB

MC getting a void ray


8:10

Lair and spores for BBBB

MC making phoenixes
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#813
On July 21 2011 19:00 FinnGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:59 untilMay wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?

Polt WAS 100% vs. Protoss in the GSL Super Tourny (atleast i think my facts are straight T_T)

Didn't he beat only HuK and then only terrans?

Alicia 2-0 and one more good protoss I remember
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#814
On July 21 2011 19:00 FinnGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:59 untilMay wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?

Polt WAS 100% vs. Protoss in the GSL Super Tourny (atleast i think my facts are straight T_T)

Didn't he beat only HuK and then only terrans?


He 2-0'ed Huk and 3-0'ed Alicia.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
BIGSTEVE808
Profile Joined April 2011
United States225 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#815
BboongBboong has a build prepared for MC looks like.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#816
On July 21 2011 18:58 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:58 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:55 AndAgain wrote:
That terran would get killed 1000x worse if he had gone with bio. Almost beating MC is testament to how good mech can be, imo.

If the protoss doesnt know how to play vs it, yes. But give MC a crash course in what to not do vs mech and that game would have been a joke.


I find it kind of funny that MC at this point still isn't properly educated on how to handle mech play

Finding a terran player other than me who is stupid enough to try to mech on the Korean ladder is hard.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:02:00
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#817
well MC is a beast, not like OGS to use their ace in first game, boviously no messing after in previous leagues and games losing when a opponent goes on a roll!!!
Live and Let Die!
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#818
On July 21 2011 19:00 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:57 XiGua wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:56 ComTrav wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:55 ComusLoM wrote:
Hannibal lost because he built so many vikings. It's just not going to help him. especially since he has units that decimate stalker/collosus once the hellions kill all the zealots. He can afford to spread himself way thinner with mech. MC was also either great with the feedbacks or hannibal was terrible with his ghost control.

The blue flame hellions just kill the economy instantly. This type of mech should be great against protoss better executed.


Well, I hate to say this, but Terrans make two mistakes in TvP:

1. They build too many Vikings
2. They don't build enough Vikings

Same for each race I guess,

Zerg:
1. You build too many drones
2. You don't build enough drones

Protoss:
1. eh, I actually don't know... Scratch that.


Zealots versus stalkers, stalkers versus sentries. Immortals or two stalkers. You were right, every race has choices.


Colossi are a big one. Overmaking colossi can really hurt a toss.
aka ilovesharkpeople
Loire
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore1358 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#819
On July 21 2011 19:00 FinnGamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:59 untilMay wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:58 LostBLuE wrote:
Is there a good vP on prime?

Polt WAS 100% vs. Protoss in the GSL Super Tourny (atleast i think my facts are straight T_T)

Didn't he beat only HuK and then only terrans?


I think he beat alicia 3-0 too
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
July 21 2011 10:01 GMT
#820
On July 21 2011 18:58 Skyze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 18:55 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:53 Skyze wrote:
On July 21 2011 18:47 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
And we see why mech sucks:

MC does every single thing you can do wrong vs mech, then decides "fuck it, lets just counter attack" and mechanic shrivels over and dies. Seriously - he didnt expand, he didnt build cannons, he just a moved away a million units for nothing but still wins.

Mechanic is so bad - __ -


Disappointed in this post Jinro, you should know that MC just knew the weakness to Mech (its immobility) and went around the other side. If Hannibal had afew tanks covering his flank, he would of held it and won that game convincingly. Or rather; if it was a map that only had ONE path to attack, theres no way MC could of broke out of there.

Everything has its strengths and weaknesses.. Mech is slow and immobile, but protoss has no chance breaking a mech contain like hannibal had, so MC had to go around or else lose when the slow push finally reached him.

Hahahahaha

Sigh.

Yeah, everything has its weaknesses and the mech weakness is big enough to make it not worth doing on 99% of maps, and if MC actually got to play people who meched regularly he would murder it so bad its not even funny.


We'll see how the future of SC2 pans out.. but considering Thorzain did well vs MC with mech, Goody does well vs protoss with mech (despite his low apm/macro).. and didnt you beat afew protoss before with mech? Its not as strong as pure marauder, sure (what else in the game is), but its a viable strat.



Thorzain was succesful with his thor oriented build. Five days after, thors were nerfed to the ground and never seen since in TvP. Forever Bio, nothing else works on a regular basis. Goody is not on par with anyone in this tournament.
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