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On July 22 2011 11:23 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:50 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 22 2011 06:43 pHaRSiDE wrote:If the tournament is clean cool, but I think you could run into some problems having the finals 1 year away. Maybe find a way to shorten the tournament just a little bit. On July 22 2011 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2011 05:44 5ukkub wrote:
IMO this smells like some kind of scam...
Those giant dragons on the main site are supposed to be mutalisks? lol Its obviously not a scam if they got sponsored on teamliquid man. This is an amazing thing even if there is a $20 entrance fee Now that its mentioned lets move on. Put it in the OP is a good recommendation tho. To get a sponsored thread it just cost money, you don't have to be legit. You are not screened or something. Correct, a Sponsored Thread is more a paid advertisement on TL rather than a relationship between TL and the company or product advertised. On some level we do review the Sponsored Threads put up, but it's nowhere near the process of an official event or team or site sponsor (like TeamSpeak). Please do not take this to mean TL thinks this tournament is not legitimate, because obviously we wouldn't allow this thread if we thought that it was a scam. We have as much information as the public sees right now. Hot_Bid, please do some basic research. This tournament is definitely a scam. They also tried it under a different name a few months ago ( http://www.thegamingworldseries.com ) and also a year ago with the same name, and both times, all the signup money went missing and nothing was ever mentioned again. Owner of the website is a night club owner in Vegas. This is most definitely a scam.
Detective G2Wolf is on the case! Those websites O_O
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all that dang math for nothing
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Scammed into doing math, is there no end to their treachery?
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It's a shame. I love the concept.
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Wow, if this is indeed a scam, this thread needs to be removed asap.. I really hope no one has wasted their money on this already. The horrible disconnect map pool and the retarded tournament dates sure did give it away. Should you win the first tournament you would be waiting 7 months for the finals.... 7 MONTHS!
And to the owner of this mess, why in the hell is it necessary to scam people out of their money in this game? I guess the growing of esports comes with good, and also the bad like scam artist such as this guy.
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wtf it have the logo "in association with blizzard entertainment". if this is a scam i hope blizzard sue them.
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On July 22 2011 12:13 Jaw wrote:
wtf it have the logo "in association with blizzard entertainment". if this is a scam i hope blizzard sue them.
They had the logo on their other site, and Blizzard had no idea who they were.
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Its definitely now time to start screening who gets sponsored threads, this stuff is damaging.
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On July 22 2011 11:38 Mairu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:23 G2Wolf wrote:On July 22 2011 06:50 Hot_Bid wrote:On July 22 2011 06:43 pHaRSiDE wrote:If the tournament is clean cool, but I think you could run into some problems having the finals 1 year away. Maybe find a way to shorten the tournament just a little bit. On July 22 2011 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2011 05:44 5ukkub wrote:
IMO this smells like some kind of scam...
Those giant dragons on the main site are supposed to be mutalisks? lol Its obviously not a scam if they got sponsored on teamliquid man. This is an amazing thing even if there is a $20 entrance fee Now that its mentioned lets move on. Put it in the OP is a good recommendation tho. To get a sponsored thread it just cost money, you don't have to be legit. You are not screened or something. Correct, a Sponsored Thread is more a paid advertisement on TL rather than a relationship between TL and the company or product advertised. On some level we do review the Sponsored Threads put up, but it's nowhere near the process of an official event or team or site sponsor (like TeamSpeak). Please do not take this to mean TL thinks this tournament is not legitimate, because obviously we wouldn't allow this thread if we thought that it was a scam. We have as much information as the public sees right now. Hot_Bid, please do some basic research. This tournament is definitely a scam. They also tried it under a different name a few months ago ( http://www.thegamingworldseries.com ) and also a year ago with the same name, and both times, all the signup money went missing and nothing was ever mentioned again. Owner of the website is a night club owner in Vegas. This is most definitely a scam. Detective G2Wolf is on the case! Those websites O_O
WOW!!! It is indeed a scam!!!
TL should IP ban the one who created this thread!
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On July 22 2011 12:24 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Its definitely now time to start screening who gets sponsored threads, this stuff is damaging.
Agreed, even if they have no formal partnership with TL.net, it certainly appears that TL endorses each sponsored thread, and some kind of screening is needed. What's stopping me form buying a sponsored thread with the exact same details and my own website.
There has even been some proof provided in this thread, yet it remains open.
Does not look good on the website. Maybe it's time to rethink the advertising policy or something.
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On July 22 2011 10:10 tQArchaic wrote:
i think probably my math is wrong but for me i look at this and scratch my head it seems the company is making an incredible amount of money and not paying out very much
i wanted to figure out how many people were needed for 6 rounds of this and how much was given away compared to how much was put in at the start to get those 6 rounds somewhere my numbers are funky so im not sure if its 100 percent right
(r = round, p = profit for nese)
r1 20x4=80 profit -20 payout r1=60 $ profit per group in round of 1
4 players are needed
r2 60(p for group) x 4= 240 - 40(payout for winner) r2=200
16 players are needed
r3 200(p for group) x 4=800 - 80(payout for winner) r3=720
64 players are needed
r4 720(p for each group) x 4= 2880 -160(") r4=2720
256 players are needed
r5 2720(") x 4= 10880 -320(") r5=10560
1024 players are needed
r6 10560(") x 4= 42240 -640(") r6= 41600
4096 players are needed
r6 4096 x 20 = 81920 - 41600(profit) = 40320 given away to players
r5 1024 x 20 = 20480 - 10560(profit) = 9920 given away to players
so according to my math (trust me im not very confident im doing this right) at r6 they are raking in 41600 pure profit while giving away slightly less
obviously i doubt they will get half that many participants which i dont know what it means, as there doesnt seem to be much information
i would warn not to play this tournament as more then half of the money payed is actually not going back to the players. I dont know if this is a scam but it seems definately created to make alot of money off of the players
some one tell me im way off my rocker they seem to be pocketing alot of money and managing to pay out very little comparitive
Your math doesn't really make sense. It's pretty simple the way I'm reading it.
A basic example of a 128 person tourney:
payin to participate, minus payouts for each round
(128 x 20) - (64 x 20) - (32 x 40) - (16 x 80) - (8 x 160) - (4 x 320) - (2 x 640) - 1280 = $ -6400
net contribution of $6400 from them towards the prize pool.
If this is really sanctioned by Blizzard it'd be cool if they could acknowledge it. It seems like a decent idea. It being an open tourney, but requiring an entry fee to keep it to serious players only.
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On July 22 2011 12:28 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 10:10 tQArchaic wrote:
i think probably my math is wrong but for me i look at this and scratch my head it seems the company is making an incredible amount of money and not paying out very much
i wanted to figure out how many people were needed for 6 rounds of this and how much was given away compared to how much was put in at the start to get those 6 rounds somewhere my numbers are funky so im not sure if its 100 percent right
(r = round, p = profit for nese)
r1 20x4=80 profit -20 payout r1=60 $ profit per group in round of 1
4 players are needed
r2 60(p for group) x 4= 240 - 40(payout for winner) r2=200
16 players are needed
r3 200(p for group) x 4=800 - 80(payout for winner) r3=720
64 players are needed
r4 720(p for each group) x 4= 2880 -160(") r4=2720
256 players are needed
r5 2720(") x 4= 10880 -320(") r5=10560
1024 players are needed
r6 10560(") x 4= 42240 -640(") r6= 41600
4096 players are needed
r6 4096 x 20 = 81920 - 41600(profit) = 40320 given away to players
r5 1024 x 20 = 20480 - 10560(profit) = 9920 given away to players
so according to my math (trust me im not very confident im doing this right) at r6 they are raking in 41600 pure profit while giving away slightly less
obviously i doubt they will get half that many participants which i dont know what it means, as there doesnt seem to be much information
i would warn not to play this tournament as more then half of the money payed is actually not going back to the players. I dont know if this is a scam but it seems definately created to make alot of money off of the players
some one tell me im way off my rocker they seem to be pocketing alot of money and managing to pay out very little comparitive
Your math doesn't really make sense. It's pretty simple the way I'm reading it. A basic example of a 128 person tourney: (payin) round 2 rnd 3 rnd4 rnd5 rn6 rnd7 rnd8 (128 x 20) - (64 x 20) - (32 x 40) - (16 x 80) - (8 x 160) - (4 x 320) - (2 x 640) - 1280 = $ -6400 net contribution of $6400 from them towards the prize pool. You obviously didn't read the crazy format they're (not really) doing.
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Braavos36402 Posts
We have refunded their Sponsored Thread payment money and moved this to SC2 Tournaments to give the organization a chance to respond.
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It is incredible how extensive some of your research actually is. Please let me put all your minds to rest. As I said earlier we have been working on this project for over 17 months now. We have been changing and adapting our event based on public feedback and have NEVER started a registration EVER until this actual pre-launch. Our previous formats received great feedback and we elected to take our time with this event and work diligently towards providing the best possible environment. The Gaming World Series was the previous name of this exact same event and we are the same exact owners. We did not scam anyone nor did we do any formal announcements. Unfortunately with our format there are multiple levels of legal parameters in which we must fall within. This caused us to re-vamp our event slightly on two different occasions. Along with that information and the feedback received from players we felt it was best to re-design everything and start fresh. We did not take anyone's money nor did we ever feature an event, it was simply as splash page web site that was available and that is all. We will be featuring formal announcements throughout Blizzard's StarCraft 2 web sites and forums on August 1st. This event is not a scam, but being involved in the gaming community as long as we have we can certainly appreciate your positions. The simple fact of the matter is that we elected to spend all our money on the prize pools for the people instead of paying big names to join our team. We chose the people as Our major focus assuming if we could put together the best possible event it would not matter if we had big names involved. We will continue to work through this approval process as we do understand everyone's feelings. We will also work towards getting some professional figures involved with the tournament to create more legitimacy amongst the public. Unfortunately, a lot of pro figures are not willing to attach themselves to new events unless they have already proven themselves successful. We will continue to work towards this goal regardless. I also would like to apologize for any confusion that we have caused in our representation thus far. We are a new organization in terms of dealing directly with the gaming community and we are hoping to have everyone's support. We will always work on our production so long as we continue to have your support and feedback. It is not our goal in any way, shape or form to create any hostility or bad feelings with ANY member of the community. We are willing to engage in 1 on 1 conversations with anyone who is looking to have their voice heard. We will also continue to improve everything we have to offer and by August 1st the full NeSE site will be available. Which includes several interactive features like the User Profiles and Bracket System. Please allow me to formally apologize on behalf of the NeSE in not putting out a more flawless representation of ourselves. A lot of time and thought went into all of this and we were sure we had all of our angles covered. Clearly you have all pointed out some things we should have taken a better look at and I promise we will do so. We really encourage feedback we just wish your approach was slightly less hostile as we have already received very negative private messages here. We are really here to improve eSports in the United States as best as we possibly can and we are certainly here to stay. Team Liquid absolutely went through an extensive due diligence process before accepting our sponsored thread for posting. You will also see formal recognition on Blizzard's behalf in our announcements throughout their pages on August 1st. Thank you all for your feedback and we look forward to continuously providing as many events as possible. We are sponsoring a tournament with ItsGoSu eSports that will be taking place August 3rd and 4th and more in the future. If there is anything we can personally do to ensue personally reassurance, please feel free to post here or email us at eSports@ne-se.com
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Canada1637 Posts
I read what you wrote, but I really would advocate going back and adding in some space to create paragraphs if you want a decent amount of people to read it.
Regardless, seems pretty legit but I think until Blizzard really shows their approval people will remain skeptical.
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I have had a chance to thoroughly read the rest of your posts regarding our prize pool. The prize pool finances are provided before a tournament even ensues, that is the policy of Blizzard Entertainment. The exact amount of cash prizes that go out are determined solely by the amount of people that register for the tournament. As some of you have already clearly stated in this thread, the only way the NeSE would even turn a profit on registrations is if there were an Insane amount of registrations. The tournament is designed to be accessible to all players and also provide everyone with a real opportunity to win. Yes 25% of ALL players are guaranteed to win Every round and all of those players each round will be PAID for winning that round. Just because you won the amount that you registered for does not mean the NeSE will not be writing you a personalized check for that amount. There is no confusion there nor is it a selling point. We are not broadcasting as though we are some sort of spammers, if anything we are very particular about where we represent ourselves. The NeSE is not here to turn a profit. We are working towards a very long term goal in the gaming community that does not involve any short term profits. Although we do definitely appreciate everyone's concerns regarding the survival of the NeSE Organization. I assure you the NeSE has all of the financial angles covered and we are even making strides towards making the registration fee non-existent. We agree 100% that the only thing preventing this from being the coolest tournament out there is the entry fee. So, we have to ask you to support us and stand by us as the gaming community and if you do, we promise to work solely on your behalf. We have already made great strides in the production aspect of gaming broadcasts and we look forward to presenting all that to everyone at our Finals.
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I agree with you 100% Adebisi, our main goal with the TL sponsored threads and general advertisements is to "get the word out" so to speak. This way when people do see the announcements on Blizzard web sites they will have already heard about the NeSE. In turn, that should help a great deal with proving the overall legitimacy of the NeSE.
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On July 22 2011 12:54 NeSE wrote:
It is incredible how extensive some of your research actually is. Please let me put all your minds to rest. As I said earlier we have been working on this project for over 17 months now. We have been changing and adapting our event based on public feedback and have NEVER started a registration EVER until this actual pre-launch. Our previous formats received great feedback and we elected to take our time with this event and work diligently towards providing the best possible environment. The Gaming World Series was the previous name of this exact same event and we are the same exact owners. We did not scam anyone nor did we do any formal announcements. Unfortunately with our format there are multiple levels of legal parameters in which we must fall within. This caused us to re-vamp our event slightly on two different occasions. Along with that information and the feedback received from players we felt it was best to re-design everything and start fresh. We did not take anyone's money nor did we ever feature an event, it was simply as splash page web site that was available and that is all. We will be featuring formal announcements throughout Blizzard's StarCraft 2 web sites and forums on August 1st. This event is not a scam, but being involved in the gaming community as long as we have we can certainly appreciate your positions. The simple fact of the matter is that we elected to spend all our money on the prize pools for the people instead of paying big names to join our team. We chose the people as Our major focus assuming if we could put together the best possible event it would not matter if we had big names involved. We will continue to work through this approval process as we do understand everyone's feelings. We will also work towards getting some professional figures involved with the tournament to create more legitimacy amongst the public. Unfortunately, a lot of pro figures are not willing to attach themselves to new events unless they have already proven themselves successful. We will continue to work towards this goal regardless. I also would like to apologize for any confusion that we have caused in our representation thus far. We are a new organization in terms of dealing directly with the gaming community and we are hoping to have everyone's support. We will always work on our production so long as we continue to have your support and feedback. It is not our goal in any way, shape or form to create any hostility or bad feelings with ANY member of the community. We are willing to engage in 1 on 1 conversations with anyone who is looking to have their voice heard. We will also continue to improve everything we have to offer and by August 1st the full NeSE site will be available. Which includes several interactive features like the User Profiles and Bracket System. Please allow me to formally apologize on behalf of the NeSE in not putting out a more flawless representation of ourselves. A lot of time and thought went into all of this and we were sure we had all of our angles covered. Clearly you have all pointed out some things we should have taken a better look at and I promise we will do so. We really encourage feedback we just wish your approach was slightly less hostile as we have already received very negative private messages here. We are really here to improve eSports in the United States as best as we possibly can and we are certainly here to stay. Team Liquid absolutely went through an extensive due diligence process before accepting our sponsored thread for posting. You will also see formal recognition on Blizzard's behalf in our announcements throughout their pages on August 1st. Thank you all for your feedback and we look forward to continuously providing as many events as possible. We are sponsoring a tournament with ItsGoSu eSports that will be taking place August 3rd and 4th and more in the future. If there is anything we can personally do to ensue personally reassurance, please feel free to post here or email us at eSports@ne-se.com
Seriously? LEARN TO USE PARAGRAPHS, they are helpful and make me not go cross eyed reading your totally useless post.
You have alot of things to clarify and a whole shit ton of people to set at ease before ANYONE is going to buy in to your tourney, making your post incredibly difficult to read is probably where you want to be going with this 17month idea.
On a second note if this is indeed an idea that has been actively worked on for nearly a year and a half and yet you cannot get 1, I repeat ONE credible community member to back you are already failed.
Please go back to Gambling and Drinking, because it is clearly much better suited to you.
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On July 22 2011 13:10 NeSE wrote:
I have had a chance to thoroughly read the rest of your posts regarding our prize pool. The prize pool finances are provided before a tournament even ensues, that is the policy of Blizzard Entertainment. The exact amount of cash prizes that go out are determined solely by the amount of people that register for the tournament. As some of you have already clearly stated in this thread, the only way the NeSE would even turn a profit on registrations is if there were an Insane amount of registrations. The tournament is designed to be accessible to all players and also provide everyone with a real opportunity to win. Yes 25% of ALL players are guaranteed to win Every round and all of those players each round will be PAID for winning that round. Just because you won the amount that you registered for does not mean the NeSE will not be writing you a personalized check for that amount. There is no confusion there nor is it a selling point. We are not broadcasting as though we are some sort of spammers, if anything we are very particular about where we represent ourselves. The NeSE is not here to turn a profit. We are working towards a very long term goal in the gaming community that does not involve any short term profits. Although we do definitely appreciate everyone's concerns regarding the survival of the NeSE Organization. I assure you the NeSE has all of the financial angles covered and we are even making strides towards making the registration fee non-existent. We agree 100% that the only thing preventing this from being the coolest tournament out there is the entry fee. So, we have to ask you to support us and stand by us as the gaming community and if you do, we promise to work solely on your behalf. We have already made great strides in the production aspect of gaming broadcasts and we look forward to presenting all that to everyone at our Finals.
Are you telling me that each round is a Group of 4? holy shit you guys make a shit ton of money. All of Archaic's numbers were based on 1 Ro4 into 1v1 single elim bracket.
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