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On July 22 2011 05:39 Genie1 wrote:
Uh your map pool is awful seriously get a new map pool or else everyone will be wasting there time with this tournament. If anyone is wondering what there map pool is here it is.
The maps for 1vs1 include:
Agria Valley
Blistering Sands
Delta Quadrant
Desert Oasis
Jungle Basin
Kulas Ravine
Lost Temple
Metalopolis
Scrap Station
Steppes of War
Xel'Naga Caverns
I couldn't agree more. They need to update their map pool or this tournament will fail. Try and use some GSL maps, like that beach map 
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....the $20 buyin was too sketchy for me lol, other than that it seems like a great idea
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Thank you everyone for all of your feedback. We have made several changes from day 1, 16 months ago, when we started this event based on player feedback. We have announced our map pool and will certainly make extensive changes based on the feedback you all have provided. We will load a new map list by the end of next week and we hope to see your feedback again!
Please keep in mind this is our pre-registration phase and our formal launch is scheduled for August 1st. At that time, the many interactive features of the web site will be available. We have provided several videos on the web site to prevent anyone from having to read text. We feel it is far easier to listen to a message than to sit down and read 2 pages of text. We do apologize if you are caught off guard or even remotely annoyed by the person talking on the site, but I can assure you it is there for your own benefit. The interactive profiles and bracket system on the site are detailed, intense features that are very easy to follow and use. We hope to see more feedback from all of you when the site is fully launched and announced throughout Blizzard on August 1st.
We are also sponsoring a tournament with ItsGoSu eSports that is a 64 person invitational scheduled for August 3rd and 4th. We will continue to host and sponsor many side tournaments as well as our own event throughout the year. It is our overall goal to provide the best possible gaming environment for everyone to compete in. If you have any feedback, ideas or suggestions we are always interested in hearing what you have to say and making changes on our end. For any questions, comments, concerns or inquiries of any kind please feel free to email us at eSports@ne-se.com, especially if you are looking for a response.
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For something that is 16 months in the making you think you'd have the foresight to double check all information on your website to make sure it's relevant. What's another few day delay on the announcement to check.
It's a really innovative system to run the tournament with but you are botching the presentation and making yourself look like a scam. I hope this is legit as it has great potential.
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i think probably my math is wrong but for me i look at this and scratch my head it seems the company is making an incredible amount of money and not paying out very much
i wanted to figure out how many people were needed for 6 rounds of this and how much was given away compared to how much was put in at the start to get those 6 rounds somewhere my numbers are funky so im not sure if its 100 percent right
(r = round, p = profit for nese)
r1 20x4=80 profit -20 payout r1=60 $ profit per group in round of 1
4 players are needed
r2 60(p for group) x 4= 240 - 40(payout for winner) r2=200
16 players are needed
r3 200(p for group) x 4=800 - 80(payout for winner) r3=720
64 players are needed
r4 720(p for each group) x 4= 2880 -160(") r4=2720
256 players are needed
r5 2720(") x 4= 10880 -320(") r5=10560
1024 players are needed
r6 10560(") x 4= 42240 -640(") r6= 41600
4096 players are needed
r6 4096 x 20 = 81920 - 41600(profit) = 40320 given away to players
r5 1024 x 20 = 20480 - 10560(profit) = 9920 given away to players
so according to my math (trust me im not very confident im doing this right) at r6 they are raking in 41600 pure profit while giving away slightly less
obviously i doubt they will get half that many participants which i dont know what it means, as there doesnt seem to be much information
i would warn not to play this tournament as more then half of the money payed is actually not going back to the players. I dont know if this is a scam but it seems definately created to make alot of money off of the players
some one tell me im way off my rocker they seem to be pocketing alot of money and managing to pay out very little comparitive
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On July 22 2011 05:39 Genie1 wrote:
Uh your map pool is awful seriously get a new map pool or else everyone will be wasting there time with this tournament. If anyone is wondering what there map pool is here it is.
The maps for 1vs1 include:
Agria Valley
Blistering Sands
Delta Quadrant
Desert Oasis
Jungle Basin
Kulas Ravine
Lost Temple
Metalopolis
Scrap Station
Steppes of War
Xel'Naga Caverns
I think that is old information. If you follow their link to the z33k brackets, it says:
Match Schedule
Round / Best of / Map
Round 1 / 3 / GSL May Tal'Darim Altar
Round 2 / 3 / MLG Shakuras Plateau
Round 3 / 3 / MLG Shattered Temple
Round 4 / 3 / MLG Xel'Naga Caverns
Round 5 / 3 / MLG Metalopolis
Round 6 / 3 / GSL Crossfire SE
Round 7 / 5 / GSL Terminus Re
Round 8 / 5 / GSL Crevasse
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On July 22 2011 05:39 Genie1 wrote:
Uh your map pool is awful seriously get a new map pool or else everyone will be wasting there time with this tournament. If anyone is wondering what there map pool is here it is.
The maps for 1vs1 include:
Agria Valley
Blistering Sands
Delta Quadrant
Desert Oasis
Jungle Basin
Kulas Ravine
Lost Temple
Metalopolis
Scrap Station
Steppes of War
Xel'Naga Caverns
Yeah those maps are TERRIBLE.
What league are you again?
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tQArchaic,
I cannot guarantee that I fully understand what you have put together up there, but it seems you believe there is an entry fee every round? There is a one time fee of $20 for 1v1 and 2v2. If you win round 1 you earn $20, if you win round 2 you earn $40, that is a total of $60 minus the $20 you registered with. Each round the prize amount continues to double and there is still never another entry fee. Then at the end of the tournament, four players and teams will deemed winners and those players will all receive a plus two guest list for all-expense paid trip to Las Vegas. In Las Vegas, they will compete in a 16 person/team final which includes: $30,000 1st Place, $15,000 2nd Place, $7,500 3rd Place.
At this point in time it is not our concern to profit, we are solely focused on eSports in the United States. This is why we have been working on this project for over 17 months now and have just recently published the web site. We have yet to even make our formal announcements based on the fact our Official Launch date is August 1st. Our goal is to acquire as much feedback as possible during this time so we can modify our event as best as possible according to the public. I assure you we are No scam and we are an Officially licensed StarCraft 2 Tournament Organizer with Blizzard Entertainment. We are confident to an extent that I would personally love to go over all of our foci, ideas and anything else you are interested in hearing in a Private or Public setting. Whichever you prefer, if you prefer it at all.
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We have taken everyone's feedback into consideration regarding our choice of map pools. We will be publishing a brand new map list according to more specific feedback on our forums by next week's end. We will attempt to publish that list on Team Liquid forums to acquire everyone's feedback again. We truly appreciate all of your feedback and we hope you will continue to provide us with more great feedback.
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Honestly, I doubt the tournament will make money based on the entry fees.
While it is true that If they filled each of the tournaments with thousands of people they'd make a tidy profit, but that's not realistic.
Let's say they get 128 people in each tournament. That's a reasonable expectation I believe, as it's what NASL got with a lower entry fee, but fewer payouts (eg, harder to actually get any money)
If this is the case, they make about $5k on the entry fees from each of the four qualifier tournaments.
Consider the top 4 from each goto a final tournament for $52.5k. Additionally, they pay for the trip expenses to Vegas, which although I don't know the details of, I will randomly guess at $1.5k each for 16 players. That's another 24k putting the costs at about $80k. To top this off, they are going to rent the venue and probably pay the casters and staff. To simply break even on the prize money alone, they would need sign up an average of 2000 people in each of the four qualifiers. This would give them +$20k for each of the qualifiers, which would then pay for the finals.
Personally, I don't think that many people will sign up with a $20 entry fee.
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On July 22 2011 10:53 Saishuuheiki wrote:
Honestly, I doubt the tournament will make money based on the entry fees.
While it is true that If they filled each of the tournaments with thousands of people they'd make a tidy profit, but that's not realistic.
Let's say they get 128 people in each tournament. That's a reasonable expectation I believe, as it's what NASL got with a lower entry fee, but fewer payouts (eg, harder to actually get any money)
If this is the case, they make about $5k on the entry fees from each of the four qualifier tournaments.
Consider the top 4 from each goto a final tournament for $52.5k. Additionally, they pay for the trip expenses to Vegas, which although I don't know the details of, I will randomly guess at $1.5k each for 16 players. That's another 24k putting the costs at about $80k. To top this off, they are going to rent the venue and probably pay the casters and staff. To simply break even on the prize money alone, they would need sign up an average of 2000 people in each of the four qualifiers. This would give them +$20k for each of the qualifiers, which would then pay for the finals.
Personally, I don't think that many people will sign up with a $20 entry fee.
You forgot to mention that the matches are streamed, so they will also be making money from the stream, sponsors, and various other ways, such as in other tournaments suchas the NASL where there was no entry fee (save for the open bracket).
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There's something about reaching 50 players and turning into a 50 player round robin until 4 people remain.
I just don't get it. How do you even make it to 50 players when it's multiples of 4 the entire time?
Claiming 25% of people get paid is a bit deceptive too, 25% of people will break even, 6% will make any profit in a given qualifier. It's just a weird selling point to me.
If you've really been at this for 17 months and it is still so confusing I think there might be a problem
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So they have been preparing this tournament for 17 months, in other words, 5 months before the game was even released....what has taken this long, it smells like such a scam and lots of stuff is confusing
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On July 22 2011 06:50 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 06:43 pHaRSiDE wrote:If the tournament is clean cool, but I think you could run into some problems having the finals 1 year away. Maybe find a way to shorten the tournament just a little bit. On July 22 2011 05:56 ComaDose wrote:On July 22 2011 05:44 5ukkub wrote:
IMO this smells like some kind of scam...
Those giant dragons on the main site are supposed to be mutalisks? lol Its obviously not a scam if they got sponsored on teamliquid man. This is an amazing thing even if there is a $20 entrance fee Now that its mentioned lets move on. Put it in the OP is a good recommendation tho. To get a sponsored thread it just cost money, you don't have to be legit. You are not screened or something. Correct, a Sponsored Thread is more a paid advertisement on TL rather than a relationship between TL and the company or product advertised. On some level we do review the Sponsored Threads put up, but it's nowhere near the process of an official event or team or site sponsor (like TeamSpeak). Please do not take this to mean TL thinks this tournament is not legitimate, because obviously we wouldn't allow this thread if we thought that it was a scam. We have as much information as the public sees right now.
Hot_Bid, please do some basic research. This tournament is definitely a scam. They also tried it under a different name a few months ago ( http://www.thegamingworldseries.com ) and also a year ago with the same name, and both times, all the signup money went missing and nothing was ever mentioned again. Owner of the website is a night club owner in Vegas. This is most definitely a scam.
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you guys have looked at this closely right? Please look again 
For example.. check their previous 'venture' here: http://www.thegamingworldseries.com/about.htmlhttp://www.thegamingworldseries.com/about.html
Its the same company.. but nothing ever happened with it. I can not say for sure that this is a scam, but there are several red flags.
Someone should dig a bit deeper on it.
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ha.. sorry wolf.. did not know you were going to let them know as well!
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This is nice Las Vegas as Finals woop woop
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On July 22 2011 10:47 NeSE wrote:
tQArchaic,
I cannot guarantee that I fully understand what you have put together up there, but it seems you believe there is an entry fee every round? There is a one time fee of $20 for 1v1 and 2v2. If you win round 1 you earn $20, if you win round 2 you earn $40, that is a total of $60 minus the $20 you registered with. Each round the prize amount continues to double and there is still never another entry fee. Then at the end of the tournament, four players and teams will deemed winners and those players will all receive a plus two guest list for all-expense paid trip to Las Vegas. In Las Vegas, they will compete in a 16 person/team final which includes: $30,000 1st Place, $15,000 2nd Place, $7,500 3rd Place.
At this point in time it is not our concern to profit, we are solely focused on eSports in the United States. This is why we have been working on this project for over 17 months now and have just recently published the web site. We have yet to even make our formal announcements based on the fact our Official Launch date is August 1st. Our goal is to acquire as much feedback as possible during this time so we can modify our event as best as possible according to the public. I assure you we are No scam and we are an Officially licensed StarCraft 2 Tournament Organizer with Blizzard Entertainment. We are confident to an extent that I would personally love to go over all of our foci, ideas and anything else you are interested in hearing in a Private or Public setting. Whichever you prefer, if you prefer it at all.
NO no i do not believe there is an entry cost every round, im saying as you progress through the tournament theres alot of money sneaking through the cracks, that u guys are making
If we pretend this is a 64 man tournament with 3 rounds
r1 20x4=80 gross for NESE -20 payout, so you make 60 dollars per group
but in a 64 man tournament there are 16 groups netting you a total of 60 dollars times the number of groups(16) which equals 960 $
then there are the next rounds which u lose money from that initial 960
r2 16 people left, all play in groups of 4, 4 groups which means only 4 people get 80 dollars. 80 x 4 equals 320 which minuses from the 960 equals 640
and there are only 4 more people left which means one more round where the last guy gets 160 dollars
meaning u get 480 while total given out is 800 so somewhere in my intial post i screwd up math...as expected cause im terrible at it. But each round its increases significantly
ill look over origional post cause there was something wrong
EDIT: looks like this is a scam anyways, so even though im terrible at math, the creators of this scam are much worse at convincing people like me
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This is most definitely a scam. A tournament like this doesn't just come out of nowhere.
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