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On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches.
nestea 2x gsl champion vs. drg code b for life should be enough but this will how it'll always be
MMA basically wins GSTL for slayers, goes on to win MLG, and then takes 2nd in the supertournament but since he didn't win it all he's gonna be considered in a "slump" now
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On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches.
We've seen a ton of ZvT matches out of DRG already, and he's looked incredible in all of them. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to suggest his ZvT looks the best. Obviously Nestea has the edge in the other match-ups, as we've seen very little of them from DRG.
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On June 23 2011 21:14 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:11 eYeball wrote:On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment. Hold on a second. 1 terran in the top8 of mlg 1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG. Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL. And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran. Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament. Except GSL World Tournament Series like ro8 was filled with terrans and semifinals pure terran also. I would argue that the Super tournament didn't have the right players in it, eg. it was missing DongRaeGu
he will be there if he had any GSL points. It won't be long till the day DRG owning Code S.
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On June 23 2011 21:15 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:03 Qikz wrote:
Damn. DRG's mutalisks are really annoying.
I don't know what MMA could have done there. more turrets maybe? I can't think of any valid strat that can counter DRG's style as long as DRG doesn't make a big blunder. DRG seems to have early terran pressure figured out. He then gets a early 3rd up. The deciding point i think is here. If you can't kill his third and keep him from getting it, the game is pretty much over imo. He is just able to get so many Mutas with 3 bases that they can one shot turrets, or a random fly by the mineral line will kill 4-5 SCV's every time. The only thing that can really counter Mutas is Marines. Thors I feel they're too immobile, and can't mass produce fast enough. And to counter that, DRG just gets mass banes+lings, and trade army with the terran. Terran can't reproduce as fast as the Zerg, so DRG just slowly overwhelm the Terran at this point. But i'm no professional gamer so I'm sure one of them will eventually figure out a way to counter DRG's style eventually.
You NEED thors against mass muta.
I'm pretty sure heavy thor play would kill DRG, considering he still pumps mutas even after seeing 5 factories (Boxer vs DRG game). If boxer had made pure thor that game instead of 8+ tanks which did nothing he would have won easily.
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On June 23 2011 21:16 FatalT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:14 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one having huge trouble with mutas, I can't seem to beat a big muta switch without being way ahead before they come out, in comparison my TVP is like 80%+. Same here! doesnt matter how many turrets I get.. If I'm not ahead when mutas come out or the zerg player makes a huge mistake.. I loose
yeah man!! mutas are unbeatable!!!
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This is quite the reception for only 7 games. almost 200 pages i'm impressed lol.
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On June 23 2011 21:08 DonaldLee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:05 Sc2Null wrote:On June 23 2011 21:04 MH_Gunner wrote:On June 23 2011 21:03 Insipidity wrote:
DRG's zerg style is just scary... Not as scary as Nestea's zerg style DRG is good, but nestea just doesn't die mid-late game. DRG is beastly, but Nestea is a god damn genius. I don't remember that man ever making a mistake or misread.
Except when he lost to TOP after making mistakes in all 3 games right?
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On June 23 2011 21:14 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one having huge trouble with mutas, I can't seem to beat a big muta switch without being way ahead before they come out, in comparison my TVP is like 80%+.
That's the side effect of the AMM. Your weak TvZ keeps your MMR down so you play protoss players who are too bad for your TvP.
OT: Slayers :'( I guess I'll experiment with ravens instead of thors.
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On June 23 2011 21:14 drox22 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:12 Minaegi wrote:On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment. Hold on a second. 1 terran in the top8 of mlg 1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG. Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL. And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran. Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament. Why are you trying to bring balance or metagame discussion into it. Stop citing statistics without also admitting that the quality of the terran players at those international events was MUCH lower. Bomber was the only really world class terran at any of those events (yes including MMA). Go watch sCfou v DRG from last weeks LG cinema 3d final to see that it actually still comes down to the best players or the least crucial mistakes winning. Yeah. Zerg gets dominated = imbalance Terran gets dominated = terran are just bad I'm not saying the matchup is imbalanced, just that Terran isn't doing fine against zerg at all.
Pfft I'll tell you what, DRG style is so hard that if there were many people capable of pulling it off, GSLs would be all zergs. I'm telling you that because I do 10 mistakes a minute when I play it just because you have to do macro during micro, it's like a full time engagement that cannot end or you die.
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On June 23 2011 21:15 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches. That's how this forums work, quick to bash and quick to bandwagon over ONE game.
Last year"s GSTL , special tournament and 3 games today isnt enough for you?
People said the very same thing for MMA and he flourished in the Individual leagues too.
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where can I see my fantasy league results?
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On June 23 2011 21:11 Mortal wrote:
IM - fOu
Oh boy, that should be cute.
CuteFoU is now MVPNoblesse, so he won't be there tomorrow =P
Actually might be a really good match. IM has 3 monsters, and some other decent players, whilst FoU has some decent players and, like MVP, have a lot of players people know little about. sC, Gumiho and Leenock are all decent players, and if I recall from some time ago in interviews they rated Nuclear as one of their strongest players.
That said, I'll be shocked if IM loses. Nestea and MVP are far too strong, and Losira on a good day can multitask between winning and writing a fanfiction of his own creation where he finally surpasses Nestea.
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On June 23 2011 21:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment. Hold on a second. 1 terran in the top8 of mlg 1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG. Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL. And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran. Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament. Yes ZERG is op -.- (not) Terrans are losing because all they want to do is a 2 rax bunker push which is so easy to deny without losing any drones so yes lets blame Zergs being OP not the fact that terrans are all doing the same thing when it clearly fails vs a great zerg.......
So are you blaming terrans for pressure expand builds now aswell? it's the best thing you can do against zerg, if you don't pressure zerg you lose automatically.
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On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches.
This happens in every LR thread. There was 1 guy claiming that Ganzi had the best TvZ because he had a lead against DRG. DRG has sick ZvT, but you can't judge how good he is based on how good he is in 1 match up.
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On June 23 2011 21:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment. Hold on a second. 1 terran in the top8 of mlg 1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG. Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL. And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran. Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament. Yes ZERG is op -.- (not) Terrans are losing because all they want to do is a 2 rax bunker push which is so easy to deny without losing any drones so yes lets blame Zergs being OP not the fact that terrans are all doing the same thing when it clearly fails vs a great zerg.......
Cause you have to put pressure on early or else they drone and own you. Every form of harass is completely figured out while any attack you might try to do, gets counterattacked, or mutas of gg destroy your whole base.
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On June 23 2011 21:15 hYdrA-MeNo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment. Hold on a second. 1 terran in the top8 of mlg 1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG. Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL. And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran. Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament. Yes ZERG is op -.- (not) Terrans are losing because all they want to do is a 2 rax bunker push which is so easy to deny without losing any drones so yes lets blame Zergs being OP not the fact that terrans are all doing the same thing when it clearly fails vs a great zerg.......
It's pretty obvious that Terran has no answer to large group of SC2 mutalisks since they are so easy to micro with infinite unit selection. (and i'm not terran).
In Starcraft 1 there was irradiate, in sc2 there's nothing. You have to outmicro the Zerg with your marines which become exponentially harder as long as the games goes on and that the Zerg doesn't do any blunder (ofc not doing any blunder against stimmed marines is hard but that's another debate).
That's not even a complain, that's a fact.
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On June 23 2011 21:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:16 FatalT wrote:On June 23 2011 21:14 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one having huge trouble with mutas, I can't seem to beat a big muta switch without being way ahead before they come out, in comparison my TVP is like 80%+. Same here! doesnt matter how many turrets I get.. If I'm not ahead when mutas come out or the zerg player makes a huge mistake.. I loose yeah man!! mutas are unbeatable!!! ........
it is as close as unbeatable on the hand of DRG
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On June 23 2011 21:16 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches. nestea 2x gsl champion vs. drg code b for life should be enough but this will how it'll always be MMA basically wins GSTL for slayers, goes on to win MLG, and then takes 2nd in the supertournament but since he didn't win it all he's gonna be considered in a "slump" now
MMA isn't considered to be in a slump right now, but perhaps on the verge of one. This is how they start out. He loses in the super tournament (while being the favored winner) and then loses in GSTL where he's historically been extremely solid. While losing 2 games is hardly an indication of any future games he may play, the losses may cause him to start tilting more and more.
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On June 23 2011 21:18 pyro19 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:15 Pajegetc wrote:On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches. That's how this forums work, quick to bash and quick to bandwagon over ONE game. Last year"s GSTL , special tournament and 3 games today isnt enough for you? People said the very same thing for MMA and he flourished in the Individual leagues too.
no one is arguing that he isn't good
but to say he's better than nestea is just the stupidest thing you could say in a situation like this
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On June 23 2011 21:11 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment. Hold on a second. 1 terran in the top8 of mlg 1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG. Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL. And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran. Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament. Except GSL World Tournament Series like ro8 was filled with terrans and semifinals pure terran also.
.. I don't specifically agree with the "not enough Terran" sentiment, but World Tournament semifinals were both TvP, San and MVP, and Marineking and MC.
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