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pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
June 23 2011 12:13 GMT
#3941
Are Jupiter and Venus the two different groups?
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 23 2011 12:13 GMT
#3942
On June 23 2011 20:48 FuzzyJAM wrote:
GSTL record:
MVP without DRG: 8-12
DRG: 7-1

And don't forget that DRG has to play all the other team's aces. I really feel he deserves a better team.


Make that 8-12 and 8-1. DRG is MVP. So sad he's not in Code A.


Good work from Unstable. A little shaky (hah!) at the start and clearly nervous but he has potential with Wolf.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
June 23 2011 12:13 GMT
#3943
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
June 23 2011 12:14 GMT
#3944
On June 23 2011 21:12 skullhoof wrote:
Nestea is raping code S, DRG can't even qualify. No way to compare.

Fixed that for you.
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
June 23 2011 12:14 GMT
#3945
On June 23 2011 21:11 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days


Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment.


Hold on a second.

1 terran in the top8 of mlg
1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack
Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG.
Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL.
And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran.

Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament.


Except GSL World Tournament Series like ro8 was filled with terrans and semifinals pure terran also.


I would argue that the Super tournament didn't have the right players in it, eg. it was missing DongRaeGu
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
drox22
Profile Joined April 2011
129 Posts
June 23 2011 12:14 GMT
#3946
On June 23 2011 21:12 Minaegi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days


Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment.


Hold on a second.

1 terran in the top8 of mlg
1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack
Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG.
Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL.
And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran.

Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament.



Why are you trying to bring balance or metagame discussion into it. Stop citing statistics without also admitting that the quality of the terran players at those international events was MUCH lower. Bomber was the only really world class terran at any of those events (yes including MMA). Go watch sCfou v DRG from last weeks LG cinema 3d final to see that it actually still comes down to the best players or the least crucial mistakes winning.



Yeah.

Zerg gets dominated = imbalance
Terran gets dominated = terran are just bad

I'm not saying the matchup is imbalanced, just that Terran isn't doing fine against zerg at all.
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
June 23 2011 12:14 GMT
#3947
I'm glad I'm not the only one having huge trouble with mutas, I can't seem to beat a big muta switch without being way ahead before they come out, in comparison my TVP is like 80%+.
asperger
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1310 Posts
June 23 2011 12:14 GMT
#3948
On June 23 2011 21:12 Alaron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:11 eYeball wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days


Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment.


Hold on a second.

1 terran in the top8 of mlg
1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack
Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG.
Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL.
And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran.

Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament.


Except GSL World Tournament Series like ro8 was filled with terrans and semifinals pure terran also.


Case and point.

It's "case in point", dude.
Nestea | Puzzle | DongRaeGu | YongHwa
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3949
On June 23 2011 21:03 Qikz wrote:
Damn. DRG's mutalisks are really annoying.

I don't know what MMA could have done there. more turrets maybe?

I can't think of any valid strat that can counter DRG's style as long as DRG doesn't make a big blunder.

DRG seems to have early terran pressure figured out.

He then gets a early 3rd up. The deciding point i think is here. If you can't kill his third and keep him from getting it, the game is pretty much over imo. He is just able to get so many Mutas with 3 bases that they can one shot turrets, or a random fly by the mineral line will kill 4-5 SCV's every time.

The only thing that can really counter Mutas is Marines. Thors I feel they're too immobile, and can't mass produce fast enough.

And to counter that, DRG just gets mass banes+lings, and trade army with the terran. Terran can't reproduce as fast as the Zerg, so DRG just slowly overwhelm the Terran at this point.

But i'm no professional gamer so I'm sure one of them will eventually figure out a way to counter DRG's style eventually.
MinoMino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1103 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3950
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.
Blah.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3951
On June 23 2011 21:12 trancey wrote:
If you ever play as terran versus Zerg, even at every skill level, I think all terrans can agree that it's really one of the most frustrating match-ups in the game regardless if you see all these pros doing well as terran.


IDK about that, I play terran and TvZ is my favorite match up.
It all depends on your style and preference, TvZ just requires more micro and better positioning.
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3952
DRG is #2 zerg after Nestea and probably the best TvZ.

Beast, he will crush soon just like bomber who took his time but owned Code A hard.
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3953
On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches.


Nestea is smart but man is he old and slow. DRG is the future!
hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3954
On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days


Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment.


Hold on a second.

1 terran in the top8 of mlg
1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack
Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG.
Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL.
And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran.

Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament.



Yes ZERG is op -.- (not) Terrans are losing because all they want to do is a 2 rax bunker push which is so easy to deny without losing any drones so yes lets blame Zergs being OP not the fact that terrans are all doing the same thing when it clearly fails vs a great zerg.......
Cant Tell you Whats good....But i can tell you what's what
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
June 23 2011 12:15 GMT
#3955
On June 23 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:
Wow, people are really quick to jump on the DRG bandwagon and simultaneously disregard Nestea, from what I've been reading here. Give Nestea some credit -_-;; seriously. Obviously you can point out many more mistakes Nestea has made in the past because he's been around for so much longer than DRG and thus we've seen many more of his matches.


That's how this forums work, quick to bash and quick to bandwagon over ONE game.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
FatalT
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway162 Posts
June 23 2011 12:16 GMT
#3956
On June 23 2011 21:14 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one having huge trouble with mutas, I can't seem to beat a big muta switch without being way ahead before they come out, in comparison my TVP is like 80%+.


Same here! doesnt matter how many turrets I get.. If I'm not ahead when mutas come out or the zerg player makes a huge mistake.. I loose
I have always tried emulating particular roles of the old seasoned salmon
b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
June 23 2011 12:16 GMT
#3957
On June 23 2011 21:06 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:04 CellTech wrote:
I understand SlayerS' terrans are awesome, but why not try and snipe DRG with another race?



Yeah, i agree, this guy is capable of destroying any Terran. No player is this good in all 3 match ups, he must have a weakness


Like who? zergs? DRG's ZvZ is very good as well. Protoss? Alicia's out, Frozen's weakest matchup is PvZ
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 12:17:29
June 23 2011 12:16 GMT
#3958
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 23 2011 12:16 GMT
#3959
On June 23 2011 21:14 drox22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2011 21:12 Minaegi wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:10 drox22 wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:06 tomatriedes wrote:
On June 23 2011 21:02 FatalT wrote:
Korean terrans have been superior in multitasking and control, now that Korean zergs are catching up problems with zvt is starting 2 get obvious imo. Mutalingbling is awesome, infestor/bl is awesome.. so hard to play vs z now'a'days


Dude, how many places in the last GSL semi-finals were filled by terrans? And who won the last MLG? Terran's doing more than fine at the moment.


Hold on a second.

1 terran in the top8 of mlg
1 terran in the top8 of dreamhack
Terran also had the lowest win percentage at MLG.
Also the lowest win percentage in the NASL.
And the reason terran was dominating the super tournament was because most players who participated were terran.

Terran is not doing fine right now at all, Zerg is dominating the ZvT match up in pretty much every tournament.




Why are you trying to bring balance or metagame discussion into it. Stop citing statistics without also admitting that the quality of the terran players at those international events was MUCH lower. Bomber was the only really world class terran at any of those events (yes including MMA). Go watch sCfou v DRG from last weeks LG cinema 3d final to see that it actually still comes down to the best players or the least crucial mistakes winning.



Yeah.

Zerg gets dominated = imbalance
Terran gets dominated = terran are just bad

I'm not saying the matchup is imbalanced, just that Terran isn't doing fine against zerg at all.


There are plenty of people calling infestors imba these days on TL so don't try and act coy and pretend it's all one way.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-23 12:17:22
June 23 2011 12:16 GMT
#3960
On June 23 2011 21:15 MinoMino wrote:
DRG SC2 bonjwa in the making. Excellent day for my FPL, with both Alicia and DRG. Was calling an Alicia 3-kill and DRG reverse AK, so I guess I wasn't too far off.


... stop jumping to bonjwa status...

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