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GTArchangel
United States6 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:24 rysecake wrote: It's the emperor. You wouldn't be watching sc2 if it weren't for him. Get out. If you want to talk about Idra's morals or whether he BM'd Boxer, go do it somewhere else. Show some respect for these forums and keep the posts on topic. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:36 Skyze wrote: if only Kespa was in SC2.. IdrA would be dq'd in every match. GG in league game IS important; its the sign of the game being over, it IS a handshake, and it is not pointless and trivial.. would you like it if all the sudden you are watching a really intense GSL finals match and all the sudden the screen goes black because someone quit without giving warning?? Do you really think that is GOOD for esports? the typing of GG is the climax of most SC2 matches. I can agree that gg may be meaningless in ladder when you are grinding out games, but in an event with over 8k watching... against the fucking Emperor of ALL ESPORTS.. give me a break. And idra fans know that if it was Boxer losing to idra and not gging, you would be all over him too for being a bad mannered asshole.. but when the shoe is on the other foot, you find any excuse you can to defend him. That's what YOU think GG signifies, my point is some people (like Idra) think differently, and if you think GG is stupid and trivial, then not saying GG isn't a gesture of disrespect. This isn't about whether or not people should GG, this is about whether or not Idra meant to disrespect Boxer, and given his stance on typing GG he clearly didn't is my point. Also Kespa has no rule about having to say GG, it's just all Koreans do it because it's become a habit and a sign of respect for them. For reference, Really didn't GG Zero on Eye of the Storm like 2 MSL seasons ago, he just left, and there were no consequences (it was game 1 of the series too). Again, stop trying to create drama where there is none. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On June 13 2011 21:26 syllogism wrote: I can't believe I'm bothering, but Idra has established 'gg' is an empty gesture to him and as such the absence of it isn't a sign of disrespect. At most it's a sign he wasn't happy about the game. Comparing 'gg' to a handshake which is a thousands of years old ritual is absurd. So because one player disagrees with throwing out a "gg" representing the concession of the game, which has been the standard practice in professional SC, he's right and every other class player is wrong? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On June 13 2011 23:11 Full.tilt wrote: So because one player disagrees with throwing out a "gg" representing the concession of the game, which has been the standard practice in professional SC, he's right and every other class player is wrong? No, it just means that one player not 'gging' isn't a sign of much of anything | ||
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VL-Orion
Indonesia78 Posts
Idra fans wants to trivialize "GG" by saying its not a gesture just 2 words and not mandatory. Boxer fans , ex bw players, and other people that has alot of experience in E-sports thinks that this not "gg"ing can be considered bad manner. So who's right? lets introduce context here Ida doesn't gg when he thinks its not a good game and its find in the NA community, we know all about his antics. The Korean scene however don't know this in fact MC says and i quote" inst all NA players BM?. Considering this Idra decision to not gg when boxer beat him( boxer didnt cheese if you read my previous post im too lazy to write it again) the one person many considered father of e-sport can be said to be BM and politically incorrect. Idra who has been living in Korea know this. Normally i wouldn't mind seeing his antics and rage but there's a place and time for everything(those of of you who thinks that none of this manner matters because its a e-sport tourney please grew up we live in the real world ,fans come in all shape and they are the reason why we can watch these great games), in this instance i would have to fault Idra for not typing those 2 simple alphabets to boxer. | ||
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Hammurabio
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AlecPyron
United States131 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On June 13 2011 23:26 AlecPyron wrote: I don't think IdrA meant to be disrespectful toward Boxer by not GGing. However, it wasn't smart of IdrA not GGing. It's obvious it would generate unnecessary controversy. People were already complaining IdrA not GGing normally (only in games he was winning apparently). Or maybe he's a genius because now there's a ridiculous length thread talking about a trivial subject regarding him, and he gets more attention. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:20 GTArchangel wrote: I can't believe I come to this thread to read LR posts and find out how the matches went and there are over 30 pages of imbeciles spewing garbage about "no GG". Who fucking cares? Seriously.... you have 6 posts and you're already calling ppl imbeciles for different opinions and On June 13 2011 22:37 GTArchangel wrote: If you want to talk about Idra's morals or whether he BM'd Boxer, go do it somewhere else. Show some respect for these forums and keep the posts on topic. ...acting like a moderator even tho nobody asked you to. what do you hope to acomplish except get yourself banned? here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:36 FLuE wrote: Pretty funny, if I were Idra I'd never GG again just to troll everyone on TL for the rest of time and laugh when every time I didn't do it there were 30 pages instantly about "gg" Yeah, that does sound like fun doesn't it? -_- + Show Spoiler + No. You don't have to believe or understand anything. If it's a social convention in the community you're a part of, it's a matter of common sense and basic civility to respect it. | ||
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War Horse
United States247 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:36 FLuE wrote: Sorry, I get the guy is great and all and deserve respect but I don't get statements like this. We'd still watch basketball if there was no Michael Jordan and we'd still watch baseball if there was no Babe Ruth. Especially at this point when western e-sports are starting down their own path separate from Korean with plenty of fans that never followed BW/Korean E-Sports scene. And whether it is right or wrong to not "gg" (I could personally care less) I can't believe how worked up and personally offended so many people are. Pretty funny, if I were Idra I'd never GG again just to troll everyone on TL for the rest of time and laugh when every time I didn't do it there were 30 pages instantly about "gg" If you really think basketball or starcraft would be as popular as they are without Jordan or boxer, you have no idea about the history of the game. Jordan is almost solely the reason basketball became a global phenomenon, and boxer is why starcraft was a cultural phenomenon in Korea. When the Bad Boy Pistons walked off the court with 30 seconds left and no shaking hands,after being swept by the Bulls, they were pilloried. It looks pathetic. Just like Idra never admitting he loses to a better player, or when Idra leaves when hes ahead. What do people like about this guy? Or is it just people on the internet like him because so many people online are passive aggressive little piss ants, so they like seeing someone just like them? Looking forward to Idra being knocked out of this tourney, hopefully. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:36 FLuE wrote: Sorry, I get the guy is great and all and deserve respect but I don't get statements like this. We'd still watch basketball if there was no Michael Jordan and we'd still watch baseball if there was no Babe Ruth. Especially at this point when western e-sports are starting down their own path separate from Korean with plenty of fans that never followed BW/Korean E-Sports scene. You are right. We only watch basketball because of Magic and Bird. They saved the game, not Jordan. ... I thought most people knew that? :D | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On June 13 2011 13:11 Xeris wrote: **Note: some errors in the playoff brackets here. I will post a correction as soon as the broadcast is finished. Did this ever happen? | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
And Idra not gg'ing has been a constant issue. Every instance has been bad, not just this one. If you think it's unnecessary, then you're obviously not taking esports seriously enough. This is just another indication of how far behind we are from Korea. If the players and fans don't think it's important to make the scene BETTER than your average shit-talking, juvenile, Halo scrumfest, then why should the potential sponsors or future fans over the age of 12? It doesn't help that the foreigner flagship player promotes this kind of behavior. Though I find that to be in question. Off the top of my head, I think Thorzain and Naniwa could make a case for being the best foreigners. EDIT: Watch real sports and recognize the enforced sportsmanship. Fines get handed out. There are signed contracts for media handlers. Any slips get huge amounts of press slamming the offending player. Even the coaches aren't immune. They get shit on if they don't shake hands. Then there's the inevitable apology, not cause they want to. It's in the contract. The NBA is the worst at this (probably contributes to their "thug-league" image) but look at the NFL, NHL, tennis, soccer, mma etc. Even the NBA carefully controls player message in the press conferences. You think they're that civil on the court? | ||
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hmmm...
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phisku
Belgium864 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On June 13 2011 22:36 Skyze wrote: if only Kespa was in SC2.. IdrA would be dq'd in every match. GG in league game IS important; its the sign of the game being over, it IS a handshake, and it is not pointless and trivial.. would you like it if all the sudden you are watching a really intense GSL finals match and all the sudden the screen goes black because someone quit without giving warning?? Do you really think that is GOOD for esports? the typing of GG is the climax of most SC2 matches. I can agree that gg may be meaningless in ladder when you are grinding out games, but in an event with over 8k watching... against the fucking Emperor of ALL ESPORTS.. give me a break. And idra fans know that if it was Boxer losing to idra and not gging, you would be all over him too for being a bad mannered asshole.. but when the shoe is on the other foot, you find any excuse you can to defend him. But Kespa ISN'T in control of SC2 so it ISN'T necessary to GG. There's no rule that states you have to, and until their is it will always be voluntary. You think SC2 is going to fail as an esport because only 95% of the matches end in a GG? Get real. Damn Bic commercials during MLG Columbus.  | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 14 2011 02:13 Zdrastochye wrote: But Kespa ISN'T in control of SC2 so it ISN'T necessary to GG. There's no rule that states you have to, and until their is it will always be voluntary. You think SC2 is going to fail as an esport because only 95% of the matches end in a GG? Get real. Damn Bic commercials during MLG Columbus. Yeah lol. That fool actually thinks kespa rules would make the game better. Hahahahhahaha | ||
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