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On June 06 2011 12:08 57 Corvette wrote:Wow, this will be epic. I am not signing up, as I am extremely out of practice in SC2 (plus I have no money, Plus thats my Exam week), but GL to anyone who enters. Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. They have a large cash prize for the winner, and with only a small amount of sponsors (if any), their prizemoney has to come from somewhere. If you don't like the entrance fee, then tough shit. Having people pay to play may decrease the amount of people that enter, but it increases the quality (because no noob is gonna pay 10 bucks to lose in the first round). It helps ESPORTS by funding better tournament quality next year. EU and KR tournaments have entry fees too, they just aren't as public about them afaik. If there was a EUSL, there would probably be an entry fee just like there is here.
This actually doesn't have a cash prize
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On June 06 2011 14:24 Halcyondaze wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 12:08 57 Corvette wrote:Wow, this will be epic. I am not signing up, as I am extremely out of practice in SC2 (plus I have no money, Plus thats my Exam week), but GL to anyone who enters. On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. They have a large cash prize for the winner, and with only a small amount of sponsors (if any), their prizemoney has to come from somewhere. If you don't like the entrance fee, then tough shit. Having people pay to play may decrease the amount of people that enter, but it increases the quality (because no noob is gonna pay 10 bucks to lose in the first round). It helps ESPORTS by funding better tournament quality next year. EU and KR tournaments have entry fees too, they just aren't as public about them afaik. If there was a EUSL, there would probably be an entry fee just like there is here. This actually doesn't have a cash prize
Isn't there a prize for people that participate in the final 16, beyond the stipend?
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yeah i believe the top 16 get atleast 500 dollars plus travel stipen.
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On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number.
Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments run in many other sports. I haven't been in many competitive events where the entrance fee was free. In fact, look at fencing. It's like 15-25 bucks for a local tournament. There's no cash prizes. Just a relatively cheap medal. Spend more than a hundred bucks to register for a regional and you win? You don't get a single dime.
Obviously events cost money to run. Some of them are lucky to have strong sponsorships. Some of them aren't so lucky and don't have as much sponsorship, meaning they have to recoup the expenses through entrance fees.
Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions.
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On June 06 2011 15:39 Frozenserpent wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments run in many other sports. I haven't been in many competitive events where the entrance fee was free. In fact, look at fencing. It's like 15-25 bucks for a local tournament. There's no cash prizes. Just a relatively cheap medal. Spend more than a hundred bucks to register for a regional and you win? You don't get a single dime. Obviously events cost money to run. Some of them are lucky to have strong sponsorships. Some of them aren't so lucky and don't have as much sponsorship, meaning they have to recoup the expenses through entrance fees. Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions.
This isn't fencing so please think about that before jumping to conclusions. Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments in sc2 are run. The vast majority of them don't cost money to sign up for. In fact i can't think of any other tournaments that cost money to participate in off the top of my head, although I've seen one or two in the past. Needless to say, a pay to play tournament in SC2 represents ~1-4% of the total sc2 tournaments available in an 'open' setting.
When given the choice between signing up for tournaments, the one that costs money to sign up is going to turn away a lot of people like me who are masters, but don't actually have time to 'practice' because of work. If it were free I'd sign up and enjoy myself, but there's no point in paying for a tournament I know I won't be winning in my current state.
As for the 'event' costing money I completely agree with you that events cost money, however, online opens don't. They are recouping their money for their main event by using the open qualifiers which isn't really a 'bad business practice', but it's definitely going to drive would be signups away and I'm all for increasing the player base.
Most importantly, the prize is a $500 travel stipend which is not the same as $500. There is no cash prize unless you were already planning on going to the event anyways.
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On June 06 2011 15:52 starcraft911 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 15:39 Frozenserpent wrote:On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments run in many other sports. I haven't been in many competitive events where the entrance fee was free. In fact, look at fencing. It's like 15-25 bucks for a local tournament. There's no cash prizes. Just a relatively cheap medal. Spend more than a hundred bucks to register for a regional and you win? You don't get a single dime. Obviously events cost money to run. Some of them are lucky to have strong sponsorships. Some of them aren't so lucky and don't have as much sponsorship, meaning they have to recoup the expenses through entrance fees. Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions. This isn't fencing so please think about that before jumping to conclusions. Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments in sc2 are run. The vast majority of them don't cost money to sign up for. In fact i can't think of any other tournaments that cost money to participate in off the top of my head, although I've seen one or two in the past. Needless to say, a pay to play tournament in SC2 represents ~1-4% of the total sc2 tournaments available in an 'open' setting. When given the choice between signing up for tournaments, the one that costs money to sign up is going to turn away a lot of people like me who are masters, but don't actually have time to 'practice' because of work. If it were free I'd sign up and enjoy myself, but there's no point in paying for a tournament I know I won't be winning in my current state. As for the 'event' costing money I completely agree with you that events cost money, however, online opens don't. They are recouping their money for their main event by using the open qualifiers which isn't really a 'bad business practice', but it's definitely going to drive would be signups away and I'm all for increasing the player base. Most importantly, the prize is a $500 travel stipend which is not the same as $500. There is no cash prize unless you were already planning on going to the event anyways.
The reason why you don't see any cash offered for tournaments is because of the Blizzard ToS, which strictly forbids it. Every tournament I've ever seen that costs money to join is a lan, and that's because you're paying for playing at the lan, not just playing on battle.net.
I would think that NASL has Blizzards permission, and they're doing this as a way to limit the player pool by chasing away players who know they have now chance at winning, but $10 seems kinda low.
At any rate, this seems ridiculous. Why does the tournament take place over an entire week? Why not play the whole thing in one day, or up to the Ro16 in one day? NASL kinda expects the players to do nothing else but play NASL all the time.
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On June 06 2011 14:24 Halcyondaze wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 12:08 57 Corvette wrote:Wow, this will be epic. I am not signing up, as I am extremely out of practice in SC2 (plus I have no money, Plus thats my Exam week), but GL to anyone who enters. On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. They have a large cash prize for the winner, and with only a small amount of sponsors (if any), their prizemoney has to come from somewhere. If you don't like the entrance fee, then tough shit. Having people pay to play may decrease the amount of people that enter, but it increases the quality (because no noob is gonna pay 10 bucks to lose in the first round). It helps ESPORTS by funding better tournament quality next year. EU and KR tournaments have entry fees too, they just aren't as public about them afaik. If there was a EUSL, there would probably be an entry fee just like there is here. This actually doesn't have a cash prize
i think every player who makes it to the Ro16 gets a cash payout, so if you look at it that way if you take number 1 you are bound to get SOME cash
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On June 06 2011 11:16 pureability wrote:
single elimination? lol bracket fucked will be the theme for this tourney
Well double elimination would be about one million rounds, with so many players single elimination is the only reasonable option.
They should have had a number of tournaments TSL qualification style though, would have provided the league with better players.
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NASL is not looking at this like a regular tournament. It is a qualifier tournament for season 1 round of 16 and NASL season 2.
Unlike a regular open tournament I doubt they are looking to get the most people in as possible. They want semi-pros and pros who will be committed to playing everything out.
BTW, I also agree that a single (non double-elim) tournament for 8 of the 16 available season 2 spots is going to not get the best players in.
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The $10 is there for a simple reason. It ensures that the people who sign up actually attend the thing. In open tournaments players have a tendency to sign up and not show up. A pretty low entry fee (if you seriously cannot afford ten dollars and yet you still think you have a shot at winning this thing, something's wrong) makes sure that few people sign up on a lark.
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I don't get why some of you are getting so angry about a $10 entrance fee.
You may have a problem with it, but that's good. That's what they want. They don't want just some random low-masters nobody signing up.
They want serious pros signing up. And the majority of them have a team that would probably reimburse the $10 if the amount was actually an issue for the player (which it almost definately isn't). They also don't want 2000 people signing up and then having 80% of them flake.
Most tournaments have huge sponsors that cover costs. NASL doesn't. Until they do, I see no reason why they shouldn't attempt to recoup some of their costs as well. There are so many good reasons for them to have a small fee.
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On June 06 2011 09:12 Castrophy wrote:
Will this be streamed at all by NASL? Also will it be seeded? I'd hate to see two great players knock each other out in the first round.
It'll probably be seeded, and we will be broadcasting some of the games, and we'll have partners broadcasting!
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On June 06 2011 12:08 57 Corvette wrote:Wow, this will be epic. I am not signing up, as I am extremely out of practice in SC2 (plus I have no money, Plus thats my Exam week), but GL to anyone who enters. Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. They have a large cash prize for the winner, and with only a small amount of sponsors (if any), their prizemoney has to come from somewhere. If you don't like the entrance fee, then tough shit. Having people pay to play may decrease the amount of people that enter, but it increases the quality (because no noob is gonna pay 10 bucks to lose in the first round). It helps ESPORTS by funding better tournament quality next year. EU and KR tournaments have entry fees too, they just aren't as public about them afaik. If there was a EUSL, there would probably be an entry fee just like there is here.
I though the prize money of the first three seasons, the 400 000$, was already brought together by sponsors and deposited somewhere, waiting for the players to take it?
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On June 06 2011 15:39 Frozenserpent wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments run in many other sports. I haven't been in many competitive events where the entrance fee was free. In fact, look at fencing. It's like 15-25 bucks for a local tournament. There's no cash prizes. Just a relatively cheap medal. Spend more than a hundred bucks to register for a regional and you win? You don't get a single dime. Obviously events cost money to run. Some of them are lucky to have strong sponsorships. Some of them aren't so lucky and don't have as much sponsorship, meaning they have to recoup the expenses through entrance fees. Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions.
Seems like you're ignorant about the difference between sports and esports. I have been to the GSL when I was in Korea 2 months ago and I got free entrance plus free Coke.
Obviously events cost money to run, but charging more than a thousand players and only one of them has the potential to win 500 bucks is ridiculous. They've already charged $25 for crappy stream.
Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions.
And please use your brain! don't use other parts of your body to think.
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Now we know how the price will be funded... By open tournament fee ^^
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On June 06 2011 17:33 TDN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 15:39 Frozenserpent wrote:On June 06 2011 11:33 TDN wrote:
"registration is simple and easy, and is $10 per player"
I don't know what's wrong with NA tournaments, but every big tournament, players have to pay a certain amount of money to participate. How is this helping esport? This is more like greedy business than an esport competition.
Just look at EU and KR tournaments. Everything is free. GSL doesn't cost a penny to spectate or participate, and they even have free Coke drink and sometimes pizza.
This is just funny. It reminds me of those internet scam where you participate in a survey and at the end they ask for your credit card number. Seems like you're ignorant about how tournaments run in many other sports. I haven't been in many competitive events where the entrance fee was free. In fact, look at fencing. It's like 15-25 bucks for a local tournament. There's no cash prizes. Just a relatively cheap medal. Spend more than a hundred bucks to register for a regional and you win? You don't get a single dime. Obviously events cost money to run. Some of them are lucky to have strong sponsorships. Some of them aren't so lucky and don't have as much sponsorship, meaning they have to recoup the expenses through entrance fees. Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions. Seems like you're ignorant about the difference between sports and esports. I have been to the GSL when I was in Korea 2 months ago and I got free entrance plus free Coke. Obviously events cost money to run, but charging more than a thousand players and only one of them has the potential to win 500 bucks is ridiculous. They've already charged $25 for crappy stream. Please think about things a bit before jumping to conclusions. And please use your brain! don't use other parts of your body to think.
- but charging more than a thousand players
They only want serious semi-pros/pros. I highly doubt 1000 will enter, nor is that the goal.
- only one of them has the potential to win 500 bucks is ridiculous
Potential for 500? One of them gets 500 dollar travel stipend and enters a 16-man tournament for 100,000. Eight of them enter NASL season 2 and effectively enters a 51-man tournament for 100,000. If any person is not going to use the 500 travel stipend (not go to the live tournament), they shouldn't enter.
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Did anyone immediately do the math and think wtf?
They collect around 10 grand and only give out 1 grand... What kind of tournament tries to make money?
Make the tournament free for anyone that supported them this season...
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On June 06 2011 11:20 425kid wrote:
I'll lol if all the spots are won by koreans
i'll give a pre-emptive lol
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On June 06 2011 16:22 Node wrote:
The $10 is there for a simple reason. It ensures that the people who sign up actually attend the thing. In open tournaments players have a tendency to sign up and not show up. A pretty low entry fee (if you seriously cannot afford ten dollars and yet you still think you have a shot at winning this thing, something's wrong) makes sure that few people sign up on a lark.
If that were the case, NASL could return $10 if a player shows up, as they did with invited players. I'm not saying it is necessarily a bad idea, but that doesn't seem to be a reason why they are charging $10.
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On June 06 2011 18:25 jdelator wrote:
Did anyone immediately do the math and think wtf?
They collect around 10 grand and only give out 1 grand... What kind of tournament tries to make money?
Make the tournament free for anyone that supported them this season...
It can't be moneymaking as the main motivation. $10/player is nothing compared to the production costs and prize pool.
I do think it's to make sure people show up.
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