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Samhax
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
Even with doing all of this, now people are bitching about a $10 sign-up fee. Bunch of spoiled whiny bitches..... | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 07 2011 01:55 Pudge_172 wrote: I find it extremely funny that people bitched about there not being an OPEN TOURNAMENT to qualify for NASL. So NASL added an OPEN TOURNAMENT that puts one player into the final 16 offline tournament and qualifies 8 players total for NASL 2. Even with doing all of this, now people are bitching about a $10 sign-up fee. Bunch of spoiled whiny bitches..... Honestly, the Open Tournament qualifier has existed since the NASL was announced. I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised. | ||
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baeric
Germany649 Posts
Right in Incontrol's face  | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On June 06 2011 10:49 DoomsVille wrote: They're making the same mistake IPL did. A qualifier system where they allow 8 players from a single qualifier isn't going to get you the best players. Some players are going to luck their way in with easy bracket sections while others while get screwed with their section. 100% agree with this! IPL qualifiers are such a fail cause overall worse players get lucky and then totally fail in the actual season :/ If you want to have the most consistent and best players play, you have to do qualification like TSL! | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
 1) $10 is nothing to their target audience --> semi pros/pros that likely have a team that will pay for it if the player has a serious problem with it. 2) Their target audience really won't have a problem paying $10. Pokebunny, for example, sees the immediate benefit of not having to play 6 rounds of diamond scrubs like myself. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. You think Dimaga is going to care about the $10? You think his team (mTw) is going to say "no we won't reimburse it"? This isn't meant to be your typical open tournament full of scrubs. This is catering to the pro players and they won't have a problem with the fee. More importantly, a pro players time is worth money. Instead of playing through all the scrubs in the first few rounds, if someone like Dimaga was streaming for those few hours, he could easily recoup the $10. 3) So what if they're doing this to make money? This is a business, they have to make money somehow. And I don't know if you've noticed, but NASL has 0 commercials, no major sponsors and have to cast this in an actual studio (as opposed to something like EGMCS that can do it over skype with whatever equipment djwheat has in his basement). They have a bunch of full-time employees and more overhead than a typical tournament and they need to make some money at the end of the day to justify any of this. And with their outstanding prize pool, it must be difficult to turn a profit. 4) The qualifier won't be a bunch of scrubs. We will probably see players like Dimaga, DeMuslim, Nerchio, Kas, thorzain and maybe even some koreans compete. Scrubs? No. They are better than many of the players competing in the NASL right now. I have no problem letting one of them get a spot. It feels like some of you just can't stop hating on the NASL. They are producing quality games and charging very little for it. Quick summary of what you're paying to watch: 9 weeks, 5 groups, 5 matches per group = 225 BO3s 5 brackets, 3 matches per bracket in the qualifying playoffs = 15 BO3s 16 man LAN tournament, assuming single elimination (is it double?) = 15 BOx You're getting a bare minimum of 255 series of games between some of the best players in the world. And the LAN event is bound to be spectacular. All of this for a measly 25 bucks (literally 10 cents to watch each series). How the hell are their so many complainers? The LAN is going to be epic when you see nothing but players like IdrA, MC, Nada, July, White-ra etc. On June 07 2011 00:59 Pokebunny wrote: I'm happy that there's an entrance fee; means I'll just have to play a small amount of serious players rather than playing joe diamonds all day just to get half through the tournament. Exactly. Players that have a chance of getting through (like yourself) will not oppose the $10 fee. The only ones crying are people that have no chance anyways. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 07 2011 02:11 Ragoo wrote: 100% agree with this! IPL qualifiers are such a fail cause overall worse players get lucky and then totally fail in the actual season :/ If you want to have the most consistent and best players play, you have to do qualification like TSL! I think they should reserve some spots for invites only ... so every season they can invite the most recent winner of dreamhack, gsl, mlg etc. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On June 07 2011 02:11 Ragoo wrote: 100% agree with this! IPL qualifiers are such a fail cause overall worse players get lucky and then totally fail in the actual season :/ If you want to have the most consistent and best players play, you have to do qualification like TSL! This is the only issue I have with what NASL has done so far. But Xeris said they will likely have some sort of seeding system, so I won't say anything for now. | ||
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jdelator
United States89 Posts
On June 06 2011 18:50 Soleron wrote: It can't be moneymaking as the main motivation. $10/player is nothing compared to the production costs and prize pool. I do think it's to make sure people show up. The NASL name should be enough for people to show up. Since when does something have a 90% admin ovehead. You guys are being generous towards NASL. Look at MLG and ILP and tell me if you can see them do something similar. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 07 2011 00:44 two.watup wrote: And what happens if Painuser plays in the Open and wins? Can no one from NASL play? Can only the people outside of the top 20 play? If no one can play, aren't they being done a disservice by being penalized for participating in your league? If everyone can play, are there incentives for the top 20 not to? (do they already get a travel stipend?) If ouside of top 20 can play, was there any reason for them to play, or play their best, in their last 2-3 matches? Once players were eliminated from the playoffs / auto qual for next season, couldn't they have just peaced and waited for this tournament? Were outside the top 20 players informed that they could make playoffs from a single 10-11 round tournament after the league was over? Was anyone informed until now? Do you think players would have accepted their invitations if they knew that there would be arguably worse players fighting for a spot in the playoffs elsewhere? How does an Ro21 work? Read the rules. They answer your questions. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On June 07 2011 02:22 jdelator wrote: The NASL name should be enough for people to show up. Since when does something have a 90% admin ovehead. You guys are being generous towards NASL. Look at MLG and ILP and tell me if you can see them do something similar. There is a huge difference between NASL and IPL/MLG. MLG and IGN are organizations that have long been established. I'm sure IGN had some studio they could use to film everything. I doubt they had to start from scratch (unlike NASL). MLG also has tons of commercials and sponsors. These are completely different situations. And just take a look at the prize pools. Notice a difference? | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
Participating in NASL is huge, so much attention and games over 9 weeks (at least). And new players are just determined by one single-elimination tourney. Will be too random :/. | ||
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jdelator
United States89 Posts
On June 07 2011 02:29 DoomsVille wrote: There is a huge difference between NASL and IPL/MLG. MLG and IGN are organizations that have long been established. I'm sure IGN had some studio they could use to film everything. I doubt they had to start from scratch (unlike NASL). MLG also has tons of commercials and sponsors. These are completely different situations. And just take a look at the prize pools. Notice a difference? Of course there is a difference between NASL and MLG/IPL. That was entirely my point. | ||
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Complete
United States1864 Posts
On June 06 2011 19:36 Bobster wrote: 15 players already signed up! ... lol I guessed yesterday when I saw the $10 that maybe 64 people would sign up for this | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On June 06 2011 12:08 57 Corvette wrote: Wow, this will be epic. I am not signing up, as I am extremely out of practice in SC2 (plus I have no money, Plus thats my Exam week), but GL to anyone who enters. They have a large cash prize for the winner, and with only a small amount of sponsors (if any), their prizemoney has to come from somewhere. If you don't like the entrance fee, then tough shit. Having people pay to play may decrease the amount of people that enter, but it increases the quality (because no noob is gonna pay 10 bucks to lose in the first round). It helps ESPORTS by funding better tournament quality next year. EU and KR tournaments have entry fees too, they just aren't as public about them afaik. If there was a EUSL, there would probably be an entry fee just like there is here. I thought thats what the investors and HQ passes and advertisements were for? GSL had a huge prize pool the very first time with $0 entrance fee. On June 07 2011 01:55 Pudge_172 wrote: I find it extremely funny that people bitched about there not being an OPEN TOURNAMENT to qualify for NASL. So NASL added an OPEN TOURNAMENT that puts one player into the final 16 offline tournament and qualifies 8 players total for NASL 2. Even with doing all of this, now people are bitching about a $10 sign-up fee. Bunch of spoiled whiny bitches..... Ever sine the beginning of the pool play there was an open bracket. I don't know when people were complaining there wasn't one, maybe it was before that? $10 isn't much though, and I think that anyone relatively confident in their skills will still sign up despite the entrance fee. There are enough other tournaments that are completely free for people to debut in, so if we still haven't heard of someone it's very unlikely their good enough to get through the bracket anyway. | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On June 07 2011 00:59 Pokebunny wrote: I'm happy that there's an entrance fee; means I'll just have to play a small amount of serious players rather than playing joe diamonds all day just to get half through the tournament. Joe Diamonds can still afford $10 though *sad face* I just spent $10 worth of doughnuts from Krispy Kreme to give to coworkers because II was late to work lol. I feel the tournament competition levels will still be good though. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
meh, not sure i like that :| | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
If you have even a remote chance of making it into the NASL, $10 is nothing. If you don't have a remote chance of making it into the NASL, then either pay the $10 to support NASL and have a chance to get stomped by a pro, or stop wasting everyone's time. You bring nothing to the table other than being another 20 minute annoyance for someone who is actually trying to qualify. | ||
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